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Okay so I haven't been on here that long but I have had substantial number of gigs from MM and have worked with quite a number of photographer, MUA, other models, etc, so maybe I have experienced/come into contact with different people. So one things really bugged me reading the discussion topics recently though, is that many photographers are complaining about model who is "30 lbs overweight, and you cant see the bikini because of the rolls" who want "$250/hr. 4 hour minimum. Hair and MUA a must." (https://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thread_id=923528) or GWP (girl with pics) who "has no portfolio to speak of, nothing in their portfolio indicates any ability to pose or work artistically, sometimes a couple of nasty spreads on a blue background with baby oil rubbed unevenly over their genitals, no stats to speak of what so ever (5'3", size 12 girl/5'8" 230lb guy), and in their profile they demand $100/hour for fashion to implied nude and $500/hour or more for nude work." (https://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thread_id=925285) -not that size 12 is bad or anything, it s just from the perspective of the person who made that comment a size is not what he is looking for for his casting.- but seriously friends?can you please tell me where are these people? how is it even possible here? I work my arse off, studying poses and doing skin clearing regime everyday so that the MUA or the retoucher doesn't have a hard time, get my nails done before every shoots, even read up on lighting and photography because i want to work with the lighting and the set up blah blah, and many time I charge way less than that, even when it is less than 3 hours with me bringing in my own wardrobe , doing my own hair and make up, and sometimes even test with no travel compensation. My photos don't look that horrible, and definitely not like any phone pictures. I could never dream of asking for more than 150$/hour, let alone 250$/hour with MUA. what is going on? does these people actually exist? do people actually hire them? if they go get work then what is wrong with me and my rate? @.@ May 30 14 11:56 pm Link I think you are looking at a phenomenon that frustrates many. The people you refer to as charging 250/h are probably not getting any work, or have set their rates that high to avoid getting offers to shoot. There are a lot of pretenders here that are on this site just to be able to call themselves models. The same goes for photographers. It's a game of pretend. That being said, I think you should not put too much thought into this, and continue with what works for you. And keep in mind that rates VARY depending on location, looks and levels. Best of luck, John May 31 14 12:31 am Link I have photographed a very fantastic looking model nude for $130./hour. This is the most that I have ever paid. May 31 14 12:37 am Link They may have their expectations, and maybe there is an audience that likes their "beauty". But they are NOT THE PROBLEM. The problem are those who work for free/TFP all the time, and there is an endless sea of (that kind of) "talent". If you were a director, and you just needed "meat" off the street, you can get that for free. Why pay money when you don't have to? Real trained actors, models, etc, who spend years, blood, sweat, tears, and all of their savings training and perfecting their craft won't get hired if there are others who will work for free. The cost of living isn't cheap these days either, even a low grade model needs to be paid if someone wants to hire her or him for their time, energy, and travels. So in my opinion, yes, seriously, asking for that much is reasonable. May 31 14 01:02 am Link JohnEnger wrote: +1 JohnEnger wrote: +1 May 31 14 01:08 am Link It's simple, if a person's talent is worth the money, I would pay. I can ask to negociate if I'm not happy with the rates. I can also continue searching through an endless sea of talent for what I want. This is from a person only doing private projects though. May 31 14 01:37 am Link What I don't like about these comments is that if a model is not skinny she is worthless. Wow, how dare you even charge if you are not size 6, you actually supposed to pay for pictures. I am actually size 10/12 so I guess according to some I am a girl with pics. It is quite sad that some people still do not understand that big women also have their fans. Personally I don't normally charge for pictures and I work only with people who's work I like but I don't see why everyone is so offended by high rates, how is it your business? Just ask and if it's too high for you move on. I would never pay 500 pounds for a bag but I don't go to Gucci stores to tell them their bags are shit and people must be mad to pay that much for them, I don't