UltimateAppeal wrote:
With just the 4 images in your portfolio, and the 2 credited images it is difficult to tell. I generally look to see how versatile a model is in her looks. Can she pose fluidly. These things show experience levels.

You also have to consider your area, and what the market bears in that area. Nude rates depend alot on style and length of shoot. What is it for? Website content, shooting just to gain more experience, a publication ... there are way to many factors to consider.

BTW, welcome to MM.

Agreed + 

Samantha Barley wrote:
I'm unsure what I should be charging per hour.
I do partial nudes and full nudes.

thanks.

First, all of the answers you've gotten are pretty good.

Second, think about what types of shoots you want to do (and I don't just mean nudes).  For instance, most models on MM will tell you that they make most of their money posing for GWCs.  GWCs are likely to pay higher rates (b/c it's a chance to see a NAKED WOMAN).  But you also need to be much more flexible and less choosy in what you shoot. An experienced photographer is less likely to pay a higher fee for an inexperienced model.  For instance, no insult intended but I don't pay new or inexperienced models to pose for me.  Are you just looking to get money from the shoots or do you also want a chance to shoot some stuff you're interested in (or get to keep prints) or upgrade your portfolio so you can get higher fees?

As a general rule, most professional photographers will tell you that if they hire you for a shoot, they don't feel they are under any obligation to provide you with prints afterwards…if they do it's a gift.  Which means if you start out demanding pay, you're likely to get GWC work (and prints but probably not an upgrade of your portfolio).  You may also distinguish in rates with the type of work (art nudes vs. soft-core porn)…some models do, some models don't.

Your best way to get good gigs is to have a good portfolio and some credible references.  And that is going to come from working with some good photographers.  So start by doing TF first, build up your port, then look at paying.

Ed

Amanda Padilla wrote:
free

I was going to say this but I didn't want to get hung upside down and castrated .

afplcc wrote:

First, all of the answers you've gotten are pretty good.

Second, think about what types of shoots you want to do (and I don't just mean nudes).  For instance, most models on MM will tell you that they make most of their money posing for GWCs.  GWCs are likely to pay higher rates (b/c it's a chance to see a NAKED WOMAN).  But you also need to be much more flexible and less choosy in what you shoot. An experienced photographer is less likely to pay a higher fee for an inexperienced model.  For instance, no insult intended but I don't pay new or inexperienced models to pose for me.  Are you just looking to get money from the shoots or do you also want a chance to shoot some stuff you're interested in (or get to keep prints) or upgrade your portfolio so you can get higher fees?

As a general rule, most professional photographers will tell you that if they hire you for a shoot, they don't feel they are under any obligation to provide you with prints afterwards…if they do it's a gift.  Which means if you start out demanding pay, you're likely to get GWC work (and prints but probably not an upgrade of your portfolio).  You may also distinguish in rates with the type of work (art nudes vs. soft-core porn)…some models do, some models don't.

Your best way to get good gigs is to have a good portfolio and some credible references.  And that is going to come from working with some good photographers.  So start by doing TF first, build up your port, then look at paying.

Ed

+1000

J O H N  A L L A N wrote:
As a beginner, you would be better served by concentrating on producing some great images which market you well. Leave the concerns of what to charge until you're capable of delivering on that level.

+1

If you start charging for nudes before you have a decent portfolio then you run the risk of getting stuck in a catch-22 loop of shooting only with GWCs who just want to see you naked and won't give you images you can use to encourage better people to work with you.



Just my $0.02

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Stefano
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afplcc wrote:

First, all of the answers you've gotten are pretty good.

Second, think about what types of shoots you want to do (and I don't just mean nudes).  For instance, most models on MM will tell you that they make most of their money posing for GWCs.  GWCs are likely to pay higher rates (b/c it's a chance to see a NAKED WOMAN).  But you also need to be much more flexible and less choosy in what you shoot. An experienced photographer is less likely to pay a higher fee for an inexperienced model.  For instance, no insult intended but I don't pay new or inexperienced models to pose for me.  Are you just looking to get money from the shoots or do you also want a chance to shoot some stuff you're interested in (or get to keep prints) or upgrade your portfolio so you can get higher fees?

