Forums > General Industry > Model Rates - Who Tells First

Photographer

Rob Photosby

Posts: 4810

Brisbane, Queensland, Australia

natural beauties of qld wrote:
You will probably end up overpaying or missing out on models who are negotiable.

I recently had a model initially ask for $150/hr but voluntarily retreat to $50/hr when I declined her original rate.

Laura UnBound wrote:
When modeling is your sole income, knowing what you want/what you're worth, and knowing what you need to keep your roof over your head are often two completely different numbers.

The model in question was a hobbyist, as, I believe, is the vast majority of internet models.

Apr 15 14 04:46 pm Link

Photographer

g2-new photographics

Posts: 2048

Boston, Massachusetts, US

- BP Photo - wrote:
There is a rule in negotiations that whoever says a number first loses.

Pricing your services (whether a model or photographer) is actually a complicated process.  You want to get the most you can, but you also have to consider the "opportunity cost" (an economic term) of not getting the gig.

Not necessarily true.  The first quote is the basis for negotiating.  (You just have to understand this when you make the first move.)

smile

Apr 15 14 04:50 pm Link

Photographer

Red Sky Photography

Posts: 3895

Germantown, Maryland, US

When I contact a model about shooting my project, I tell her the concept and the amount of time I expect to need her. Then I offer what I believe is a fair rate for the time. That's my budget for talent.

She is free to accept or decline, but I'll rarely negotiate as I know what she is worth to me for this project.

Apr 15 14 06:29 pm Link

Model

Nat has a username

Posts: 3590

Oakland, California, US

I put my "rates" right in my about me but make it clear that I expect each project to be different and would much rather negotiate a partial or full barter if money is an issue.

From the model side of things, I've had photographers say "what is your rate?", I will answer a number but say I am negotiable, and they will say "yikes that's too much, sorry." or my favorite "gee i was hoping we could do tf". throw a number back instead, or be upfront with what you have budgeted for the shoot.

Apr 15 14 07:07 pm Link

Photographer

ChadAlan

Posts: 4254

Los Angeles, California, US

MM isn't a goldmine for me money-wise, but I do get an occasional model who initiates contact by saying "I would really love to work with you but I can only afford $x, let me know what you think"

I'm surely not offended by this and I can always come back with a counter if it's too low, or say for that rate I can only deliver this instead of that...

I've also been known to TF my time, but not my post work. That way I have the option of outsourcing the post if it's not something I need in my port at the moment, or if it's a busy time for me. Don't hate on me for it, because some have been happy with this arrangement.

Apr 15 14 07:28 pm Link

Photographer

Photo Jen B

Posts: 358

Surprise, Arizona, US

Laura UnBound wrote:

If someone told me they wanted to pay x dollars for y hours, I typically tried to negotiate the hours rather than the dollars. Wanting more money doesn't make it magically appear for the other person, oftentimes it's a matter of not existing, rather than them not wanting to give it. What you can control however is the time.

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+ this for me when I do start accepting fees, this is such a nice way to calculate for cost.

Thank you!
Jen B.
p.s. I mean charging as a model NOT photographer, I'm posting from the other profile just now.

Apr 15 14 07:44 pm Link

Photographer

Llobet Photography

Posts: 4915

Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US

I think one or two girls asked me for my rates in all this time.  When I gave them my really low quote, they ran away.

I have no clue what to charge.  I don't think I ever will.

Apr 15 14 08:33 pm Link

Photographer

altSWANK

Posts: 171

Maplewood, New Jersey, US

Mikey McMichaels wrote:
It depends on how you define the photographer's best interest. The alternative is the model saying no.

Sometimes a model saying no really sucks...but so be it.   And there are times you should pass on shooting a model.  Life goes on.....

Apr 15 14 11:11 pm Link

Model

Elisa 1

Posts: 3344

Monmouth, Wales, United Kingdom

JohnEnger wrote:

Uh? I travel to the US about 2-3 times a year...


J.

Then you know rates there are much higher than the US. I know I've modelled in Norway.
So what I am saying is that rates depend on travel, area rates etc so on this case a model may be more cautious in what she quotes if she doesn't know where you are.

Apr 16 14 02:25 pm Link

Photographer

J O H N A L L A N

Posts: 12221

Los Angeles, California, US

What's the old adage - There are no $100/hr models just $100/hr photographers.

Apr 16 14 02:35 pm Link

Photographer

Newcomb Photography

Posts: 728

Tampa, Florida, US

I always quote $100/hr clothed, $200/hr nude, unless its cold then my nude rate goes up.  So far nobody has ever offered to have me take the pictures in the nude so maybe my rate is too high.

its not necessarily true that being the first to throw a number out means you lose.  The only way you lose is if you suck at negotiating and have no idea of the market price.

Apr 16 14 02:58 pm Link

Model

FallenEcho

Posts: 1203

Escondido, California, US

If a photographer asks my rates I tell them. I see no reason to play games with that person, and try to squeeze every dime I can out of them. If my rate isn't reasonable for them I guess I am often met with disappearances, without them even trying to negotiate. I am always willing to negotiate. 
 
I could probably change my tact but I have had many photographers try to lowball me before. hmm

Apr 16 14 03:05 pm Link