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Has anyone seen this one- and did anyone make it all the way through? Is it worth trying to watch? My roommate and I were recommended it and we just tried to watch it.

Honestly, we couldn't even make it through the first 7 minutes without breaking out in hysterical laughter. We're not sure whether or not to try again when we're in less of a weird mood, hence the hope for some advice.

Jul 19 14 04:46 pm Link

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NothingIsRealButTheGirl

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You mean the documentary on Dune called Jodorowsky's Dune? Or Jodorowsky's Dune, itself?

http://jodorowskysdune.com/trailer.html

Jul 19 14 04:49 pm Link

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NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote:
You mean the documentary on Dune called Jodorowsky's Dune? Or Jodorowsky's Dune, itself?

http://jodorowskysdune.com/trailer.html

I have no idea which- I didn't realize there were different versions! The one with the guy talking and people talking about how brilliant of a filmmaker he is.

We made it up through the scene in which the guy (or girl?) is giving birth to a pig...

Jul 19 14 04:50 pm Link

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Frank Lewis Photography

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There was the movie "Dune" back in the 80s. Supposedly it followed the novel pretty closely. I found it to be tedious, but then again I never read the novel.

In 2000, there was a "Dune" miniseries on SciFi Channel, with William Hurt. For me it was difficult to follow. Didn't watch the whole thing.

Jul 19 14 07:45 pm Link

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Stephoto Photography

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Frank Lewis Photography wrote:
There was the movie "Dune" back in the 80s. Supposedly it followed the novel pretty closely. I found it to be tedious, but then again I never read the novel.

In 2000, there was a "Dune" miniseries on SciFi Channel, with William Hurt. For me it was difficult to follow. Didn't watch the whole thing.

I saw the original Dune as well, a while ago big_smile The particular movie I'm talking about is a documentary about an attempt to make Dune, before the Dune we know came out. It's a documentary about the movie that never got made, and apparently the thoughts, ideas, etc. about it. My roommate and I tried to watch it earlier, but it was the strangest thing we've ever seen - we only made it about 7-10 minutes in before we had to turn it off. We're just trying to figure out whether or not we should give it another shot...

Jul 19 14 07:47 pm Link

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Frank Lewis Photography

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I did watch the trailer and Jodorowsky appeared to have good intentions.

Jul 19 14 07:52 pm Link

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Jodorowsky was a genius. Catch El Topo, or Holy Mountain, or Santa Sangre. They'll give you an idea of what to expect from his film making.

Dune was a big fucking mistake. You can see where he was going, but it just didn't work. Great ideas, but no, it didn't work.

Watch Sex in the City instead.

Jul 19 14 08:07 pm Link

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m_s_photo wrote:
Jodorowsky was a genius. Catch El Topo, or Holy Mountain, or Santa Sangre. They'll give you an idea of what to expect from his film making.

That ABKCO box set with Fando Y Lis, The Holy Mountain and El Topo is a must-have.

OP, you should definitely give that documentary a second chance.

Jul 19 14 10:01 pm Link

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DOUGLASFOTOS

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Frank Lewis Photography wrote:
There was the movie "Dune" back in the 80s. Supposedly it followed the novel pretty closely. I found it to be tedious, but then again I never read the novel.

In 2000, there was a "Dune" miniseries on SciFi Channel, with William Hurt. For me it was difficult to follow. Didn't watch the whole thing.

I remember was it Time Magazine...??   Dune...Not Dune...Dumb! It also said..that when the worms appeared...a slinky was more terrifying!

Jul 19 14 11:16 pm Link

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Justin Matthews

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Frank Lewis Photography wrote:
There was the movie "Dune" back in the 80s. Supposedly it followed the novel pretty closely. I found it to be tedious, but then again I never read the novel.

In 2000, there was a "Dune" miniseries on SciFi Channel, with William Hurt. For me it was difficult to follow. Didn't watch the whole thing.

One of the best books I have ever read.. mind blowing, but I can tell you now that the 1984 David Lynch version is very much removed form the book. Not to say that I didn't like that also for different reasons, but nothing the same. The Sci Fi Channel 2000 version is far more faithful to the book.

