Kelli wrote:

I've never heard anyone laugh at Americans for being prudes.

You don't get out much, do you?

Kelli wrote:

I've never heard anyone laugh at Americans for being prudes.

Oh?

Studio36

salvatori. wrote:

studio36uk wrote:
Maybe that is because Americans can't wrap their heads around the fact that we are all members of the animal kingdom. Intelligent animals, to be sure, but animals nevertheless. Certain religions [nudge, nudge, wink, wink] in particular have great difficulty with the concept, and like to pretend that humans are somehow unique and uniquely  different from everything else in the animal world.

Me? I think the, so called, and self proclaimed, "moral animal" is probably the worst kind.

Studio36

So you wanna bash America (no surprise coming from you, there) and Christians. I take your comment as a personal attack, as I am both.

SB is closed, take it somewhere else.

I am a dual national. Guess which 2 countries!

Studio36

studio36uk wrote:

Oh?

Studio36

Not for being prudes, no! You know how many countries can't access websites that are in no way, shape or form pornographic. Enough porn comes from the U.S. How is that prudish? Because all of the American beaches are not nude? Yeah, some of their laws are REALLY behind in the times, but they eventually catch up.

There's plenty of things that the world makes fun of Americans for, why resort to calling them prudes when there's much worse things going on?

global vision wrote:
and we wonder why the rest of the world is laughing at us.....asside from the political situation

I don't wonder why the rest of the world laughs at us. I wonder why the rest of the world calls us when they're about to get their asses kicked.

Lovely Day Media wrote:
Why are some people such prudes? I don't get it.

For instance ... my BIL asked me to put a DVD together for my niece's graduation party. I did it. Now he asks me to come to the party to show it. I did that, too.

Of course, I brought my computer. I'm not ashamed to admit I'm a photographer. I sometimes photograph models. Sometimes the models are in varying types of clothing (but they always have clothes on). The model currently on my desktop is a swimsuit model. She has on a one piece suit that isn't all that skimpy (I've seen some people that were in the crowd wearing much skimpier).

As I was getting things set up, I booted my computer and went to connect some wires. My BIL comes by and tells me I have to change the picture on my desktop because he doesn't want anyone to "get offended". I asked him if he was serious and he said yes. 

I told him that this is my computer and I'll have what I want on my desktop, especially if it's not illegal, immoral or encroaching on anyone else's rights. He said someone might say it's immoral. I said they don't have to look, then (especially since my screen saver comes on after only 1 minute) and what would they do if they went to a beach and saw some of the suits people wear there? Tell them they're offended so the people have to go home to change?

He looked at me as if I'm nuts and walked away without another word. Why is it that he (in this scenario, anyway) is okay with this at home but when his "friends" might see it, it's "such an embarrassment"? Has anyone else encountered this kind of prudishness? How do you deal with it?

I shoot nudes for major publications. There is a time and place for everything. Yes, maybe your BIL over-reacted but you're in his home. It has nothing to do with being a prude...it's all about respect.

MDWM wrote:

I don't wonder why the rest of the world laughs at us. I wonder why the rest of the world calls us when they're about to get their asses kicked.

If that has really ever happened I'm sure they wondered why they did that as well.

Lovely Day Media wrote:
He looked at me as if I'm nuts and walked away without another word. Why is it that he (in this scenario, anyway) is okay with this at home but when his "friends" might see it, it's "such an embarrassment"? Has anyone else encountered this kind of prudishness? How do you deal with it?

All the more reason that if friends & family want we to do something I do professionally, they're either to hire me & set the terms otherwise I get to do it what I want & how I want it.

salvatori. wrote:
sidenote: So we go from a personal situation that involves differing perceptions of appropriate behavior in a family situation to that most enjoyed of sport: America-Bashing.

OP... bad form.

If I hosted a dinner at a restaurant, and a guest showed up in a bikini (or similar non-beach clothing) I wouldn't like it. Is their outfit illegal? Of course not. Do they have a legal right to wear it? Of course. Should it be okay with me? Absolutely not.

Would I like seeing her that way at the beach? Quite possibly. Do I want her sitting at my table alongside my 85 year old Mother and my 3 year old niece? Uh, no.

Tact and courtesy are traits that are disappearing pretty quickly these days, and your arrogance is ill-placed and just rude.

Again, IMHO

I agree with you on many levels but disagree on a few points, too. First, I didn't bring the model in a swimsuit. It was a picture that was on my computer's desktop. If the model had actually been there in the swimsuit, it would've been bad form but she wasn't. Some of the skirts some of the young ladies were wearing were way "too short", too. If they dropped a $50 bill on the ground, they'd have to leave it there or everyone would get to see everything no matter how they went down to get it.

