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Shirin Brigitte

Posts: 379

Sydney, New South Wales, Australia

"Hi Everyone! This is a call to all 18-30 year olds for a MUSIC VIDEO. pls note this is UNPAID but it is a MAJOR release and will be played on MTV and VIDEO HITS. Popular country artist that has won multiple ARIA and CMAA awards . Please reply if you are available this Thursday 1st May from 12:00- 4:00pm. Formal evening wear for Masquerade Ball scene. If you look amazing or have an amazing costume we may ask you to stay until 7:00pm to get the opportunity to possibly feature in the clip. Location at ******* "

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.... so i found this today on Facebook. It is for a MAJOR release musicvideo, will be played on MTV and Videohits, from a POPULAR country artist that has won ARIA and CMAA award.... and they want their models/ extras for FREE ?

Note: If you stay until 7 pm (SEVEN HOURS) you 'possibly' get featured.

No drinks offered, no food. The extras have to bring their OWN costumes?
Not even something like: As payment we give free CD's or free tickets for a concert of this famous artist. Nothing.


After a lot of critique from other members, the poster answered with the following:

"We WANT to pay everyone but unfortunately the amount of MUSIC that is downloaded and streamed for FREE and not paid for is ridiculous! ... and this effects EVERYONE!"


... so what do you think? Do you join me by saying this is ridiculous or do you think this is absolutely ok?

Apr 28 14 08:03 am Link

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T Smalls Photography

Posts: 143

Bakersfield, California, US

That line about downloading is nonsense.  I remember when casting calls used to come out in the late 90s for music videos.  They didn't pay then, either.

Apr 28 14 08:21 am Link

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AnnAdB

Posts: 202

Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands

Load of crap if you ask me. But people do everything in the hope to get famous. That's where the real problem lays.

There are always people doing this, that's why producers can still send out these kind of messages.

Apr 28 14 11:05 am Link

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Model Mentor Studio

Posts: 1359

Saint Catharines-Niagara, Ontario, Canada

When is the last time MTV  showed a music video?

Apr 28 14 11:13 am Link

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Shirin Brigitte

Posts: 379

Sydney, New South Wales, Australia

Isn't MTV Pay TV now?
Haven't watched MTV since a few years now.

Apr 28 14 11:15 am Link

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Veronika Vitkina

Posts: 257

Brooklyn, New York, US

This is absolutely ridiculous, but this will continue to happen in all facets of the industry simply because there is always someone willing to do it.

Apr 28 14 12:58 pm Link

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Outoffocus

Posts: 631

Worcester, England, United Kingdom

Won't ever stop. To pass it up you need to dislike being exploited more than you like being in the limelight.

Apr 28 14 01:37 pm Link

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Patrick Walberg

Posts: 45198

San Juan Bautista, California, US

Shirin McBennett-Sheen wrote:
Isn't MTV Pay TV now?
Haven't watched MTV since a few years now.

No, MTV is nothing but crappy reality shows.  I don't believe that this video will get played on MTV.  If it's country, there is a video station for that!  Hardly anyone pays attention to those stations any way because we all know it will end up on Youtube. 

No pay = no way!  I'd be out there with a sign boycotting it if I were a model/actor there!  By the way, even many of the crappy reality shows pay their talent!  wink

Apr 28 14 01:44 pm Link

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Patrick Walberg

Posts: 45198

San Juan Bautista, California, US

Rick OBanion Photo wrote:
When is the last time MTV  showed a music video?

It was in 1994 ... last time that they had music videos in regular rotation. 
I'm actually guessing!  But I'm probably right!   tongue

Apr 28 14 01:49 pm Link

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Newcomb Photography

Posts: 728

Tampa, Florida, US

I agree that its ridiculous.  Now, I'm an offender of offering deals that don't pay cash, but there is almost always something given to the models and creatives (to your point of concert tickets, lunch, CD's, etc.)  For example, I have a current casting call for a "winery" in my area.  Its TFwine.  Yep, models and MUAs will receive a few hundred dollars in wine in exchange for a few hours or day of shooting.  So far the response has been pretty good.

These guys would be well served to at least hand out concert tickets or a CD collection (or few iTunes cards for the song)?, which has little value to the musician/record label, but intrinsic value to the folks involved.

Mike

Apr 28 14 02:42 pm Link

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Hi_Spade Photography

Posts: 927

Florence, South Carolina, US

Patrick Walberg wrote:

It was in 1994 ... last time that they had music videos in regular rotation. 
I'm actually guessing!  But I'm probably right!   tongue

I haven't watch anything on MTV for years. I remember when MTV first came on (Damn I'm really telling my age wink ) and it was good back then. The little bits I've seen these days from channel surfing is nothing but crapola.

Apr 28 14 02:55 pm Link

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Lucy Cain

Posts: 55

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

Shirin McBennett-Sheen wrote:
"Hi Everyone! This is a call to all 18-30 year olds for a MUSIC VIDEO. pls note this is UNPAID but it is a MAJOR release and will be played on MTV and VIDEO HITS. Popular country artist that has won multiple ARIA and CMAA awards . Please reply if you are available this Thursday 1st May from 12:00- 4:00pm. Formal evening wear for Masquerade Ball scene. If you look amazing or have an amazing costume we may ask you to stay until 7:00pm to get the opportunity to possibly feature in the clip. Location at ******* "

STOP

.... so i found this today on Facebook. It is for a MAJOR release musicvideo, will be played on MTV and Videohits, from a POPULAR country artist that has won ARIA and CMAA award.... and they want their models/ extras for FREE ?

Note: If you stay until 7 pm (SEVEN HOURS) you 'possibly' get featured.

