Forums > Model Colloquy > "Paid Assignments Only"

Photographer

Another Italian Guy

Posts: 3281

Bath, England, United Kingdom

CHAD ALAN wrote:
I think some photographers feel like if they have to pay a model, then they are not good enough to trade with.

Sometimes I would love to pay a model!

Retouching is the bane of my life! big_smile





Just my $0.02 etc. etc.

Apr 09 14 03:40 am Link

Model

Elisa 1

Posts: 3344

Monmouth, Wales, United Kingdom

Another Italian Guy wrote:
Sometimes I would love to pay a model!

Retouching is the bane of my life! big_smile





Just my $0.02 etc. etc.

You could always pay a retoucher. Harder to get for pancakes; but many will often do lower rates for editorials for eg. smile


As for Chad's comment yes I think it's sad that photographers have this impression they are not worthy if they have to pay a model. Obviously it's just a question of something specific a model may want ( be it classic portfolio shots, editorial,high art or styling production values, etc). So a model who already has half a dozen bodyscapes may not feel she needs more but it doesn't mean that a photographer then offering another such shoot tf but gets declined is a lesser photographer.

Apr 09 14 04:13 am Link

Photographer

Skydancer Photos

Posts: 22196

Santa Cruz, California, US

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Apr 09 14 09:50 am Link

Photographer

ChadAlan

Posts: 4254

Los Angeles, California, US

{distilling the original 2 questions in the OP}

DeVaul Photography wrote:
When do you feel comfortable going from "TF" to "Paid Assignments Only".

I'm not Paid Assignments Only, but I started charging rates when I absolutely had to for financial reasons; when I started taking my work more seriously, and thought I had something to offer.

DeVaul Photography wrote:
When would you decide to charge?

For corporate work, headshots, look books, online retail, product, commercial portrait and family or kid photography, then yes I'm comfortable charging a rate.

For fashion, editorial, alt, beauty, nudes and conceptual work, then I'm open to TF or reduced rates if I am able. If it falls into these categories but it's not something I want for my book, then a standard rate would apply.

I will sometimes shoot TF if I think the networking opportunities and visibility will help me.

I will sometimes shoot TF with artists I admire.

Apr 09 14 10:15 am Link

Photographer

ChadAlan

Posts: 4254

Los Angeles, California, US

Another Italian Guy wrote:

Sometimes I would love to pay a model!

Retouching is the bane of my life! big_smile

Just my $0.02 etc. etc.

Yes!

Apr 09 14 10:17 am Link

Photographer

WIP

Posts: 15973

Cheltenham, England, United Kingdom

Another Italian Guy wrote:

CHAD ALAN wrote:
I think some photographers feel like if they have to pay a model, then they are not good enough to trade with.

Sometimes I would love to pay a model!

Retouching is the bane of my life! big_smile





Just my $0.02 etc. etc. [/quote
next level if you paid would be the likes of Kate Moss

Apr 10 14 03:37 am Link

Photographer

Another Italian Guy

Posts: 3281

Bath, England, United Kingdom

Eliza C  new portfolio wrote:
You could always pay a retoucher. Harder to get for pancakes; but many will often do lower rates for editorials for eg. smile

I've tried it and although the results have been 'nice' the final images never 100% feel like my own or really look like I would have made them look.

And I'm talking about good retouchers here too, but regardless of how good somebody is, their vision is never going to be 100% my vision.




Just my $0.02 etc. etc.

Apr 10 14 04:37 am Link

Photographer

Another Italian Guy

Posts: 3281

Bath, England, United Kingdom

The Something Guy wrote:
next level if you paid would be the likes of Kate Moss

You're very kind but I don't have that sort of money to splash around! 

I guess I'm simply gonna have to keep pestering her for TF until she relents! big_smile




Just my $0.02 etc. etc.

Apr 10 14 04:39 am Link

Photographer

WIP

Posts: 15973

Cheltenham, England, United Kingdom

I think you're doing well with the calibre of model's you've shot on tf/test
Makes note; offer models pancakes.

Apr 10 14 06:05 am Link

Photographer

WIP

Posts: 15973

Cheltenham, England, United Kingdom

Must have been the mention of pancakes that killed this forum off.

Apr 11 14 06:30 am Link

Photographer

Rays Fine Art

Posts: 7504

New York, New York, US

It happens to me all the time.  I shoot trade only so the models who are in for the buck (and there's certainly nothing wrong with that) simply move on.  If they do move on to the "Paid Only" level I congratulate them on how well they're doing.  Sometimes they will come back later on, sometimes not, so I try to make my shoots fun and to connect with my models on a human, friendly level and keep the door open to get together down the road, just for fun.

It costs nothing to be nice, and sometimes it pays off handsomely!

May 05 14 11:12 am Link

Photographer

Commercial Fashion LA

Posts: 12

Los Angeles, California, US

I started doing headshots for actors and actresses for free at first so I could learn.

When I realized people were actually wanting to work with me and agents were sending their actors to me, I realized that I could start charging.

I've been doing TFP fashion and editorial projects. But recently started charging actors/models who would like life style images as well. Anything that is *not* creatively satisfying or allows me to "play" is stuff that I will charge for.

Of course, close friends and muses never have to pay for headshots or anything. big_smile

May 08 14 10:58 pm Link