post threads on forums either. I know a girl slightly bigger than me but with very small breast and flat bum, her skin is not in a good condition at all and to be honest there is nothing special about her face, she has almost 0 experience and she got paid 300 pounds for a non nude shoot. I couldn't even dream of it. It means according to someone she was worth it and there is nothing wrong with it. May 31 14 02:06 am Link Sandra Vixen wrote: I am sorry but how is it my problem? If they were really great they would get jobs anyway and if not then they could have gone to Uni and spend years, blood, sweat, tears and all of their savings to get educated and get a job or gain experience in a company to get promoted, maybe even open their own business. May 31 14 02:11 am Link One time in band camp I saw a model claim she had worked 10 years as an agency model. She refused to sign a release as the work was a creative endeavor belonging to all participants. By the way, her profile said she only took paid work and her port didn't impress the notion of 10 years exp. I wouldn't start a thread on it though. I just chuckled that a "Pro Model" would say she wanted to be paid for a tf shoot and clicked next. More power to these models if they get what they want. May 31 14 03:57 am Link 1- You are missing the real problem Models that charge too high are nt the problem Models that only work tft is not the problem Models that are too big are not the problem Models that are too short are not the problem The problem is people complaining If you don't did value in something, you don't pay it and go on If someone can't get work because someone else is giving it away for "free" they for have strong enough work If someone is doing "everything right" and still can't go higher on rates, they have the wrong definition of "right" or "everything" Concentrate on things you can learn and grow from... Complainers usually have nothing to offer. May 31 14 04:31 am Link These models do exist but we can' t name them here. I've recently been quoted €40 for clothed and €80 for lingerie/bikini and €120 for nude by a model who has had one shoot so far. She also wanted €80 traveling expenses, even though she lives near by, about 20Km away. She wants to be paid for traveling time, as well as petrol. I had contacted her about a TFP fashion shoot. I didn't reply but I've checked her port recently and she has new photos up. They look to have been done in a studio by someone with experience, so I suppose, someone is willing to pay her rates. May 31 14 04:35 am Link Sandra Vixen wrote: TF doesn't mean free. I wish people would stop saying that. May 31 14 04:48 am Link Sounds as if you work hard at modeling! It certainly shows in your MM portfolio! May 31 14 05:17 am Link When I pay a model, I pay her for her experience and her look. May 31 14 05:33 am Link Natalia_Taffarel wrote: +1 May 31 14 05:54 am Link Natalia_Taffarel wrote: Unfortunately there are many complainers on Model Mayhem. May 31 14 06:06 am Link For all of the forum discussion of models who have exorbitantly high rates, there is nobody that actually would pay them. There is nothing wrong with your look, experience, or rates. If I advertised my Jeep Wrangler for sale for $100K, it will not affect sales at the dealer. May 31 14 06:32 am Link Natalia_Taffarel wrote: +1 May 31 14 06:38 am Link Natalia_Taffarel wrote: Yup all of this right here. May 31 14 07:13 am Link Asking rates doesn't mean anyone has actually ever paid them this rates. May 31 14 07:19 am Link Natalia_Taffarel wrote: Probably the best post I've ever read on te subject. May 31 14 07:31 am Link Loki Studio wrote: I have some doubt about it, since is sufficient find some desperate photographer with a lot of money. May 31 14 07:49 am Link I once contacted a beautiful model who had just joined the site. Her profile listed "paid assignments only" so I asked her what her rates were. She replied $200 per hour. Her port was filled with amateurish images and selfies. I thanked her and moved on. She contacted me back and asked what I could pay - I told her I could come up with gas money and she accepted. During the shoot when we were talking I asked her about the rate she originally quoted to me. I figured that being new she was just testing the waters and really had no idea about real and practical standard practices. However, she insisted that she was routinely paid $200 per hour. Not to be too pushy bit I asked her who was paying these rates and for what? Clothing companies? Fetish video work? What? A very vague response followed and I left it at that. Two years later her profile is still up, active, with her original images still posted. Go figure. May 31 14 07:56 am Link It's kinda similar to the photographers that have a giant " NO TF*" on their profile. Virtually everyone one of them