Second, this wasn't his home. This was a community hall they borrowed (they didn't have to pay for it, not that it matters). If it had been his home, he'd have been okay with it because his friends wouldn't be able to see it. He saw it before at his home and said "nice picture".

Third, he asked me to do this job (put a slideshow together), wanted to micromanage it, didn't want to give up a dime AND wants to dictate what pictures I have on my desktop, too? I don't think so. If that's arrogant and/or rude, maybe he won't ask me to do anything else. That would be fine.

D-Light wrote:
At home he is relaxed and everyone knows him, he can be himself. In the situation outlined there may be someone present, who he or his daughter wants to impress or stay on the good side of, who is a prude. Perhaps, if that person or persons were not present he would have behaved differently.

We all do it. For example, on my time off I wear jeans or cargos and a t-shirt, at work I wear business clothes. It's just a different aspect of the same behavior.

What would I do in your position? I don't know. I have treated each situation on it's own merits and behaved differently each time.

I understand that clothing styles can change depending on where you are and/or what you're doing. For instance, I don't know what you do for a living but business clothes might be necessary and/or appropriate for everyday activities. If a day comes when your work space is getting a new phone system (for instance) and it's going to be your job to install it (which means you're probably going to get dirty), you might not want to wear the same clothes.

Someone might say something about your doing it (look at him wearing a t shirt ... he never dresses that way), but you have a job to do, it needs to get done and you're going to do it to the best of your ability.

It's the same for me except that no one said a word about how I was dressed. It was all about a picture on my desktop. As I said, she wasn't nude or even close to it. Yes, she does have some skin showing but everyone does (unless they're covered from head to toe with only their eyes showing). If it matters, her chest is mostly covered by her hair. The "important" parts are covered by her swimsuit and they are covered (not just barely, either, no pun intended).

Morgan_Rose wrote:
I live in the Bible Belt and 99% of the time I shoot nekkid. I realize some people aren't going to like what I do and that's fine. It doesn't really bother me.

I'll bet Raleigh isn't too prudish anymore due to the large number of yankees migrating down there

JJMiller wrote:

I'll bet Raleigh isn't too prudish anymore due to the large number of yankees migrating down there

I don't actually live in Raleigh. I live in Black Creek, which is a small town still considered a village. It's an hour outside of Raleigh. I wouldn't come up in any searches if I put my town lol

Kelli wrote:
When my hair dresser found out that I model she said, " That's okay, I don't mind if I have clients who are hookers. "

I think most people know that modeling and hooking aren't the same thing. Perhaps what your hairdresser meant (or a more pleasant way for me to think of it) is she says some of her clients are hookers, but I don't care. They're human beings with green money to spend so I pass no judgement on them. If she passes no judgement on them, why should she pass one on you?

If that's the case and hookers are lower on the totem pole than models are, she's really saying she doesn't care if you're a model or what kind of modeling you do as long as she gets paid for her services.

The money part might not be as relevant as I made it.

Lovely Day Media wrote:
I agree with you on many levels but disagree on a few points, too. First, I didn't bring the model in a swimsuit. It was a picture that was on my computer's desktop. If the model had actually been there in the swimsuit, it would've been bad form but she wasn't. Some of the skirts some of the young ladies were wearing were way "too short", too. If they dropped a $50 bill on the ground, they'd have to leave it there or everyone would get to see everything no matter how they went down to get it.

Second, this wasn't his home. This was a community hall they borrowed (they didn't have to pay for it, not that it matters). If it had been his home, he'd have been okay with it because his friends wouldn't be able to see it. He saw it before at his home and said "nice picture".

Third, he asked me to do this job (put a slideshow together), wanted to micromanage it, didn't want to give up a dime AND wants to dictate what pictures I have on my desktop, too? I don't think so. If that's arrogant and/or rude, maybe he won't ask me to do anything else. That would be fine.

Geez, I'm sorry you couldn't see what I said as a metaphor. Your other points are more semantics than anything, and aren't worth further discussion.

If you just wanted to preach that he was a prude, just state it in the OP and don't even entertain anyone's opinion but your own.

Sorry, but if you're gonna nitpick people's replies, you will be able to pick and choose to your heart's content, and win every time. Congrats.

Lovely Day Media wrote:

I think most people know that modeling and hooking aren't the same thing. Perhaps what your hairdresser meant (or a more pleasant way for me to think of it) is she says some of her clients are hookers, but I don't care. They're human beings with green money to spend so I pass no judgement on them. If she passes no judgement on them, why should she pass one on you?

If that's the case and hookers are lower on the totem pole than models are, she's really saying she doesn't care if you're a model or what kind of modeling you do as long as she gets paid for her services.

The money part might not be as relevant as I made it.

