Jerry Nemeth wrote:

I wonder why you say that. 

it's a joke (once you go black...). I have nothing against shorter models, or taller models, or midgets or giants. shoot whoever you want to shoot. seriously.

Anna Adrielle wrote:

it's a joke (once you go black...). I have nothing against shorter models, or taller models, or midgets or giants. shoot whoever you want to shoot. seriously.

I know.

Danielle Reid wrote:
I'm not worried about fashion. I'm 6 inches too short, my hair is the wrong color, and my skin is too dark. Fashion can kiss my chocolate booty haha.

I'm trying to get into alt & glamour mainly and whatever else falls at my feet.

If you look at the people in gallery photography, like the MET, MoMA, or something along those lines - not local galleries - very few of them look like today's fashion models.  And I don't just mean old paintings; contemporary photography is like that too.  Obviously guys like Avedon and Penn shot skinny chicks, but they came from a fashion background.  Even a lot of Newton's models would be too big to fit into modern designers' clothes.  Not by much, but they would be.

If you're looking at local galleries, even in a big city, then you're going to see a lot of skinny chicks.  There are a lot of photographers out there that think that the quality of the work is proportional to how 'perfect' the model is.  Most of the people in MoMA, etc. think that the quality of the work is proportional to how 'realistic' the model is.

If I were to shoot you, the only thing that would turn me off would be your hair colour.  Personal preference, but I don't like bright, unnatural colours.  Your body would at no point be a consideration.  Actually, I think you look quite good.  Your legs are gorgeous!

Danielle Reid wrote:
I've been trying to lose 10 pounds for 1.5 years now. Nothing is working.

If you go to the gym every day, then I'm not surprised.  Everybody knows the old adage of muscle weighing more than fat, but it seems like nobody actually understands what that means.  I can only speak for myself and my own body, but let me tell you what that means for me.

I used to work out almost every week day after work.  About two years ago I started graduate school, but didn't quit working.  I tried to keep going to the gym, but I just can't.  I mean I can make it and everything, but I'm worthless when I'm there, and I don't get enough sleep anymore, so I'm incredibly sore for a week after just one day working out.  Like, 'Holy shit, I should see a doctor,' sore.

I've gone up a pant size.  My ass has gotten bigger too, so I can't wear any pants that are even a little tight, even in my new size.  I don't have a full-on beer belly, but I'm definitely a lot squishier than I was - I can barely feel my abs, and before they were right there.  But here's the weird thing:  I now weigh somewhere between ten and fifteen pounds less than I did when I was thinner.

Like I said, everyone's mileage varies.  But the point is that you can't use weight to determine body shape.  All those BMI charts are pure bullshit.  I'm 6', and in my best shape I had a 32" waist, and I've never had muscles big enough that you could see them under a sweater.  According to the BMI chart, I was overweight.  Now I'm the "perfect" weight, and I'd need to be 130 pounds before I had to worry about being too thin.  Can you imagine what a 130 pound 6 foot guy would look like?!

So yeah, pay no attention at all to what you weigh.  The only time it has any bearing on anything it all is if you're not working out at all, or if you're trying to qualify for something with weight classes.

Plus you'd probably lose those great legs if you lost too much weight

udor wrote:
I think you may have fallen victim to the American culture of overweight = healthy, and slender and fit means anorexic.

Anorexia is a mental disease, my friend a clinical psychiatrist treats those kind of patients and it is a far cry from the societal pressure to lose weight.

Different pairs of shoes.

This is also true.  Anorexia is a mental disease.  People that suffer from it refuse food, or are often even afraid of eating, because they think everyone is judging them.  Not always just on their figure either - some people are afraid to be seen eating, because they're worried that everyone is going to think they're a fat cow, shoveling food into their craw.

That's not the same as people that purposely starve themselves, work out compulsively, etc.  That might be a different illness, but I have a hard time believing that too many anorexic people are going to have the energy to run on a treadmill for more than a few minutes.

Danielle Reid wrote:
Pretty much what the title says. Not industry standards, but MM photographer standards: What makes you say "She has a great body"?

