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Patrickth
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Bellingham, Washington, US
I am going to upgrade and just want to know if I will be able to use my 65mm, 90mm and 180mm. I know I have to get new backs,
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Mike Collins
Posts: 2880
Orlando, Florida, US
Yes. You can use RB lenses on RZ but you cannot use RZ lenses on RBs since the shutter control is on the RZ body and the shutter control is on the RB lenses.
(hope I got that right. It's been a few years but I used both for years...long ago)
I think the shutter control will still be on the lens if you put the RB lens and override the RZ control.
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Patrickth
Posts: 10321
Bellingham, Washington, US
Mike Collins wrote:
Yes. You can use RB lenses on RZ but you cannot use RZ lenses on RBs since the shutter control is on the RZ body and the shutter control is on the RB lenses.
(hope I got that right. It's been a few years but I used both for years...long ago)
I think the shutter control will still be on the lens if you put the RB lens and override the RZ control. Thanks, mainly want to get the 140mm RZ lens. Everything else is gravy.
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GK photo
Posts: 31025
Laguna Beach, California, US
the only caveat (if i remember correctly) is that there is a flange differential between the two body types. i don't believe you'll be at infinity focus with the bellows fully retracted. i think you have to extend it out a tad before. not that that matters, as long as you're focusing with some form of viewfinder.  other than that, you'll be good.
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Patrickth
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Bellingham, Washington, US
GK photo wrote:
the only caveat (if i remember correctly) is that there is a flange differential between the two body types. i don't believe you'll be at infinity focus with the bellows fully retracted. i think you have to extend it out a tad before.
not that that matters, as long as you're focusing with some form of viewfinder.
other than that, you'll be good. The 140mm is a macro, so should be o.k for head shots right?
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GK photo
Posts: 31025
Laguna Beach, California, US
Patrickth wrote:
The 140mm is a macro, so should be o.k for head shots right? sure, but i use a 180mm for that. i've heard good things about that lens though. and obviously the infinity thing won't matter on a native rz lens.
i believe that's the lens that annie liebovitz loved the most on an rz.
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rickspix
Posts: 1304
Vallejo, California, US
one of the reasons i switched from the rb system to the rz system many years ago was because i wanted to capture from my computer and i couldn't do that with the rb as i had to crank the shutter each exposure and there was usually a tad bit camera movement even on a heavy studio stand. i end up doing a lot of various exposures for material needed for my product photos so i needed to capture from my computer rather than from the camera to eliminate movement when compositing.
anyway i also upgraded my lenses to all rz lenses because they mount with electronic contacts so that all my info reads on my monitor. i use an old hassy digital back on it. i also use the 140 macro mostly as it is a great lens.
i still have a ton of lenses for the rz and even have the tilt shift attachment and the two tilt shift short barrel lenses. I never use them anymore as i closed my studio and only use a simple set up now with the 140 from time to time. (maybe it is time to sell some of them?)
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DougBPhoto
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Portland, Oregon, US
Patrickth wrote:
I am going to upgrade and just want to know if I will be able to use my 65mm, 90mm and 180mm. I know I have to get new backs, If you don't mind, what are the main reasons you're upgrading?
I really want a 6x7..... I am turned off to the Pentax due to the mirror and shutter slap (and slow sync), but thinking I should go with an RZ instead of an RB.
Of course, if someone wanted to give me an RB, I would not refuse.
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GK photo
Posts: 31025
Laguna Beach, California, US
rickspix wrote:
i still have a ton of lenses for the rz and even have the tilt shift attachment and the two tilt shift short barrel lenses. I never use them anymore as i closed my studio and only use a simple set up now with the 140 from time to time. (maybe it is time to sell some of them?) DougBPhoto wrote:
I really want a 6x7..... I am turned off to the Pentax due to the mirror and shutter slap (and slow sync), but thinking I should go with an RZ instead of an RB. doug, rick...rick, doug.
see, always the facilitator.
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Patrickth
Posts: 10321
Bellingham, Washington, US
DougBPhoto wrote:
If you don't mind, what are the main reasons you're upgrading?
I really want a 6x7..... I am turned off to the Pentax due to the mirror and shutter slap (and slow sync), but thinking I should go with an RZ instead of an RB.
Of course, if someone wanted to give me an RB, I would not refuse. Several reasons, none of them valid I guess.
1. I keep forgetting the sequence to wind cock, fire. So I lose a lot or double exposures.
2. My Pentax 67II is not comfortable to my preferred method of shooting.
3. I really like that 140mm
4. Serious case of G.A.S.
and 5. My sister is paying me to move her to Denver and the $$ is excess to my needs, so going to take a Photo road trip :-)
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Bob Helm Photography
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Cherry Hill, New Jersey, US
I have used both and I prefer the RZ for a lot of reasons but mainly the single lever cocking/film advance lever.
Depending on the vintage of your RB glass you may find that the newer RZ glass is sharper.