No drinks offered, no food. The extras have to bring their OWN costumes?
Not even something like: As payment we give free CD's or free tickets for a concert of this famous artist. Nothing.


After a lot of critique from other members, the poster answered with the following:

"We WANT to pay everyone but unfortunately the amount of MUSIC that is downloaded and streamed for FREE and not paid for is ridiculous! ... and this effects EVERYONE!"


... so what do you think? Do you join me by saying this is ridiculous or do you think this is absolutely ok?

I don't know if it's ridiculous, but it does not sound legit.
The ranty bit about downloading music is a major red flag to me, coupled with the fact that I haven't seen a music video on MTV in years and I don't think they ever played country music in the first place, and the weird use of caps for emphasis.
The whole thing is at the very least, highly unprofessional, but I smell something fishy.

Apr 30 14 11:43 pm Link

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ChadAlan

Posts: 4254

Los Angeles, California, US

It may be ridiculous to some, but I think many would love to be a part of it, get some experience, and see what happens behind the scenes. Better to just skip anything you're not interested in and not get offended. There will be a lot of offers out there that may or may not suit you.

EDIT: assuming for a moment that said offer is legit, which I didn't analyze in depth.

Apr 30 14 11:50 pm Link

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Rays Fine Art

Posts: 7504

New York, New York, US

It's basically extra work and "free" extras are the staple of music videos as well as short films and videos by novice film makers.  As others have indicated, if you're doing it for pay, it's ridiculous to do it for free, but if you're doing it for the fun of it, it's not.

As to the producer, why shouldn't he want free labor if it's there to be had?  That's no more ridiculous than choosing to watch a movie on a commercial network rather than a premium channel.

All IMHO as always, of course.

May 02 14 06:56 am Link

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MartaBrixton

Posts: 1022

London, England, United Kingdom

CHAD ALAN wrote:
It may be ridiculous to some, but I think many would love to be a part of it, get some experience, and see what happens behind the scenes. Better to just skip anything you're not interested in and not get offended. There will be a lot of offers out there that may or may not suit you.

EDIT: assuming for a moment that said offer is legit, which I didn't analyze in depth.

I was about to say it, if you don't like it just don't reply. It's not a big deal.

May 02 14 11:18 am Link

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I M N Photography

Posts: 2350

Boston, Massachusetts, US

There are people that wait in line longer than 7 hours for the "possibility" of an autograph or even seeing a celebrity.

If you can't make the most of this opportunity, whether it be to feed your résumé, your ego, or self-satisfaction having and fun, then I would suggest you ignore the casting call and anything like it.

Most "extras", barely get enough for lunch dinner.

It is the equivalent of taking on paid gigs only, and shooting material that never sees the light of day...
...and shooting TFP collaborations with artists that can help your career advance.

By the way, unless it is a really "poor production", sponsors will provide food and refreshments for the entire cast.

They don't expect you to hang out for free AND starve.

If you leave to find some food, you might not come back on time, or at all!

May 02 14 11:38 am Link

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Figuremodel001

Posts: 342

Chicago, Illinois, US

Shirin McBennett-Sheen wrote:
"Hi Everyone! This is a call to all 18-30 year olds for a MUSIC VIDEO. pls note this is UNPAID but it is a MAJOR release and will be played on MTV and VIDEO HITS. Popular country artist that has won multiple ARIA and CMAA awards . Please reply if you are available this Thursday 1st May from 12:00- 4:00pm. Formal evening wear for Masquerade Ball scene. If you look amazing or have an amazing costume we may ask you to stay until 7:00pm to get the opportunity to possibly feature in the clip. Location at ******* "

STOP

.... so i found this today on Facebook. It is for a MAJOR release musicvideo, will be played on MTV and Videohits, from a POPULAR country artist that has won ARIA and CMAA award.... and they want their models/ extras for FREE ?

Note: If you stay until 7 pm (SEVEN HOURS) you 'possibly' get featured.

No drinks offered, no food. The extras have to bring their OWN costumes?
Not even something like: As payment we give free CD's or free tickets for a concert of this famous artist. Nothing.


After a lot of critique from other members, the poster answered with the following:

"We WANT to pay everyone but unfortunately the amount of MUSIC that is downloaded and streamed for FREE and not paid for is ridiculous! ... and this effects EVERYONE!"


... so what do you think? Do you join me by saying this is ridiculous or do you think this is absolutely ok?

ridiculous

May 02 14 01:22 pm Link

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NothingnesssEver

Posts: 194

New York, New York, US

I would do it if they give out candies as payment tongue

May 02 14 01:31 pm Link

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Samantha Scarlette

Posts: 456

New York, New York, US

They probably mean MTV Hits which is a 24 hour music video channel. But they don't play country.

I've been in several music videos and got 0 pay, no costume or hair & makeup provided or anything.  It's just an exposure thing. Plus all the music videos I've been in have been friends of friends stuff…     The last music video I was in was for a collab between JoJo Simmon's (son of Rev Run from RunDMC) and some other rapper signed to Def Jam.. $0 pay or food. Thats just how it goes.

The only person who ever gets paid in a music video is the principal girl or guy playing the love interest, and those people are usually found (when it's a big deal video) via a modeling or talent agency.  They're not posting castings on FB or Craigslist for Principal actors.    I've known people who were extras via these type of casting calls in Fall Out Boy videos (like this girl I knew was an extra in their "I Don't Care" video in like 2008 or 2009) and they got paid $0 as well. So yeah.

I'm a musician myself and I have stuff coming out later this year.. I definitely won't be paying anyone to be in my music videos.  Videos themselves on the low scale cost between $10 and $20,000 on average if they're professionally shot.

May 02 14 02:18 pm Link