Someone that is happy with themselves. MM photographers want thin-to-curvy-to-biggergirls. Maybe where you are they want a certain size but I've seen a lot of portfolios and it all varies with the size.

* I wouldn't do nudes if your getting that depressed about the comments, js.

* Oh because of your state of mind could be a factor of why your not losing weight. My friend couldn't lose weight (she's like a size 8-10) even though everyone said she looks great but ya she was in a negative state of mind until we gave her a wardrobe make over. It helped that she stretched out in height and lost five pounds off her stomach by walking and eating healthy but that's when she's happy. The weight only goes back on her stomach when she's depressed. Could be the same for you? I don't know.

Zack Zoll wrote:
This is also true.  Anorexia is a mental disease.  People that suffer from it refuse food, or are often even afraid of eating, because they think everyone is judging them.  Not always just on their figure either - some people are afraid to be seen eating, because they're worried that everyone is going to think they're a fat cow, shoveling food into their craw.

That's not the same as people that purposely starve themselves, work out compulsively, etc.  That might be a different illness, but I have a hard time believing that too many anorexic people are going to have the energy to run on a treadmill for more than a few minutes.

anorexia is more about control. and excessively working is most definitely one of the symptoms that can manifest, and it happens a lot more than you apparantly think.

GQ The Couture Model wrote:
One word proportions.

Proportion, tone, shape...

There are lots of factors and lots of body types that can be "great" but everything needs to fit together right and just... work.



Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

Danielle Reid wrote:
Nudes pay money, no one will hire a 5'2" girl if she isn't naked...at least not from this site. I'm just tired of being told to lose weight. I'm trying to lose weight.

And no muscle doesn't weigh more than fat, 1 pound of muscle is still the same as 1 pound of fat. It's just if you have more muscle the scale may say you weigh more. Something about science and math and I hate both of those subjects (one reason I gave up being a nurse)

of course they weigh the same. a pound is a pound. they don't have the same volume though.


if you're that determined on making money on this site, and you have no problem being naked... then why not venture into nude (glamour) modeling? your portfolio is leaning in that direction anyway, and there's definitely money in that niche on this website!

Anna Adrielle wrote:

anorexia is more about control. and excessively working is most definitely one of the symptoms that can manifest, and it happens a lot more than you apparantly think.

Probably.  Thankfully, I haven't had any real experience with the issue.

nyk fury wrote:
it's interesting how many members on MM do not respond to very many of the replies/queries on the threads they initiate themselves.

Is that a hit at me?

I respond to responses I have a response for (get it?) if I responded to every little thing it'll be spammed with "Yes" "I agree" "Haha" or "Umm ok?"

Anna Adrielle wrote:
of course they weigh the same. a pound is a pound. they don't have the same volume though.


if you're that determined on making money on this site, and you have no problem being naked... then why not venture into nude (glamour) llamaing? your portfolio is leaning in that direction anyway, and there's definitely money in that niche on this website!

I'm working myway into glamour nudes. I need to work on poses that hide my belly. Sucking it in makes me look like im holding my last breath. Also my sexy face looks more pissed off on camera for some reason.

Zack Zoll wrote:
That's not the same as people that purposely starve themselves, work out compulsively, etc.  That might be a different illness, but I have a hard time believing that too many anorexic people are going to have the energy to run on a treadmill for more than a few minutes.

You would be surprised at how much they can manage on little to nothing. Compulsive exercise is often a symptom of an eating disorder.

http://www.something-fishy.org/whatarethey/exercise.php

Danielle Reid wrote:
I respond to responses I have a response for (get it?) if I responded to every little thing it'll be spammed with "Yes" "I agree" "Haha" or "Umm ok?"

you start up a topic, take responsibility for it. i asked you a question, you didn't answer. maybe you are attention deficit like most kids these days. if so, cure yourself.

Danielle Reid wrote:
Pretty much what the title says. Not industry standards, but MM photographer standards: What makes you say "She has a great body"?

This does  .  .  . 



Nah, really depends on what the images' intent is  .  .  .  an art nude "great body" is probably not going to work for a high fashion "great body" situation  .  .  .  and, vice versa  .  .  .