Jul 20 14 01:02 am Link

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Jerry Nemeth

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Frank Lewis Photography wrote:
There was the movie "Dune" back in the 80s. Supposedly it followed the novel pretty closely. I found it to be tedious, but then again I never read the novel.

In 2000, there was a "Dune" miniseries on SciFi Channel, with William Hurt. For me it was difficult to follow. Didn't watch the whole thing.

I did not like the Dune movie but I liked the Dune miniseries.  I think that I have a dvd of the miniseries.

Jul 20 14 01:03 am Link

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WIP

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Justin Matthews wrote:

One of the best books I have ever read.. mind blowing, but I can tell you now that the 1984 David Lynch version is very much removed form the book.

It would have taken another four years in the making to keep true to the book.
Set design brilliant, story line ok but only if you've read the book before hand.
In all a very difficult film to make.

Jul 20 14 02:38 am Link

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Justin

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I remember seeing an author's forward in an edition of Dune that came out after the 1984 movie. In it, Herbert was saying, "Here's what got filmed but left out of the movie." And I was nodding as I read, yup, yup, yup, that should would've made more sense. Maybe it would've been a four-hour movie, but at least it would've made sense.

But even given the holes in the film, I thought the movie's faithfulness to the book had its limits. For instance, in the book, the "weirding way" was a discipline of combat. In the movie, it was sonic-wave weapons that never appeared in the book. Just as an example. And Kyle MacLachlan playing Paul was sort of like Peter O'Toole playing Lawrence of Arabia. Maybe easy to accept for the right acting chops but a far cry from the original character.

In fairness, I do think a movie of Dune (which I thought was a brilliant book) would be a huge challenge to pull off successfully, even assuming it could be at all. So much of it is based in an explanation of the planet's ecology, background political intrigue, and what's going on in the characters' heads (you can't replicate the impact and nuance of the Voice by electronically changing them to sound like Goa'uld) that would make it very difficult to carry successfully to the screen.

Jul 20 14 05:27 am Link

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Justin Matthews

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WIP wrote:

It would have taken another four years in the making to keep true to the book.
Set design brilliant, story line ok but only if you've read the book before hand.
In all a very difficult film to make.

I agree with you totally, but the fact remains that it is not faithful to the book, because through necessity Lynch had to make changes. Movie length, and simplifying the story for the mass market took its toll.

Oh and lets not forget Sting, why oh why sting.

There is a new version in pre product, and has been for quite some time.
The question is, will the new version in production, A. Ever get completed, B. Remain true to the story.

If they treat it like they have, say Lord of the rings, or the Hobbit and split it over a few movies, then yes they will still have to remove quite a lot, but they may have a better chance of getting it right.

Jul 20 14 06:32 am Link

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Justin Matthews wrote:

I agree with you totally, but the fact remains that it is not faithful to the book, because through necessity Lynch had to make changes. Movie length, and simplifying the story for the mass market took its toll.

Oh and lets not forget Sting, why oh why sting.

There is a new version in pre product, and has been for quite some time.
The question is, will the new version in production, A. Ever get completed, B. Remain true to the story.

If they treat it like they have, say Lord of the rings, or the Hobbit and split it over a few movies, then yes they will still have to remove quite a lot, but they may have a better chance of getting it right.

Really?

Sting and Baron Harkonnen were by far the best actors in the film.

They stole every single scene.

The Sci Fi channel version to me is much, much better.

But the first movie is still watchable.

Jul 20 14 06:36 am Link

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I loved Jodorowsky's Dune.  I have been a fan of his movies since seeing El Topo at a midnight screening during the 1970s.  It was pretty obvious that a madman and/or genius had made Fando Y Lis, The Holy Mountain and El Topo back in the day.  This documentary confirms it.

Jul 20 14 09:02 am Link

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Michael Bots

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Different trailer
Jodorowsky's Dune (2014) - HD Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg4OCeSTL08


IMDB         8.2/10
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1935156/

Rotten Tomatoes       4.2/5
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/jodorowskys_dune/


Ratings are good enough to give the film a try.

