Photographer
M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12117
Tampa, Florida, US
DougBPhoto wrote:
2) Yes, of course you can put up any photos you want, especially if you want to get hired for nudes, it would be wise to post full nudes. Call me crazy, but I think she's suggesting taking HER OWN nude photos and posting them so photographers won't "need" to take their own nude shots of her...that they could then keep.
There's so many things wrong with that statement I don't remotely know where to begin.
Photographer
DougBPhoto
Posts: 39248
Portland, Oregon, US
M Pandolfo Photography wrote:
Call me crazy, but I think she's suggesting taking HER OWN nude photos and posting them so photographers won't "need" to take their own nude shots of her...that they could then keep.
There's so many things wrong with that statement I don't remotely know where to begin. Until she has professional photographs that show her accurately, what other choice does she have?
Obviously she can, and should trade with a professional so she can have nude photos that are professional and give a fair visual representation of what photographers who might wish to hire her can expect, BUT, until that happens, and for the person who agrees to do that, how the heck do they know what to expect?
IF you're suggesting that she thinks that she's going to get paid to pose for nude photos that the photographers never get to keep, that's a totally different truckload of cuckoocrazy.
Model
MelissaAnn
Posts: 3971
Seattle, Washington, US
DougBPhoto wrote:
Until she has professional photographs that show her accurately, what other choice does she have?
Obviously she can, and should trade with a professional so she can have nude photos that are professional and give a fair visual representation of what photographers who might wish to hire her can expect, BUT, until that happens, and for the person who agrees to do that, how the heck do they know what to expect?
IF you're suggesting that she thinks that she's going to get paid to pose for nude photos that the photographers never get to keep, that's a totally different truckload of cuckoocrazy. OMG, I'm putting you on my "creepy list." 
Photographer
DougBPhoto
Posts: 39248
Portland, Oregon, US
Model
Figuremodel001
Posts: 342
Chicago, Illinois, US
Autumn Keopualani White wrote:
OBVIOUSLY I need to reword this question.
1) How do I guarantee my safety while doing nude shoots in private places without an escort?
2) Can I just put up some nude photos of myself so that the photographer can see my body so I don't have to let them take their own pictures of me that they could keep without my permission?
Once again, can i please have some honest answers. Please keep your sarcasm and insults to yourself. 1, References and using your head. If not comfortable, don't do it.
2. Sure but you may miss out on some jobs. That said, if you post or send photos of yourself, recognize that you have lost control of them and they may well turn up anywhere. It's the internet world.
Model
Figuremodel001
Posts: 342
Chicago, Illinois, US
Autumn Keopualani White wrote:
Also i have another question:
How can i guarantee my safety when modeling nude in a private place without an escort?
Am i just supposed to blindly trust them? References wouldn't work... they could have a friend or anybody pretend that they are someone that worked with them.
Any GOOD suggestions? References can be somebody you have heard of. Galleries published work, even MM.
Photographer
glumpy
Posts: 516
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
Autumn Keopualani White wrote:
OBVIOUSLY I need to reword this question.
1) How do I guarantee my safety while doing nude shoots in private places without an escort? Take selfies in your bedroom.
2) Can I just put up some nude photos of myself so that the photographer can see my body so I don't have to let them take their own pictures of me that they could keep without my permission? I suppose you could.
Might solve you insecurity with the test shoots but you are going to be right back at Square one when they want to shoot you proper after seeing said pics.
Seems to me the best thing for you to do would be to give the modeling away till you work a few of your own issues out and take up another pastime.
Photographer
Jason Haven
Posts: 38381
Washington, District of Columbia, US
Can I sign up to be on the creepy list?
Model
MelissaAnn
Posts: 3971
Seattle, Washington, US
ASYLUM - Photo wrote:
Can I sign up to be on the creepy list? You're already at the top of the list! 
Photographer
Jason Haven
Posts: 38381
Washington, District of Columbia, US
MelissaAnn wrote:
You're already at the top of the list! I like being on top. 
Model
MelissaAnn
Posts: 3971
Seattle, Washington, US
ASYLUM - Photo wrote:
I like being on top. That's good information for everyone here to know. 
Photographer
DougBPhoto
Posts: 39248
Portland, Oregon, US
Model
Elizabeta Rosandic
Posts: 953
Santa Fe, New Mexico, US
Matt Knowles wrote:
Yes it is. She said you could judge her breasts by the photos she has posted in her portfolio. You can't. Not unless your particular fetish is yellow flowers. He wasn't just talking about her breasts. He was talking about "cute nipples", in general. Why someone would spend that much time thinking about what constitutes a nipple as "cute" when dealing with models baffles me.
Photographer
Mark Salo
Posts: 11727
Olney, Maryland, US
Elizabeta Rosandic wrote:
...Why someone would spend that much time thinking about what constitutes a nipple as "cute" when dealing with models baffles me. Male or female nipples? It makes a difference.
