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yelssingsRetouch

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Miami, Florida, US

I'm sure this is a silly question , But I'm having a hard time figuring which transmitters work with AB lights mainly because I've never used AB's . I have a nikon d800 and wanted to know which trigger would work great? I thought of a Yongnuo rf 603 ?  Would this work?

Aug 18 14 01:03 pm Link

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Brooklyn Bridge Images

Posts: 13200

Brooklyn, New York, US

I would get the AB Cybersyncs not super expensive and supported/made in US
http://paulcbuff.com/cybersync.php

Aug 18 14 01:08 pm Link

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You Can Call Me Pierre

Posts: 800

Loma Linda, California, US

RF-603N would work.

Aug 18 14 01:14 pm Link

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Brian H Photography

Posts: 152

Lake Havasu City, Arizona, US

yelssingsRetouch wrote:
I'm sure this is a silly question , But I'm having a hard time figuring which transmitters work with AB lights mainly because I've never used AB's . I have a nikon d800 and wanted to know which trigger would work great? I thought of a Yongnuo rf 603 ?  Would this work?

pretty much any would work  I use Cactus V5's without any issues for over 4 years, love em

Aug 18 14 01:15 pm Link

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FMfoto

Posts: 1577

Los Angeles, California, US

I've had Alien Bees and Pocket Wizards for close to 15 years now.
Sure, cheaper remote/receiver sets work, but the product built may be flimsy and they have strange battery combos.
I'm very happy with the simple no-nonsense Pocket Wizard Plus X which take 2 AA batteries.  Just set 'em and forget  'em! They now come with the different plugs you need.
They just work!

http://www.amazon.com/PocketWizard-Trig … ard+plus+x

Aug 18 14 01:17 pm Link

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Stephen Fletcher

Posts: 7501

Norman, Oklahoma, US

Oops, wrong item.

Aug 18 14 01:27 pm Link

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wynnesome

Posts: 5453

Long Beach, California, US

I've been using the Pocket Wizard PlusII transceivers for years, and even though there are newer versions out, still love them.  They're in use in both shooting rooms at my studio, included for use with every rental, and what I shoot with myself.

Aug 18 14 01:35 pm Link

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Canvassy

Posts: 209

Saint Paul, Minnesota, US

You Can Call Me Pierre wrote:
RF-603N would work.

+1.  You just need to get the $10 yongnuo ls-pc635 cable to connect the receiver to the AB.

Aug 18 14 01:48 pm Link

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Michael Fryd

Posts: 5231

Miami Beach, Florida, US

yelssingsRetouch wrote:
I'm sure this is a silly question , But I'm having a hard time figuring which transmitters work with AB lights mainly because I've never used AB's . I have a nikon d800 and wanted to know which trigger would work great? I thought of a Yongnuo rf 603 ?  Would this work?

Alien Bee lights will work with just about any trigger.  PocketWizard is an industry standard, and also one of the more expensive choices.

If you stick to the built in flash, or Nikon flash units, you will get fully automatic flash metering and power levels.

A with most studio strobes, you will need to manually set flash power on the Bee, and probably also set your camera body to manual.


You might want to consider Buff's CyberCommander remote trigger system.   This will allow you to remotely change strobe power settings.  The CyberCommander also has a built in flash meter, and a graphical display that can show you the f/stop setting for each light at the currently set power level.

If you are new to studio lighting, and trying out various flash ratios, the CyberCommander can be a big help. 

Remember, when setting flash power, you can't tell the flash ratio by simply comparing flash power settings, unless the flashes have identical modifiers, in identical configurations, and are placed an identical distance from the subject.



The CyberCommander receivers for the Bees are not cheap.  If you don't need the CyberCommander functionality, you can get by with a generic wireless trigger from eBay.

Aug 18 14 03:57 pm Link

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WCR3

Posts: 1414

Houston, Texas, US

There are plenty of good transmitter/receiver pairs and transceivers out there today, and those mentioned above will work fine. Just avoid the temptation to buy really cheap stuff on eBay. I personally use the Paul C. Buff CyberSync transmitter and receiver for my Einstein/AB lights and also when shooting with speedlights.

Aug 18 14 03:59 pm Link

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Photos by Lorrin

Posts: 7026

Eugene, Oregon, US

Paul Buff's simple radio triggers will also work.

As already stated - the choices today are just too many.

The Alien bees have a really good optical trigger and any camera with a built in flash set to manual will trigger the units.

Any flash set to manual will also - I have set the SB*)) it 1/1128th power in a big room and ti triggered the flashes.

If you are shooting inside you might wait until you try a flash as a trigger.

Aug 18 14 04:59 pm Link

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Mike Collins

Posts: 2880

Orlando, Florida, US

Michael Fryd wrote:
The CyberCommander receivers for the Bees are not cheap.  If you don't need the CyberCommander functionality, you can get by with a generic wireless trigger from eBay.

Compared to others, I think they are pretty cheap.  Or at least priced adaquatly.  $89.95 for the CSR+??  That's not exactly breaking the bank.  And unless you need the portable one, the AC version works on, well, AC.  So no need for so many batteries.  All I need is the small disc battery in the Trigger Transmitter.  And it's only $59.95.  I usually need to buy one per year. 

There are cheaper alternatives but like they say, you get what you pay for.  I've had no problems with my CyberSyncs.  I keep adding more.  Got the Commander.  Just don't understand it yet.  smile

Aug 18 14 05:42 pm Link

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AJ_In_Atlanta

Posts: 13053

Atlanta, Georgia, US

The RFs will work with the right cable.  I would go with the industry standard pocket wizards, you can get the basic ones for $89 now so I see no reason to by some expensive clones for the same money.