No, the conversation went further then that - remember, she's my hair dresser and also my friends who are models ( that means a lot of talking ) and she definitely was calling me a hooker - no confusion there.

Kelli wrote:
No, the conversation went further then that - remember, she's my hair dresser and also my friends who are models ( that means a lot of talking ) and she definitely was calling me a hooker - no confusion there.

Well ... I'm sorry your hairdresser thinks you're a hooker. I was just trying to put a positive spin on things where one wasn't in evidence or I didn't see one.

salvatori. wrote:
If you look over the thread, you will see that my first reply was to the OP, the others were to others.

I'll have a nice day without your help, thank you very much. I'll take up yoga when you learn some reading comprehension.

/done here.

And yet I fail to see/read where the op requested your moral judgement be thrown in his face.
But I guess, with your amazingly superior powers of comprehension you simply read into the situation and then thought you might share your own twist on moral enlightenment.

Me calls it trollin' angry man.

But all the same, you've inadvertently done a stand up job illustrating exactly how you might react when faced with someone judging you... heh heh.

Ummm... /me done too, so there

James S wrote:
Most of my family and friends are prudes. That's why I don't use my real name on my profile. They would be horrified if they knew I was a nude photographer.

Big Huge Ditto!!

Lovely Day Media wrote:

Well ... I'm sorry your hairdresser thinks you're a hooker. I was just trying to put a positive spin on things where one wasn't in evidence or I didn't see one.

That's okay, I stopped seeing her after that!

James S wrote:
Most of my family and friends are prudes. That's why I don't use my real name on my profile. They would be horrified if they knew I was a nude photographer.

Bunch of prudes I tells ya!

My wife does the make up for most of my nude and non nude models.

What's so wrong with nudity?

Jules NYC wrote:
How Udor sees a prude's mental prison



http://i.imgur.com/V21pKJ2.gif?1

What makes it funny if you're not familiar with Crumb's work is that he's well, so 'not'.

LOL... actually... I am somewhat familiar with Crumb!

udor wrote:

LOL... actually... I am somewhat familiar with Crumb!

I figured you were, that's why I posted it.
*explanation for the 'what?' crowd

Ah ha ha
Boo ha ha

Lovely Day Media wrote:

I understand that clothing styles can change depending on where you are and/or what you're doing. For instance, I don't know what you do for a living but business clothes might be necessary and/or appropriate for everyday activities. If a day comes when your work space is getting a new phone system (for instance) and it's going to be your job to install it (which means you're probably going to get dirty), you might not want to wear the same clothes.

Someone might say something about your doing it (look at him wearing a t shirt ... he never dresses that way), but you have a job to do, it needs to get done and you're going to do it to the best of your ability.

It's the same for me except that no one said a word about how I was dressed. It was all about a picture on my desktop. As I said, she wasn't nude or even close to it. Yes, she does have some skin showing but everyone does (unless they're covered from head to toe with only their eyes showing). If it matters, her chest is mostly covered by her hair. The "important" parts are covered by her swimsuit and they are covered (not just barely, either, no pun intended).

I think you've missed my point. I used clothing purely to illustrate it, there's so many other things I could use in the same way.

You asked why it's ok for him to see these photos at home but not in this situation. We all behave differently, depending on where we are and who is present.

We don't know who he had in mind when he asked you to change the photo or why he thought the request was appropriate. It's something people do all the time, in different situations, in different ways. Everyone is out to impress others, in different ways and anything the damages that impression, they try and change, if they can.

Mortonovich wrote:

Say what? Of course! Happens all the time! No matter what, someone, somewhere is going to get their panties in a bunch for no reason whatsoever.

Honestly, what I do is not even show or talk about model related photos with "normies". They just won't get it and their preconceived notions will be set in stone.

+1

Kelli wrote:
When my hair dresser found out that I model she said, " That's okay, I don't mind if I have clients who are hookers. "

Jay  Edwards wrote:

Actually, most PEOPLE think they are open minded, BUT(!)... with limitations...

heehee

Rik Williams wrote:

Bunch of prudes I tells ya!

My wife does the make up for most of my nude and non nude models.

What's so wrong with nudity?

My wife doesn't do makeup, but she is one of my models. Neither of us have issues with nudity. We're both nudists, we visit our local nudist resorts several times each summer.

We live in a very conservative part of the country, though. In some ways, Spokane makes the Bible Belt look like Vegas.

Lovely Day Media wrote:
Why are some people such prudes? I don't get it.

...

Has anyone else encountered this kind of prudishness? How do you deal with it?

Like Morgan Rose, I live in an area of the country that is overflowing with very conservative "christians."  They are a cheerless crowd, able to take the sunshine from a cloudless sky.

Life is too short to deal with them - if I get a comment, I ignore it and if they persist I tell them to buzz off.