Imageri by Tim Davis wrote:

Really?
I still own my Canon 1Ds MKIII and a 5D MKII.
Image Imagine Imageri

chuckle - as repairable as my Kodak 14n!

John Horwitz wrote:

chuckle - as repairable as my Kodak 14n!

Sorry you bought one of those. Now I know where your idea came from.
-Don

Stephen Fletcher wrote:
Owning a Porsche or Ferrari doesn't make you a Professional Driver.

No, but whether or not the MACHINE is professional has absolutely NOTHING to do with who's using it.

My kid can use a $30k high speed scanner; that doesn't change the fact that the scanner is professional grade even though it's not being used by a professional.

A professional photographer can use a Nikon CoolPix for professional work... but that still doesn't make the CoolPix a professional camera.

The user has nothing to do with whether the item being used is "professional" grade and Vice Versa.

This Ferrari is a professional car... even if you drive it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_F14_T

This Ferrari is not.. even if a pro racecar driver drives it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_458

Teila K Day Photography wrote:
No, but whether or not the MACHINE is professional has absolutely NOTHING to do with who's using it.

My kid can use a $30k high speed scanner; that doesn't change the fact that the scanner is professional grade even though it's not being used by a professional.

A professional photographer can use a Nikon CoolPix for professional work... but that still doesn't make the CoolPix a professional camera.

The user has nothing to do with whether the item being used is "professional" grade and Vice Versa.

This Ferrari is a professional car... even if you drive it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_F14_T

This Ferrari is not.. even if a pro racecar driver drives it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_458

The point that people seem to miss, is that IMAGE QUALITY is the most important criterion, (at least in my opinion). A "professional", (skilled), photographer can use a low resolution, noisy, crap phone camera, OR he/she can use a high end DSLR, with both the resolution, and the clean images that one should expect, and, guess what ? The images from the high end DSLR will look better. Who'd have thunk it ?
-Don

John Horwitz wrote:
ALL digital cameras
   
are

DISPOSABLE CAMERAS

amateur or pro - it makes no difference...in 14 months the lineup changes and your 6k 'pro' camera is in the rubbish pile!

Mix and match...

Rob Photosby wrote:
Answer - all those photographers who think that having a better camera automatically makes them a better photographer

Your camera--of any kind--can be discarded whenever you want. It's foolish/expensive to do so when it's working, but if that's the way you want to operate, it's your option. It's not inherent to the device.

The camera I use as a backup had some servicing done last year, when it was 9 years old. Not under warranty, but still 'factory serviced'. I still use it as a live backup as well as a spare, depending on what I'm shooting. (NOT at high iso, though, and that's why I added another camera to the mix.)

DougBPhoto wrote:

Yeah, that AF-S 35mm f1.8G DX is pretty spendy 

http://nikonpro.com/Renewal-NPS-Equipment-List.pdf

For professionals, it is a pretty easy list, which is kinda the point of NPS.

I have 4 of the lenses and one body...and that'll stay that way because if/when i do get a D810, My D700 will be sold to help pay for it...damn...always one step away.

Christopher Hartman wrote:

I have 4 of the lenses and one body...and that'll stay that way because if/when i do get a D810, My D700 will be sold to help pay for it...damn...always one step away.

I wonder how much longer the D300 is accepted (I should know, but I don't recall), as I know someone who is selling one. 

Cheap way to get you qualified, then just sell both if you go for the D810 and get another qualifying body ...  I think renewals are very two years.

John Horwitz wrote:
ALL digital cameras
   
are

DISPOSABLE CAMERAS

amateur or pro - it makes no difference...in 14 months the lineup changes and your 6k 'pro' camera is in the rubbish pile!

You don't know what you are talking about, but that to be expected when you are trolling.

The consumer cameras change maybe every year, but the higher end are on a much slower cycle. The D800e shipped around April 2012, and was replaced by the D810 in July 2014, 27 months later, but it's still on the list in the OP. Canon's 1 series bodies were on about a 3 year cycle, although it was common to see people using the older models for quite a time. I used a 1Ds III for six years.

Frozen Instant Imagery wrote:

You don't know what you are talking about, but that to be expected when you are trolling.

The consumer cameras change maybe every year, but the higher end are on a much slower cycle. The D800e shipped around April 2012, and was replaced by the D810 in July 2014, 27 months later, but it's still on the list in the OP. Canon's 1 series bodies were on about a 3 year cycle, although it was common to see people using the older models for quite a time. I used a 1Ds III for six years.