Aug 18 14 05:50 pm Link

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Michael Fryd

Posts: 5231

Miami Beach, Florida, US

Mike Collins wrote:

Compared to others, I think they are pretty cheap.  Or at least priced adaquatly.  $89.95 for the CSR+??  That's not exactly breaking the bank.  And unless you need the portable one, the AC version works on, well, AC.  So no need for so many batteries.  All I need is the small disc battery in the Trigger Transmitter.  And it's only $59.95.  I usually need to buy one per year. 

There are cheaper alternatives but like they say, you get what you pay for.  I've had no problems with my CyberSyncs.  I keep adding more.  Got the Commander.  Just don't understand it yet.  smile

I agree that the AC version of the CyberSync plus is the way to go.  The Bee is AC powered, and the CyberSync piggybacks off the Bee's power cord.

If you never intend to remotely change power, you don't need the "plus" version.  The regular receivers are about $70 each.   Compare this to about $100 each for PocketWizard or $10 each for a generic version from Amazon.

The PocketWizards seem to have the best reputation and range.  The generics seem to have the best price.

I think the real value of the Buff system is the ability to use the CyberCommander for remote power control.  For these you need the $90 "plus" receivers (or the $30 Einstein version).


I recommend the CyberCommander and the corresponding Buff receivers.  If you don't intend to use remote power setting, then I don't think I would go with a Buff solution.  Either I'd save a lot and buy generics from Amazon, or I'd spend a few dollars more for the industry standard PocketWizard.

Aug 18 14 06:21 pm Link

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Brooklyn Bridge Images

Posts: 13200

Brooklyn, New York, US

I will be the dissenting opinion on Pocket Wizards
I got a set this year after using other brands for several years
I am very unimpressed
Less reliable than other cheaper brands
Performance far below what is claimed
I bought into all the hype now I see its really more of a fan boy deal than anything else

Aug 18 14 06:44 pm Link

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Random Image

Posts: 335

Pocatello, Idaho, US

I know there are better and newer poppers out there, but I am still going strong with my cactus v4's after 3 years.  Just be sure to use quality batteries, every time I have had issues its because I was using off brand/cheap AAA's in the recievers.

Aug 18 14 06:50 pm Link

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Bare Essential Photos

Posts: 3605

Upland, California, US

I strongly recommend Pocket Wizards II or III.

They've worked like a charm and use ordinary batteries.

Aug 18 14 06:51 pm Link

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AJ_In_Atlanta

Posts: 13053

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Brooklyn Bridge Images wrote:
I will be the dissenting opinion on Pocket Wizards
I got a set this year after using other brands for several years
I am very unimpressed
Less reliable than other cheaper brands
Performance far below what is claimed
I bought into all the hype now I see its really more of a fan boy deal than anything else

I can only think you are doing something wrong or somehow got a bad unit...

We have original PWs in a high volume rental studio with 10+ years on them that still always fire.  We have had cheap Chinese and PCB as well, I doubt any made it 5 years.

Aug 18 14 07:11 pm Link

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GM Photography

Posts: 6322

Olympia, Washington, US

I've used Buff's CyberSyncs for many years and prefer the battery powered ones as I also shoot with speedlights often and they work with those also.  The Yongnuos should work and you can't really go wrong if you want to get a pair and try them out.  Had they been around when I bought my lights I would have given them a try.  The CyberSyncs have proven to be bulletproof, they have great range, they're very compact, and they never mis-fire.  One possible downside to the Yongnuo is I think I remember reading somewhere that they don't have a test button.  If you're one of those strange people that use a light meter, you can use a CyberSync trigger to fire your flash remotely with the test button from where you want to take a reading.  I don't think you can do that with the Yongnuo triggers.  That would be a deal killer for me.

Aug 19 14 05:41 am Link

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Sablesword

Posts: 383

Gurnee, Illinois, US

Photos by Lorrin wrote:
Paul Buff's simple radio triggers will also work.

As already stated - the choices today are just too many.

The Alien bees have a really good optical trigger and any camera with a built in flash set to manual will trigger the units.

Any flash set to manual will also - I have set the SB*)) it 1/1128th power in a big room and ti triggered the flashes.

If you are shooting inside you might wait until you try a flash as a trigger.

That's what I do. I've used my D90's built in flash (set to manual on low power), my SB700 (ditto), and a cheap e-bay IR trigger to set off my Alien Bees. But then I shoot in the sort of small spaces where optical triggering works particularly well. And the combination of "KISS" and "cheap" appeals to me.

Aug 20 14 11:34 am Link

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SKITA Studios

Posts: 1572

Boston, Massachusetts, US

if you want to mix w/ speedlights, look at the Radiopopper JrX.  No Einstein support but works fine w/ AB/WLs...

Aug 20 14 11:46 am Link

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glamourandlight

Posts: 199

Calgary, Alberta, Canada

Aug 20 14 12:05 pm Link

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Erasm Roterdam

Posts: 639

Millbury, Massachusetts, US

wynnesome wrote:
I've been using the Pocket Wizard PlusII transceivers for years, and even though there are newer versions out, still love them.  They're in use in both shooting rooms at my studio, included for use with every rental, and what I shoot with myself.

+

Aug 20 14 09:49 pm Link

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Nico Simon Princely

Posts: 1972

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Brooklyn Bridge Images wrote:
I would get the AB Cybersyncs not super expensive and supported/made in US
http://paulcbuff.com/cybersync.php

I'll second that. I have a Cyber Commander and two Cybersyncs and they work great. The cyber commander is NOT the most intuitive device however.

Aug 20 14 10:00 pm Link