Photographer
Aaron Pawlak
Posts: 2850
New York, New York, US
Autumn Keopualani White wrote:
OBVIOUSLY I need to reword this question.
1) How do I guarantee my safety while doing nude shoots in private places without an llama herder?
2) Can I just put up some nude photos of myself so that the photographer can see my body so I don't have to let them take their own pictures of me that they could keep without my permission?
Once again, can i please have some honest answers. Please keep your sarcasm and insults to yourself. 1) mace
2) huh?
Photographer
nyk fury
Posts: 2976
Port Townsend, Washington, US
Autumn Keopualani White wrote:
Can I just put up some nude photos of myself so that the photographer can see my body so I don't have to let them take their own pictures of me that they could keep without my permission? huh? photographers taking pictures of models and keeping them? that is crazy. i always immediately hand over my cards to the model.
Photographer
Aaron Pawlak
Posts: 2850
New York, New York, US
M Pandolfo Photography wrote:
Call me crazy, but I think she's suggesting taking HER OWN nude photos and posting them so photographers won't "need" to take their own nude shots of her...that they could then keep.
There's so many things wrong with that statement I don't remotely know where to begin. Oh. I didn't even get what she was saying.
Model
Elizabeta Rosandic
Posts: 953
Santa Fe, New Mexico, US
Mark Salo wrote:
Male or female nipples? It makes a difference. IMO, it only makes a difference if you put a disproportional amount of energy in ogling at a model's nipples.
Model
Elizabeta Rosandic
Posts: 953
Santa Fe, New Mexico, US
AaronPawlak wrote:
1) mace And when shooting nude where, exactly, is a model supposed to carry her mace?
Photographer
Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 33355
Dearborn, Michigan, US
Elizabeta Rosandic wrote:
And when shooting nude where, exactly, is a model supposed to carry her mace? I have no idea.
Photographer
kitty_empire
Posts: 864
Brighton, England, United Kingdom
John Jebbia wrote:
Maybe he wanted to make sure your nipples weren't yellow and flower shaped. I LOLed
Photographer
Matt Knowles
Posts: 3592
Ferndale, California, US
Elizabeta Rosandic wrote:
He wasn't just talking about her breasts. He was talking about "cute nipples", in general. Why someone would spend that much time thinking about what constitutes a nipple as "cute" when dealing with models baffles me. You're not a guy, but I still don't understand why the concept is so hard to grasp. Some guys like blondes, some like brunettes, and some go for redheads.
Some guys like big fake boobs, other guys prefer natural breasts.
Some guys like their models rail thin, others prefer the athletic look, or even plump.
If I'm choosing a model for a nude project, I'm going to pick someone who is attractive to me. That means I'm going to look at her face, her hair, her waist, her breasts, her butt, and yes, even her nipples.
Got it?
Photographer
B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25319
Bath, England, United Kingdom
Elizabeta Rosandic wrote:
He was talking about "cute nipples", in general. Why someone would spend that much time thinking about what constitutes a nipple as "cute" when dealing with models baffles me. I think the point was that until you've seen what lies beneath you don't know what kind of nasty surprises might be in store.
Not all breasts or nipples are created equal and clearly some will be less or more appealing to a particular photographer than others, just like any other component part of a model's look. If somebody is considering paying a model to shoot nudes then it makes sense to know there are no nasty surprises in store.
Forearmed is forewarned, and if something nasty happened to be lurking beneath those pasties then it would be a lot easier to decline the offer at the negotiation stage than later, in the studio.
How awkward/embarrassing would it be (for both parties) for the photographer to have to call off the shoot as soon as the model disrobed because there was something unexpected revealed that he really didn't want to waste his money paying to take photos of??!! 
Ciao
Stefano
www.stefanobrunesci.com
Photographer
Patrick Walberg
Posts: 45198
San Juan Bautista, California, US
When I was a kid, I liked creepy crawlers. Does that count? Or is this some kind of exclusive club?
Photographer
Mortonovich
Posts: 6209
San Diego, California, US
Photographer
Jason Haven
Posts: 38381
Washington, District of Columbia, US
Elizabeta Rosandic wrote:
And when shooting nude where, exactly, is a model supposed to carry her mace? Welp.
I just had an awkward visualization.
Photographer
Edge of the Moon
Posts: 431
New York, New York, US
Elizabeta Rosandic wrote:
And when shooting nude where, exactly, is a model supposed to carry her mace? ASYLUM - Photo wrote:
Welp.
I just had an awkward visualization. I see a couple of possibilities.
Photographer
Mirrored Beauty
Posts: 16
Hong Kong, Hong Kong, China
ASYLUM - Photo wrote:
Welp.
I just had an awkward visualization. I'm glad you said it. We were all thinking it, but as the new guy, I can't say it...