And one doesn't have to get a new camera every time a new, "good one" comes out. I am still shooting with a 1DsMkII, and it STILL produces stellar, images, (I only lack clean, high ISO capability).
-Don

Please pardon any typographical errors, I've composed this post on my Windows-based Tablet

IMHO alone;

Ðanny
DBImagery Toronto (Website)
DBIphotography Toronto (Blog On Site)
   
“The vilest deeds – like poison weeds – bloom well in prison air; it is only what is good in man that wastes & withers there.”
~Oscar Wilde

DBIphotography Toronto wrote:
PROFESSIONAL CAMERAS
D4s
D4
D3X

SEMI-PRO CAMERAS
D800E
D800
D810

ENTHUSIAST
D7000
D7100
Df
D610

ENTRY LEVEL
D3100
D3200
D3300
D5300
D5200
D5100

Just because a D800/E qualifies for NPS doesn't make it pro-grade. Ask Nikon for more info, if you believe me a fool. I'm the guy a year or two ago that had exchanges in these fora saying the D7000 was a replacement for the D90. A few guys were ranting & raving until I provided a plethora of links validating my position.

I recently applied for my NPS membership. I have a D4, D800E, and 3 of my 4 NIKKOR lenses are all on that list. I asked how they could 'require' ownership of multiple pro-bodies for someone to qualify, and I was told that current semi-pro bodies as well as current/very recent pro-bodies qualified someone. Here's a link to their requirement-page (in Canada) here: https://help.nikon.ca/app/answers/detai … -in-canada

Nikon's pro-line is the Dx-line. Canon's line is the 1x-line (1D Mk 1/2/3/4 & 1DX). That's why the semi-pro bodies have less features than the pro-bodies. Because they're only semi-pro bodies




IMHO alone;

Ðanny
DBImagery Toronto (Website)
DBIphotography Toronto (Blog On Site)
   
“The vilest deeds – like poison weeds – bloom well in prison air; it is only what is good in man that wastes & withers there.”
~Oscar Wilde

Where did you pull that info from? Nikon-USA lists Nikon D800 as Professional. Oh, wait, you are in Canada. Yeah, that's the problem.

DBIphotography Toronto wrote:
PROFESSIONAL CAMERAS
D4s
D4
D3X

SEMI-PRO CAMERAS
D800E
D800
D810

ENTHUSIAST
D7000
D7100
Df
D610

ENTRY LEVEL
D3100
D3200
D3300
D5300
D5200
D5100

Just because a D800/E qualifies for NPS doesn't make it pro-grade. Ask Nikon for more info, if you believe me a fool. I'm the guy a year or two ago that had exchanges in these fora saying the D7000 was a replacement for the D90. A few guys were ranting & raving until I provided a plethora of links validating my position.

I recently applied for my NPS membership. I have a D4, D800E, and 3 of my 4 NIKKOR lenses are all on that list. I asked how they could 'require' ownership of multiple pro-bodies for someone to qualify, and I was told that current semi-pro bodies as well as current/very recent pro-bodies qualified someone. Here's a link to their requirement-page (in Canada) here: https://help.nikon.ca/app/answers/detai … -in-canada

Nikon's pro-line is the Dx-line. Canon's line is the 1x-line (1D Mk 1/2/3/4 & 1DX). That's why the semi-pro bodies have less features than the pro-bodies. Because they're only semi-pro bodies




IMHO alone;

Ðanny
DBImagery Toronto (Website)
DBIphotography Toronto (Blog On Site)
   
“The vilest deeds – like poison weeds – bloom well in prison air; it is only what is good in man that wastes & withers there.”
~Oscar Wilde

me voy wrote:
Where did you pull that info from? Nikon-USA lists Nikon D800 as Professional. Oh, wait, you are in Canada. Yeah, that's the problem.

I don't think he pulled that from anywhere.  I think that is just his take on how they should be listed.  Nikon USA has updated their site and classified cameras as "Professional," "Enthusiast" and "Entry Level."  There is no "Semi-Professional" category.  He has made that one up himself.

In Canada, on their website, they don't have a ranking system at all.  That is unique to the US website.  My thread was just to point out that Nikon USA has now ranked the cameras and that is the ranking that they gave them.

Rob Photosby wrote:

Answer - all those photographers who think that having a better camera automatically makes them a better photographer

In some way, it does!

me voy wrote:
Where did you pull that info from? Nikon-USA lists Nikon D800 as Professional. Oh, wait, you are in Canada. Yeah, that's the problem.

GPS Studio Services wrote:
I don't think he pulled that from anywhere.  I think that is just his take on how they should be listed.  Nikon USA has updated their site and classified cameras as "Professional," "Enthusiast" and "Entry Level."  There is no "Semi-Professional" category.  He has made that one up himself.

In Canada, on their website, they don't have a ranking system at all.  That is unique to the US website.  My thread was just to point out that Nikon USA has now ranked the cameras and that is the ranking that they gave them.