As a general rule, most professional photographers will tell you that if they hire you for a shoot, they don't feel they are under any obligation to provide you with prints afterwards…if they do it's a gift.  Which means if you start out demanding pay, you're likely to get GWC work (and prints but probably not an upgrade of your portfolio).  You may also distinguish in rates with the type of work (art nudes vs. soft-core porn)…some models do, some models don't.

Your best way to get good gigs is to have a good portfolio and some credible references.  And that is going to come from working with some good photographers.  So start by doing TF first, build up your port, then look at paying.

Ed

Yup.

Modeling isn't a "get rich quick" trick.
In order to get well paid jobs, you need the experience.

NicoleNudes wrote:

Yup.

Modeling isn't a "get rich quick" trick.
In order to get well paid jobs, you need the experience.

Not true.     All you need is the right stats/look

Images by MR wrote:

Not true.     All you need is the right stats/look

Not true.  I wouldn't book her.  There are other models.  Nicole is right!

Schlake wrote:
Where I live, New Mexico, porn seems to start at $50 an hour.  I've had a lot of models claim they get $100 or $150 an hour without nudity, though.  The only girls I know who actually get that much money are doing porn, and they work for a lot less when it's not porn they are shooting.

I offer $30 an hour for athletic nudity (actually doing athletics, not just being fit looking).  That is more money than I make at my job "per hour" (but less than my "rate" including benefits) and it doesn't seem unreasonable at all.

I have paid $100 an hour for an experienced nude model.

Amanda Padilla wrote:
free

Generous, I think the OP needs to hire a decent photographer.

Images by MR wrote:

Not true.     All you need is the right stats/look

For an agency sure, for freelance? Not so much.

Schlake wrote:
Where I live, New Mexico, porn seems to start at $50 an hour.  I've had a lot of models claim they get $100 or $150 an hour without nudity, though.  The only girls I know who actually get that much money are doing porn, and they work for a lot less when it's not porn they are shooting.

I offer $30 an hour for athletic nudity (actually doing athletics, not just being fit looking).  That is more money than I make at my job "per hour" (but less than my "rate" including benefits) and it doesn't seem unreasonable at all.

A few years ago, an experienced nude model, who was tall, lean and full-breasted could make $100/hour. I was making $75/hr consistently in 2011 for figure nudes/art photography, glamour, and up to$120/hr for light fetish content (stuff like clothed muscle worship, non-explicit). I dropped out for two years to pursue other interests, and found the going rate for nude models much reduced when I resumed shooting earlier this year. It seems to be approximately half these days what it was only a few years ago.

Caitin Bre wrote:
125 nude to 150 erotic artistic pr hr with 2 hr min. 400 half day 800 full day plus travel and expenses.

You can always negotiate.

I have paid $120 only to a nude model with a fantastic look!

Samantha Barley wrote:
I'm unsure what I should be charging per hour.
I do partial nudes and full nudes.

thanks.

You need to decide whether you are aiming at GWCs or more serious photographers.

With GWCs, what you can charge is inversely proportional to their skill with a camera, but you will get little or nothing that you can use to improve your portfolio.  For this market, $50 an hour is easily achievable, and some models tell me (and I believe they are bring truthful) that they get $500 for half a day from some of their clients.

If you want to work with photographers with the skill to make you make you look good and to give you the coaching that you may need, TF is a more realistic expectation (although I often pay students a nominal amount simply because I know what it is like to be studying and poor).  This will be a better deal than the GWC deal because the cash value of the photos will be worth substantially more than what the GWC's pay.

Caitin Bre wrote:
125 nude to 150 erotic artistic pr hr with 2 hr min. 400 half day 800 full day plus travel and expenses.

You can always negotiate.

To build your port up do part pay with part trade a few times with someone good. If you get a chance to work with someone great work out a good trade for 3 or 4 looks.

So you are suggesting she charge more that Jessica Vaugn or some other models with years of expiernce, a great look, and who have been in Playboy?  Even better pay and images?

