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EDIT: I wish the title would have simply been Communication or The Importance of Communication. Oh well, can't change that now. I get this a lot: "I don't come back to check MM much..." Please, if you're one of these models, GIVE ME THE PHOTOGRAPHER A DIFFERENT WAY TO CONTACT YOU. Preferably at the end of the quote above. I've had waaaaaaaaaay too many models say "Awesome, I totally want to work with you." ...and then it's a month before I hear ^^^^ And then I post Here's my info, how should I contact you?...(silence) You see, some of us actually want to get these things done. I understand that many models are here only as a distraction to whatever their normal day is, but some of us want to get the work done and be on with new things. If you want to reverse the roles and say that some photographers don't respond, I don't care. I feel that if MM is "the place for professional models and photographers to collaborate" or whatever that tag line is, then we should at least expect each other to be able to communicate in a somewhat professional manner. Typically responding to messages within a MONTH. Thoughts? Aug 29 14 07:20 pm Link As soon as someone gives me any hint that they're not serious, i just move on. the shoot basics should be worked out in a couple messages, and then contact info exchanged. if not; you should be able to tell if you're not compatible and just move on to the next. maybe theyre making up a reason or excuse? i know slow communication can be frustrating. don't let it get to you. p.s. welcome to the forums, you should probably stop posting in the "model colloquy. especially stuff that sounds like rants. this thread could be in "general" or offtopic (if its a rant like your other thread) Aug 29 14 07:55 pm Link Paolo Diavolo wrote: Originally, I posted in the General Forums. Aug 29 14 08:22 pm Link The best way to deal with the mayhem of Mayhem is to realize that there are a wide variety of people on here. People who are professional, not necessarily doing this as a source of income, and take things seriously and are wonderful at communication. People who are doing this as a hobby or have an agency or another primary way of finding work, can check mm once in a while when they feel like it to find a shoot or two once in a while. People who want to feel validated that someone somewhere wants to shoot them but never actually follow through with shooting. You get the picture... Just keep putting yourself in contact with people and the people who are on the same wavelength as you will eventually catch on to your vibes. Aug 29 14 08:45 pm Link My suggestion is give them your email and ask them to contact you through there. Then, forget about it and keep moving on to the next model. Aug 29 14 09:07 pm Link When I moved to NM about a year ago I discovered a phenomena of the behavior you're describing. At first I was angry and offended...now I just move on. Their loss. Aug 29 14 09:29 pm Link Uhm, everybody is free to do what they want but yeah, it's annoying. perhaps you can try googling them (maybe they have a website...?) or searching on facebook? Aug 30 14 12:46 am Link When photographers post this stuff, I guess it can come across as a rant. Maybe we should have a model begin a thread entitled "Best Practices for a New Model" and have a link to it sent to all new models when they register. It might help. Maybe. Maybe not. Anyway, if it helped a handful of people, it might be worthwhile. No reason why the same thing couldn't be done for new photographers. If MM became known as a great place for new models to come and learn the craft--both the business side (including communication, negotiation, etc.) and the posing side, it would become more valuable to aspiring models and the site as a whole would grow and get better and better. Aug 30 14 04:54 am Link Magda Kulpinska wrote: Most use a pseudonym. Aug 30 14 04:54 am Link Another rant in the modeling forum... Aug 30 14 08:49 am Link Muskopf Photography wrote: Alternate means to communicate me can be found through google by searching my pseudonym. Aug 30 14 08:50 am Link This is why I have taken to sending models a link to my facebook page as an alternative method of contact, sometimes in the first message. I check fb more often than mm and most of them do too. Aug 30 14 09:13 am Link Be understanding & say you 'get it', and here are several ways to contact you. Aug 30 14 09:23 am Link I pass on those MM models who don't log on to their MM account on a regular basis, about 3-4 times a week. Also, I require at least two other ways of contacting the model, like an email address and cell #. Gabby Aug 30 14 10:13 am Link Cayleigh Chaos wrote: Could you see it as a suggestion that new models may want to consider? Aug 30 14 10:38 am Link I am not sure if you are saying models should put their e-mail on their profile or not. In case you are here is my response:Bad idea. Why? Spam, scams, etc. I don't deal with people who won't communicate with me like it's expected. I do not have time to waste with people who are not serious. I suggest you do the same. As for working with "new models", why are you doing this? New means clueless in most cases. Save yourself a lot of grief and work with people who know what they are doing. Aug 30 14 11:29 am Link Muskopf Photography wrote: Aug 30 14 11:34 am Link If someone doesn't answer you, move on. If you come to MM expecting everyone to behave like agency models pouring all their attention into networking and shooting you're going to be disappointed. Maybe they don't regularly model, maybe they don't like your work, maybe they're busy with other stuff and don't feel like answering until they are available. Whatever the reason getting all ranty about it isn't going to help you or anyone else on here. Some people answer messages and some don't because of whatever reason. Just move on and find someone else. Aug 30 14 11:57 am Link Muskopf Photography wrote: Maybe photographers want to consider it too. The title and that its in this specific forum and the way it was said sounded ranty, but maybe thats just to me. I guarantee this isnt a model only problem Aug 30 14 01:47 pm Link Aug 30 14 01:49 pm Link Muskopf Photography wrote: Unofficially, this is the second most popular complaint from photographers. The most popular? The omnipresent "flake" thread. Aug 30 14 02:10 pm Link Or you could just work with people with solid shit in their ports, tags, comment count and involvement in the whole thing. OTOH, it is EXTREMELY cumbersome to get messages like 'let's shoot' or 'I really wanna work with you, let me know when you come my way and what you wanna shoot.' and then extract actual information about an actual project that someone is really going to do. mmmmkay? PS: "models" who want the job, will know how to get the job. Maybe it's a hint thingy..you know, ignoring stuff makes it go away and such... Aug 30 14 03:02 pm Link Amadea T wrote: Hi there Aug 30 14 03:04 pm Link DougBPhoto wrote: *chucks whip in corner of room* Aug 30 14 03:05 pm Link Muskopf Photography wrote: Even professionals get busy sometimes. Aug 30 14 03:09 pm Link |