SOS

nyk fury wrote:

you start up a topic, take responsibility for it. i asked you a question, you didn't answer. maybe you are attention deficit like most kids these days. if so, cure yourself.

wow someone needs a hug

Danielle Reid wrote:

I'm working myway into glamour nudes. I need to work on poses that hide my belly. Sucking it in makes me look like im holding my last breath. Also my sexy face looks more pissed off on camera for some reason.

there's a way to suck in your gut without looking like you're holding your breath. Maybe something like yoga would be good for you! To help teach how you can put tension in your body (aka sucking in the gut), but also to keep breathing and stay relaxed overall. sexy face is also something that can be worked on.

What you need isn't dieting or workout. What you need is practise. Learning to control your body, your face, and the connection between the 2 takes time and skill. Focus on developing that sill, and stop wasting your energy and time on the wrong things!

sospix wrote:

This does  .  .  . 



Nah, really depends on what the images' intent is  .  .  .  an art nude "great body" is probably not going to work for a high fashion "great body" situation  .  .  .  and, vice versa  .  .  .

SOS

That is one sexy car.

I understand what you mean though, genre seems to play a role in "great body"

Danielle Reid wrote:
Yeah perhaps your right. I just got home from my first co-ed shoot with a male model I've only talked to briefly over emails. I made mention that my belly pokes out and the photographer said after the shoot I was doing a good job of hiding it while keeping it sexy. Maybe I was relaxed because I was too busy laughing at the other model, or I actually felt in my comfort zone. Either way I'll work on it more and possibly take up yoga

that's good. I would really focus on having fun and relaxing, for now. And while I don't want to advocate a model attitude of "oh, the photographer can photoshop that!" it is the case that a belly sticking out is very easy to edit in a lot of cases. A cramped up pose and an uncomfortable looking angryface however, isn't! Try working with the same photographer a couple of times, now that you're still starting out. it will give you a chance to practise!

nyk fury wrote:

you start up a topic, take responsibility for it. i asked you a question, you didn't answer. maybe you are attention deficit like most kids these days. if so, cure yourself.

go take a nap dear

I never saw your question, I apologize for being a stupid kid with ADD.

amb300 wrote:

I'd cut back on working before I'd cut back on working out. Being healthy is about the most important thing you can do for yourself.

Not sure what you are studying in graduate school, but I am in undergraduate, and I don't have any time to work. I could probably do something part time, but school is more important.

That's great in theory, but in reality it doesn't work for most of the population.

Eating crap is cheap. Eating well often costs a little more. Working makes money. Working out does not. While it's easy to say school and health are more important, that only works if you can afford to eat, and without working that usually doesn't pan out.

Danielle Reid wrote:
Sucking my stomach in makes me look uncomfortable in my photos

Me too lol.   I'm a belly breather, have been since I was a baby and never switched over to chest breathing.  So my normal posture is to puff my belly out like kids do hahahaha.  So when modeling I have to actually think about my breathing and sucking in.  It's hard work!   

sospix wrote:

This does  .  .  . 



Nah, really depends on what the images' intent is  .  .  .  an art nude "great body" is probably not going to work for a high fashion "great body" situation  .  .  .  and, vice versa  .  .  .

SOS

Wow!!!  That's the Ferris Bueller car!   I want to pet it omgggggggg

Big A-Larger Than Life wrote:

Me too lol.   I'm a belly breather, have been since I was a baby and never switched over to chest breathing.  So my normal posture is to puff my belly out like kids do hahahaha.  So when modeling I have to actually think about my breathing and sucking in.  It's hard work!   

Haha I think I may be a belly breather, I never actually thought about it but it may be true.

Danielle Reid wrote:
go take a nap dear

I never saw your question, I apologize for being a stupid kid with ADD.

maybe it was a stupid question. forget the nap: time for some kraken.

Select Models wrote:
Pretty hard to find fault with this one...

Probably one of the finest examples yet. Absolutely gorgeous.

GQ The Couture Model wrote:
One word proportions.

+1