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GK photo
Posts: 31025
Laguna Beach, California, US
Bob Helm Photography wrote:
I have used both and I prefer the RZ for a lot of reasons but mainly the single lever cocking/film advance lever.
Depending on the vintage of your RB glass you may find that the newer RZ glass is sharper. yeah, if you don't use the rb system right, you could be in for a painful repair bill.
there were debates long ago over the quality of the older c lenses, and the newer k/l lenses. in a nutshell, the only real difference was some extra coatings on the k/l line, although a lot of day to day shooters were not seeing the exact differences.
like with anything, there will be those who trend one way or the other. personally, the c lenses i have (90mm, 180mm, green c) are very nice, sharp lenses, with fabulous contrast and color rendition.
i--personally--think the smc lenses (pentax) have better bokeh, but that's just my personal observation, not some quantifiable difference.
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Patrickth
Posts: 10321
Bellingham, Washington, US
GK photo wrote:
yeah, if you don't use the rb system right, you could be in for a painful repair bill.
there were debates long ago over the quality of the older c lenses, and the newer k/l lenses. in a nutshell, the only real difference was some extra coatings on the k/l line, although a lot of day to day shooters were not seeing the exact differences.
like with anything, there will be those who trend one way or the other. personally, the c lenses i have (90mm, 180mm) are very nice, sharp lenses, with fabulous contrast and color rendition.
i--personally--think the smc lenses (pentax) have better bokeh, but that's just my personal observation, not some quantifiable difference. I am not good enough to worry about that extra silly milimeter of sharpness to be honest. My eyes have gone south like my waistline.
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GK photo
Posts: 31025
Laguna Beach, California, US
Patrickth wrote:
I am not good enough to worry about that extra silly milimeter of sharpness to be honest. My eyes have gone south like my waistline.  either system will do you fine, i'm sure. they didn't sell a billion of these because they were no good.
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Patrickth
Posts: 10321
Bellingham, Washington, US
GK photo wrote:
either system will do you fine, i'm sure. they didn't sell a billion of these because they were no good. Since its analog and I tend to pay models, nobody gets too worried if I blame the lab. If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.
Old political saying I think.
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GK photo
Posts: 31025
Laguna Beach, California, US
Patrickth wrote:
Since its analog and I tend to pay models, nobody gets too worried if I blame the lab. If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.
Old political saying I think. well, since i am the lab, i'm not afforded that luxury. all roads, etc...i believe that was another political quip.
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Patrickth
Posts: 10321
Bellingham, Washington, US
I have a Jobo cpe2 but need to get a decent scanner, then lab will be out of the loop.
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A K - Fine Art Images
Posts: 336
Charleston, South Carolina, US
Patrickth wrote:
I am going to upgrade and just want to know if I will be able to use my 65mm, 90mm and 180mm. I know I have to get new backs, Hi. Thats great about the upgrade. If you'll be shooting with digital backs and want to capture EXIF data, your lens and body will make a difference (must all be digital compatible). If you don't care about EXIF, you're good to go with any lens that mounts. If you don't make a lot of setting changes, you can just write them down.
I've been using 65 and 110 "RB/RZ" lenses on an RZ but haven't tried them all.
The Mamiya website seems only to give specs for current products. You may be able to contact someone who sells those lenses (like B&H used dept or KEH) and ask about compatibility to be sure about all situations and factors.
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AgX
Posts: 2851
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US
Patrickth wrote:
Several reasons, none of them valid I guess.
1. I keep forgetting the sequence to wind cock, fire. So I lose a lot or double exposures.
2. My Pentax 67II is not comfortable to my preferred method of shooting.
3. I really like that 140mm
4. Serious case of G.A.S.
and 5. My sister is paying me to move her to Denver and the $$ is excess to my needs, so going to take a Photo road trip :-) Disagree, all valid reasons! Okay, maybe not the GAS; I'm not going to enable you there.
Those Mamiya 6x7s have excellent pedigrees and reputations, but for the short time that I owned an RB, that double lever system was a serious detriment in my hands.
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Patrickth
Posts: 10321
Bellingham, Washington, US
Just priced everything out on keh the way I want it and came to $500 including shipping. Not too bad at all really.
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Joey
Posts: 457
Orange, California, US
Get the motorized back and end the worries of double or missed exposures
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Patrickth
Posts: 10321
Bellingham, Washington, US
Joey wrote:
Get the motorized back and end the worries of double or missed exposures I included that in specs.
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Joey
Posts: 457
Orange, California, US
If you can find a clean 150 3.5 it's worthwhile and you're not paying a premium for the 140 macro. If you need closer, get extension tubes for the lenses. The tubes have no effect on IQ or aperture, just gets MFD closer. BTW, I have the RZ Pro II and the RB Pro SD. I can use the RB lenses on the RZ with a turn of the shutter dial on th RZ. There's also a 6x6 back for the RZ & provides 120/220 use.
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either system will do you fine, i'm sure. they didn't sell a billion of these because they were no good.