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Bottom Feeder Images

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Portland, Oregon, US

Mad Hatter Imagery wrote:
I mean one photo exposed for 60 seconds versus 60 photos exposed for one second each without delay between them and have all of them "averaged" together colorwise pixel by pixel. And yes lets assume the camera can be adjusted to produce the proper exposure and identical field of focus.

Would the resulting two photos (assuming they were taken at the same time and place in alternate universes that are also identical to one another) be the same?

no but the difference would be minor unless of course as stated earlier there is movement in the frame

Jul 29 14 07:22 pm Link

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Michael Broughton

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Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

Jul 29 14 07:25 pm Link

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Schlake

Posts: 2935

Socorro, New Mexico, US

Ok, so I set up my tripod and pointed a camera at something black.  I dialed it up to ISO H2 (aka unusable) and then I metered it.  It turned out to be 1/250, so at 1/8000 I would have to take 6 shots to get the same amount of light.  I then took six shots at 1/8000 and six shots at 1/250.  Then I wrote a python script to sum and average the jpegs into new jpegs.  No wimpy WYSIAG image editing programs for me!  It was 34 lines, including blank lines and the #! comment at the start.  I could make it shorter, but it is short enough I think.

I posted my experiment at https://infohost.nmt.edu/~schlake/imgmerge/

The two subdirectories have the original jpegs, and resulting jpeg.  The top level directory has the source code.  The jpegs are small jpegs out of my camera.

The sum of six underexposed images is primarily noise with some rough shapes similar to what the picture really looks like.  The average of six properly exposed, but high-noise, images is a cleaner rendition of the image with less noise.

Jul 29 14 10:13 pm Link

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Mad Hatter Imagery

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Buffalo, New York, US

Ok. My point is I don't have a camera that can be exposed for an extended amount of time and I'd like to see night star streaking across the sky for maybe an hour's time or maybe produce an image composed of all light passing through a given scene in 24 hours. If I could rely on shorter exposures I won't need a neutral density filter during day hours.

Jul 30 14 12:53 pm Link

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Schlake

Posts: 2935

Socorro, New Mexico, US

Mad Hatter Imagery wrote:
Ok. My point is I don't have a camera that can be exposed for an extended amount of time and I'd like to see night star streaking across the sky for maybe an hour's time or maybe produce an image composed of all light passing through a given scene in 24 hours. If I could rely on shorter exposures I won't need a neutral density filter during day hours.

I work in a building full of astronomers.  When I mentioned to one my little experiment last night, I got a tremendous amount of information on this kind of stuff.  Apparently this kind of thing is as common to them as caution tape is to us.  For what you say you are doing, head to an astro forum and see if you fare better.

Jul 30 14 02:10 pm Link

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Christopher Hartman

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Buena Park, California, US

Herman Surkis wrote:

Can I borrow/steal this?

Can you pay pal me $100?  If not, you'll have to steal it.

Jul 30 14 02:22 pm Link

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Christopher Hartman

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Buena Park, California, US

Mad Hatter Imagery wrote:
Ok. My point is I don't have a camera that can be exposed for an extended amount of time and I'd like to see night star streaking across the sky for maybe an hour's time or maybe produce an image composed of all light passing through a given scene in 24 hours. If I could rely on shorter exposures I won't need a neutral density filter during day hours.

I guess you might be in luck.  You probably do NOT want to run a 60 minute exposure.  instead, you'll want 60, 1-minute exposures.

Jul 30 14 02:28 pm Link

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Joseph William

Posts: 2039

Chicago, Illinois, US

Christopher Hartman wrote:
Again, I could be completely wrong.


But if you shoot the same thing 60 times and there are no changes in settings or lighting...then why not just take the photo one time and then make 60 copies?  wouldn't that accomplish the same thing?

Trying to wrap my brain around this...

He is talking about stacking the exposures up digitally and adding them all together digitally.  Seems easy enough to test.

Jul 30 14 02:55 pm Link

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Bottom Feeder Images

Posts: 668

Portland, Oregon, US

Mad Hatter Imagery wrote:
Ok. My point is I don't have a camera that can be exposed for an extended amount of time and I'd like to see night star streaking across the sky for maybe an hour's time or maybe produce an image composed of all light passing through a given scene in 24 hours. If I could rely on shorter exposures I won't need a neutral density filter during day hours.

ya know you could have just said that in beginning, yes you can do it, many night time photographers do this to get long star trails and avoid noise from sensor heat up. there are ton of tutorials about how to do it. Including best time of month where to point your camera, settings on camera and post photo shop work

Jul 31 14 09:21 pm Link

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mophotoart

Posts: 2118

Wichita, Kansas, US

is something moving...well, the long exposure will give that and have a different blur then a combination of exposures..if it is a static shot, and going for hdr, well again a different effect...light, and exposure 101....this shot gets the clouds, this one gets the details...what are you going for...have fun and experiment ...beauty of digital...Mo

Jul 31 14 09:34 pm Link

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HV images

Posts: 634

Belfast, Northern Ireland, United Kingdom

Mad Hatter Imagery wrote:
Ok. My point is I don't have a camera that can be exposed for an extended amount of time and I'd like to see night star streaking across the sky for maybe an hour's time or maybe produce an image composed of all light passing through a given scene in 24 hours. If I could rely on shorter exposures I won't need a neutral density filter during day hours.

Easily done!

This is a a night time shot composed of about 150 frames, 30sec each. The color on the stone it was done by manually firing a gelled flash during certain frames.

https://www.hvalladares.com/mm/grg1.jpg

Aug 01 14 06:11 pm Link

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Voy

Posts: 1594

Phoenix, Arizona, US

Mad Hatter Imagery wrote:
What is the mechanical difference between taking a 1 minute long exposure and taking 60 one second exposures end to end and averaging them together in post?

The difference is that one is called "Long Exposure" and the other is called "Multiple Exposures."

Now, can you get both images to look the same? It depends on what you are photographing. So, yeah, it is possible.

Aug 01 14 07:21 pm Link