Model
Caitin Bre
Posts: 2687
Apache Junction, Arizona, US
John Jebbia wrote:
Report what? He simply offered something you weren't interested in. Based on your story.
Maybe he wanted to make sure your nipples weren't yellow and flower shaped. Or that he catches you picking your nose at a shoot and captures it then posts it as his avatar.
Model
Caitin Bre
Posts: 2687
Apache Junction, Arizona, US
ChrisWalburnPhotography wrote:
You could always just shoot with gay photographers like me. Uh Hum! I have heard this before then it turned out I was the 1st woman he was ever interested in.
Model
Caitin Bre
Posts: 2687
Apache Junction, Arizona, US
Elizabeta Rosandic wrote:
And when shooting nude where, exactly, is a model supposed to carry her mace? I have always wondered that myself.
I guess we could all go get implants and be like a skunk bend over and let m have it. A new in your face kinda thing.
Model
The Original Sin
Posts: 13899
Louisville, Kentucky, US
Elizabeta Rosandic wrote:
And when shooting nude where, exactly, is a model supposed to carry her mace? Please, please, PLEASE tell me this is a joke!!!!
Model
Elizabeta Rosandic
Posts: 953
Santa Fe, New Mexico, US
Matt Knowles wrote:
You're not a guy, but I still don't understand why the concept is so hard to grasp. Some guys like blondes, some like brunettes, and some go for redheads.
Some guys like big fake boobs, other guys prefer natural breasts.
Some guys like their models rail thin, others prefer the athletic look, or even plump.
If I'm choosing a model for a nude project, I'm going to pick someone who is attractive to me. That means I'm going to look at her face, her hair, her waist, her breasts, her butt, and yes, even her nipples.
Got it? And some people don't equate "good art" with what sexually arouses them.
And frankly, I don't see what my gender has to do with anything.
Model
Elizabeta Rosandic
Posts: 953
Santa Fe, New Mexico, US
-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:
I think the point was that until you've seen what lies beneath you don't know what kind of nasty surprises might be in store.
Not all breasts or nipples are created equal and clearly some will be less or more appealing to a particular photographer than others, just like any other component part of a model's look. If somebody is considering paying a model to shoot nudes then it makes sense to know there are no nasty surprises in store.
Forearmed is forewarned, and if something nasty happened to be lurking beneath those pasties then it would be a lot easier to decline the offer at the negotiation stage than later, in the studio.
How awkward/embarrassing would it be (for both parties) for the photographer to have to call off the shoot as soon as the model disrobed because there was something unexpected revealed that he really didn't want to waste his money paying to take photos of??!!
Ciao
Stefano
www.stefanobrunesci.com Your posts are great
I understand the idea of knowing what a model looks like before photographing her. I just like calling out guys who take photos with their penises.
Photographer
Justin Matthews
Posts: 1546
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Elizabeta Rosandic wrote:
Your posts are great
I understand the idea of knowing what a model looks like before photographing her. I just like calling out guys who take photos with their penises. Oh god, now I can't get that visual out of my head. :-)
It brings a whole new definition to flash photography.
Photographer
Matt Knowles
Posts: 3592
Ferndale, California, US
Elizabeta Rosandic wrote:
And some people don't equate "good art" with what sexually arouses them.
And frankly, I don't see what my gender has to do with anything. Did I ever say anything about being sexually aroused? Damn you read a lot into everything.
Photographer
gone for good
Posts: 184
Andover, England, United Kingdom
Asking a model to expose herself for no compensation..... What is a trade shoot but compensation! I see models who lack quality nudes or even clothed images in their port demanding pay to pose nude... More power to them... But they seem to forget that the purpose of a trade if for each party to gain access to the skills or beauty of the other without pay. If a model wants to be paired then they should not expect images, unless they went to buy them off the photog.
Why disregard the hours of training and experience not to mention the thousands of dollars of equipment brought to the shoot, all to make the imperfect models body look perfect. Plus post production time.... This is all ignored and discounted because the model has a pair of boobs and so now cash must be paid!
If the model has a port to back up the boobs and/or the photog wants to pay they go for it. Otherwise, my thoughts are novice models need to pay or gain experience via trade. If they want to be nude models then pose nude for trade too.
Model
Elizabeta Rosandic
Posts: 953
Santa Fe, New Mexico, US
Matt Knowles wrote:
Did I ever say anything about being sexually aroused? Damn you read a lot into everything. Ok, so based on your criteria for an "attractive" model, would you book a male model to shoot?
And seriously, explain the gender thing to me, because I'd really like to know how being a woman inhibits me from grasping your "concepts".
Model
Elizabeta Rosandic
Posts: 953
Santa Fe, New Mexico, US
Justin Matthews wrote:
It brings a whole new definition to flash photography. LOL!
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