+1 (kinda)

When I first began having photographic interests in 2008 & 2009, this was how the hierarchy was explained to me (using current models at that time, obviously!). I did view this in the intrawebspace at a number of sites back in 2010 & '11 (when I did the bulk of my core “learning”), and since then I stopped caring. Specifically, I won a nightclub-shooting contract over 2 Cannon 5D Mk2 shooters with a trusty Nikon D90 and a crummy Metz flashgun, but after a month at it I realized that while croppers could produce 'adequate' results consistently with sound photography (better than mine at the time, often), FF bodies could produce *better images just as consistently - better if I improved - and I bought my first FF Nikon (D3). Since then, I don't care much who considers what camera to be of what class. As long as my cameras allow me to feed, house & clothe my wife & I then I'm a happy boy scout  

As an added note, I've since learnt that consistently producing “acceptable” images alone when living in a city with nearly 5 million people does little other than set you up for being asked & harassed for freetography   GPS is kinda right when he says I'm not getting my info from anywhere *current, but I don't have the patience or desire to keep-up with the Jonses' or the latest marketing scheme of the manufacturers. My link was to the NPS requirements page for Canadian membership. I applies when I started shooting portraits with slower ISO Speeds and started seeing green-tinted images, but as I noted in my latest blog-article I've resolved the issue (and explained how). Have a nice night, boys

IMHO alone;

Ðanny
DBImagery Toronto (Website)
DBIphotography Toronto (Blog On Site)
   
“The vilest deeds – like poison weeds – bloom well in prison air; it is only what is good in man that wastes & withers there.”
~Oscar Wilde

Art Silva wrote:

But it DOES! 

it does

GER Photography wrote:
:-))) Pentax RULES!!!!:-)))

How is this relevant? I shoot pentax but this is random.

SB Glamour Photos wrote:

How is this relevant? I shoot pentax but this is random.

Hehe! Simply my often used little jibe to let the N/C boys know they aren't the only game in town.:-)))

GPS Studio Services wrote:

DBIphotography Toronto wrote:
PROFESSIONAL CAMERAS
D4s
D4
D3X

SEMI-PRO CAMERAS
D800E
D800
D810

ENTHUSIAST
D7000
D7100
Df
D610

ENTRY LEVEL
D3100
D3200
D3300
D5300
D5200
D5100

Just because a D800/E qualifies for NPS doesn't make it pro-grade. Ask Nikon for more info, if you believe me a fool. I'm the guy a year or two ago that had exchanges in these fora saying the D7000 was a replacement for the D90. A few guys were ranting & raving until I provided a plethora of links validating my position.

I recently applied for my NPS membership. I have a D4, D800E, and 3 of my 4 NIKKOR lenses are all on that list. I asked how they could 'require' ownership of multiple pro-bodies for someone to qualify, and I was told that current semi-pro bodies as well as current/very recent pro-bodies qualified someone. Here's a link to their requirement-page (in Canada) here: https://help.nikon.ca/app/answers/detai … -in-canada

Nikon's pro-line is the Dx-line. Canon's line is the 1x-line (1D Mk 1/2/3/4 & 1DX). That's why the semi-pro bodies have less features than the pro-bodies. Because they're only semi-pro bodies




IMHO alone;

Ðanny
DBImagery Toronto (Website)
DBIphotography Toronto (Blog On Site)
   
“The vilest deeds – like poison weeds – bloom well in prison air; it is only what is good in man that wastes & withers there.”
~Oscar Wilde

I don't think he pulled that from anywhere.  I think that is just his take on how they should be listed.  Nikon USA has updated their site and classified cameras as "Professional," "Enthusiast" and "Entry Level."  There is no "Semi-Professional" category.  He has made that one up himself.

In Canada, on their website, they don't have a ranking system at all.  That is unique to the US website.  My thread was just to point out that Nikon USA has now ranked the cameras and that is the ranking that they gave them.

Basing on built in grip vs no built in grip really holds no water when you remember the F6, which was the replacement for the F5, had no grip.

Sylvain Denis wrote:
Anyone had problem with their D800 shutting down during a shoot?

2nd D800 that does that to me in 2 years.
Last shoot the LCD was in black and white with up and down vertical lines.
I was freaking out while that happened shooting for a client.
Even shutting down camera image was still there, i had to take battery out and put it back to continue the shoot.

This camera is 1.5 year old and pass the warranty of 1 year.

Sucks!

Sylvain

Haven't seen that yet on my D800E.

I have seen it drop out (go to black) on the screen in a "shot review" though in short order.  Sort of annoying when I try and show the shot to someone and it abruptly turns off.

Maybe some battery issue going on with yours?