trades now and then. And if they say otherwise they are lying. What's that marketing mantra? Tell a lie enough times and people will believe it? Or something like that? May 31 14 08:03 am Link Some lawyers charge $1,000/hr. Some $150/hr. They get what they feel they can, and not always the best bang for the buck either, imho. May 31 14 08:11 am Link Let me first go off-topic long enough to say what a joy it is to see models, photographers, retouchers, everybody conversing, contributing, communicating about a common frustration without fighting. Thank you all! You've warmed the cockle-burrs of an old man's heart! I think the problem is mostly with inexperienced folks (and the problem is real on both sides of the camera) who base their expectations on what they see on TV, in the consumer-oriented fashion magazines, and on the misinformation of family and friends. The come in here thinking that: 1- This (whether it be modeling or photography) is an unskilled, well-paid industry in which anyone can succeed on their own terms. False. 2- That everyone is entitled to payment for their efforts, simply because they have put forth those efforts. False. 3- That models are all in it for the money. False. 4- That models are all in it for the sex. False. 5- That photographers are all in it for the money. False. 6- That photographers are all in it for the sex. False. 7- That the forums are not a place to learn but rather a place to rant about all the people that have been there and done that and have learned by doing so that items 1 through 6 are all false. Fortunately, a lot of them hang around long enough and listen closely enough to learn what this is all about. Unfortunately, there is another lot of them who stubbornly cling to their misconceptions or simply give up upon learning that the world just ain't that way. Which is sad, I think, because behind all the pretentiousness and expectations lurk some pretty nice people, in most cases, who could be real assets to the community. All IMHO as always, of course. May 31 14 08:41 am Link Natalia_Taffarel wrote: Bolded by me for emphasis. May 31 14 08:47 am Link Phan Nguyen Nguyen wrote: Phan, keep working your arse off...hard work pays off. Don't worry about what other people are doing or not doing. Photographers appreciate models like yourself. May 31 14 09:39 am Link MartaBrixton wrote: Marta when I first saw you for the first time when your profile pic was still the one where you lying down, i thought to myself 'wow she is so hot'. I personally think as long as model looks good on photos, size is irrelevant. there are size 14 girl who is more beautiful than many others who are size zero. I am sorry if you find my post offensive, but I was simply quoting the comments in other thread, in which case to my understanding is that, the photographer is not saying "how dare you charging high price when you are a size 6" but more like he is questioning why people who don't exactly fit into the requirement for his particular casting call would ask for such a high rate. May 31 14 10:49 am Link Marin Photography NYC wrote: Photos like yours are the best payment May 31 14 10:50 am Link Natalia_Taffarel wrote: I am sorry if this come across as complaining, it is just something that baffles me and I am looking for an answer, a lot of time it is hard to learn and improve when people who know better don't tell anything. May 31 14 10:53 am Link alessandro2009 wrote: please point me to him if you know someone like that May 31 14 10:53 am Link AJScalzitti wrote: You are right, but have anyone ever wonder why those are even on here? because of the large number of users, the pool is so diluted and it makes it super hard to serious people to be found among all the not-so-serious. May 31 14 10:56 am Link MDWM wrote: B L ZeeBubb wrote: Thank you both for the advice. I see what you are saying. This is just me trying to look around and understand the market and not to lose touch with reality. May 31 14 10:58 am Link Phan Nguyen Nguyen wrote: I have noticed that many photographers on MM complain that they don't have money. May 31 14 10:58 am Link Phan Nguyen Nguyen wrote: They can ask for whatever they want, but that doesn't mean they will get it. May 31 14 11:03 am Link Jerry Nemeth wrote: But there are also rich folks like you May 31 14 11:12 am Link GRMACK wrote: Especially if you're posting this from behind bars, then you definitely didn't get the best bang for your buck ;-) do they let inmates use the net nowadays? I can write you and send you photos of nude models to pass the time ;-) May 31 14 11:14 am Link Phan Nguyen Nguyen wrote: True, separating the wheat from the chaff can be an issue but when I see the examples you are talking about it hastens the process May 31 14 11:37 am Link Phan Nguyen Nguyen wrote: I am not rich! May 31 14 12:44 pm Link |