I think it would be more helpful to give suggestions that won't get the OP ignored or worse; something based in reality would be good.

Koryn Locke wrote:

A few years ago, an experienced nude model, who was tall, lean and full-breasted could make $100/hour. I was making $75/hr consistently in 2011 for figure nudes/art photography, glamour, and up to$120/hr for light fetish content (stuff like clothed muscle worship, non-explicit). I dropped out for two years to pursue other interests, and found the going rate for nude models much reduced when I resumed shooting earlier this year. It seems to be approximately half these days what it was only a few years ago.

Very interesting observation, especially given your extensive experience on the other side of the lens.

I wonder if the drop in rates is a reflection of the rise of the smart phone? Now that kids are sending nude selfies to each other left, right, and centre, I wonder if they have concurrently reduced some of the rarity premium that nudes command because "everybody is doing it"?

Caitin Bre wrote:
125 nude to 150 erotic artistic pr hr with 2 hr min. 400 half day 800 full day plus travel and expenses.

You can always negotiate.

With those rates you can be certain that you will have to negotiate and a great many photographers would not even bother to try.

Samantha Barley wrote:
I'm unsure what I should be charging per hour.
I do partial nudes and full nudes.

thanks.

http://www.newmodels.com/TFPlace.html

Enjoy!

jf

natural beauties of qld wrote:

Very interesting observation, especially given your extensive experience on the other side of the lens.

I wonder if the drop in rates is a reflection of the rise of the smart phone? Now that kids are sending nude selfies to each other left, right, and centre, I wonder if they have concurrently reduced some of the rarity premium that nudes command because "everybody is doing it"?

I really have no idea, beyond the possibility that the heyday of the full-time nude model has come to an end. The rates I was being offered this summer were so low, compared to what they used to be, it would have barely covered my travel costs and expenses to do the shoots, let alone compensated for a day that would end up being eight hours, with prep and travel time. I would rather almost never shoot anymore, but come out it with something of value - either good photos or a household bill paid - than to shoot frequently with nothing to show for the love and energy I invested. Shooting has always been a big deal to me, and I genuinely care about the results; it's never been something I took lightly, because someone else is depending on me to make their time and expenses worthwhile. That has to go both ways, if there is to be a future crop of models who are experienced, devoted, and work full-time doing what they are good at. Pretty sure we're going to gradually see this group of experienced and skilled people dwindle down to almost none, as their work becomes unsustainable.

That Italian Guy wrote:

+1

If you start charging for nudes before you have a decent portfolio then you run the risk of getting stuck in a catch-22 loop of shooting only with GWCs who just want to see you naked and won't give you images you can use to encourage better people to work with you.



Just my $0.02

But they pay the best.

Just my $0.02

UltimateAppeal wrote:
With just the 4 images in your portfolio, and the 2 credited images it is difficult to tell. I generally look to see how versatile a model is in her looks. Can she pose fluidly. These things show experience levels.

You also have to consider your area, and what the market bears in that area. Nude rates depend alot on style and length of shoot. What is it for? Website content, shooting just to gain more experience, a publication ... there are way to many factors to consider.

BTW, welcome to MM.

This. Build a quality port with nude, get experience, then worry about what to charge. Short cuts won't be good in the long run.

Caitin Bre wrote:
... 800 full day plus travel and expenses...

How often do you actuallly get paid this?

AJScalzitti wrote:

So you are suggesting she charge more that Jessica Vaugn or some other models with years of expiernce, a great look, and who have been in Playboy?  Even better pay and images?

I think it would be more helpful to give suggestions that won't get the OP ignored or worse; something based in reality would be good.

Yeah, we see beginners who are advised in threads like this to charge what the most successful models make, and then we see threads speaking to beginner models asking for high rates of pay, and wondering why nobody hires them.

Abbitt Photography wrote:

Yeah, we see beginners who are advised in threads like this to charge what the most successful models make, and then we see threads speaking to beginner models asking for high rates of pay, and wondering why nobody hires them.

+1.