Jul 20 14 10:08 am Link

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Andrew Thomas Evans

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Justin Matthews wrote:
The Sci Fi Channel 2000 version is far more faithful to the book.

I got that on dvd way back when. It was a good series, they took their time with the story, and it does follow the book pretty well.

Sure, it's cheesy in spots, but IMO it's one of the better things sci-fi has done.




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Jul 20 14 10:17 am Link

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Justin Matthews

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Andrew Thomas Evans wrote:

I got that on dvd way back when. It was a good series, they took their time with the story, and it does follow the book pretty well.

Sure, it's cheesy in spots, but IMO it's one of the better things sci-fi has done.




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If you enjoyed that, try the follow up mini series that SciFi did called "Children of Dune" . It is Frank Herberts next 2 Dune books "God emperor of Dune" & "Children of Dune" combined. It is my favourite of all the Dune film translations.

Jul 20 14 05:12 pm Link

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Justin Matthews wrote:

If you enjoyed that, try the follow up mini series that SciFi did called "Children of Dune" . It is Frank Herberts next 2 Dune books "God emperor of Dune" & "Children of Dune" combined. It is my favourite of all the Dune film translations.

It is Dune Messiah and Children of Dune that were part of the second mini series.  God Emperor of Dune is about Leto and his transformation to a sand worm as part of the golden path.

My only major complaints with the second mini series are that too many roles were recast and I preferred the casting from the first mini series and I wished they would have continued on to the rest of the books. I mean they had three more of Frank's books and then the two written by Brian following the notes Frank had left just for the main story of Dune.

Jul 22 14 02:47 am Link

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Justin Matthews

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Thomas Art Studio wrote:

It is Dune Messiah and Children of Dune that were part of the second mini series.  God Emperor of Dune is about Leto and his transformation to a sand worm as part of the golden path.

My only major complaints with the second mini series are that too many roles were recast and I preferred the casting from the first mini series and I wished they would have continued on to the rest of the books. I mean they had three more of Frank's books and then the two written by Brian following the notes Frank had left just for the main story of Dune.

I stand corrected, it's been a while and lost track. I must admit that over the years I've read all but the last two Dune books, both Franks and Brians and they have tended to blur a little.

As for the mini series, I still prefer the children of dune series. To me, even though it was compressed heavily and altered to fit the time frame of the series, it captured the essence of the books better and the sound track was almost mesmerizing including inama nushif which was written using established fremen words from the dune books.

Jul 22 14 05:54 am Link

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Amira West

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Pardon my "post writer's block moonshine" talking...

Why don't they make awesome movies like Dune, anymore?
Everything's all candyassed CG and filled with plastic surgery monsters, anymore.

(Not that there's anything wrong with physical enhancements - just commenting on old style effects and natural/raw endowments.)

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Aug 23 14 12:05 am Link

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DEP E510

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Amira West wrote:
Pardon my "post writer's block moonshine" talking...

Why don't they make awesome movies like Dune, anymore?
Everything's all candyassed CG and filled with plastic surgery monsters, anymore.

(Not that there's anything wrong with physical enhancements - just commenting on old style effects and natural/raw endowments.)

People today have grown accustomed to the blockbuster cgi :look."

Even in the 90's, people were asking why movies like Basic Instinct weren't being made anymore? Why was everything starting to become PG-13 and childish?

Hollywood has hit on a formula, make overblown CGI movies, and children and adults alike will be thrilled.

Now, with 3-d back in style, they can make even more money with CGI spectacles.

The more CGI a movie has, the more it astounds people, the more money a studio makes.

And CGI is getting cheaper.

Dune was a different generation, a more heartfelt generation.

But the Sci-Fi channel Dune makes the movie Dune's knife chip and shatter...

Aug 23 14 01:12 am Link

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Saw it.  One of my fav films of last year.  The documentary is about PASSION.  If you are into art or anything of the sort, the story is amazing and the main subject is electric.  Give it another try and be amazed at one man's passion for his project.  I loved it.

Aug 23 14 11:06 am Link