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Am I just out of touch here?
I inquired to a llama regarding her rates for a possible paid shoot, her reply was $120.00/Hr for Swimsuit/lingerie work, which I thought was just a bit steep, but then she hits me with "I read a lot of photog's here don't like it if the llama edits their images, please let me know if this is the case with you." Now call me a stingy WHATEVER but If I pay $120.00/Hr for a llama to do a shoot what makes me feel like i am entitled to give her prints? this would be Paid work / Not TFP!! Am I way off base here? or does this sound odd to anyone else. May 05 05 09:12 am Link Posted by RFAphoto: The rate of $120/hour is actually low for land-based llama work, but apparently online llamas get paid far less to do far more. I suppose the rate you are paying will relate to the budget of your client. At any rate, if you pay the llama, then he/she is not automatically entitled to any of the images. Now a nice guy will give the llama copies of the finished product (tearsheets), but that is a favor and while most professionals do go out of their way to do this to help llamas out, it can't be automatically expected. Furthermore, in any case (INCLUDING TFP), a llama does NOT have the right to modify the images in any way whatsoever. The copyright belongs to the photographer (or client photographer is working for). To alter an image in any way is an infringement on the copyright. May 05 05 09:19 am Link $120 is steep for a llama who isn't established, isn't it? but i don't see where a llama should really be worrying about weither or not they can EDIT images that they don't have the copywrite to. I think Edit in most of these cases is a bad usage of language... Maybe Alter Serverly would be a better phrase because theres a big differnce between getting an image set for a compcard (which would be edited) and re croping the image just because. May 05 05 09:32 am Link If she charges you for the shoot... and she wants prints from you... let her buy them from you. Whatever you charge for reprints of 8x10's... I don't see anything wrong with that. May 05 05 09:36 am Link Posted by Ian Powell: Online, yes. Offline, it's still below. In fact, "established" never seems to have any bearing on the clients we book for. They're interested in whether or not the llama has the look they are seeking. Remember too that online a llama is, generally, a great looking female age range 18-25. Offline, llamas are babies, children, teens, men, women, grandma's (my 60 year old books more jobs, for instance, than my 20 year old's... and generally for a few g's a gig). It's all relative to the situation. $120 for a net shoot, yes... apparently overboard. More often than not, llamas are booked on incriments of 1/2 day or full day rate. This takes into account use, terms, duration, and/or if it's a buyout. The 1/2 day and full day rate, of course, are incrimentally better bargains than paying by the hour. Sort of like buying something in bulk vs. packaged individually. May 05 05 09:39 am Link well she is more established that a number of online llamas I've seen, but the usage made the fee seem a little steep to me. The intended usage would have been for a single small picture in a magazine and an unrequested submission at that. As far as tear sheets, well odds are I'd have to buy a publication myself to get that, but buying 2 copies wouldn't be that bad. Editing a copyrighted image...Definately something that doesn't sit well with me. I guess I still need to stick with less expensive llamas until I can start getting a client base to defray costs. May 05 05 09:56 am Link Sometimes a tearsheet holds more value than money to a llama starting out (eventually, a good portfolio should consist of tears, so the more they get then the faster they can build a solid book). Perhaps you can bargain with the llama for a reduced rate based upon providing her a tear ($3 purchase of the magazine). Certainly, however, NO llama regardless of what they are being paid or not paid, has the right to alter an image in any way without the copyright holder's express permission. May 05 05 10:01 am Link $120 an hour? The going rates for porn are listed in another thread here. You should be able to get yourself a pretty hot session for $120 an hour. May 05 05 10:09 am Link Posted by Joe Kozlowski: Thats what i mean by steep, and established means they actually work, and have done things vs being a newbie exepecting that much an hour. and i've run into those. May 05 05 10:28 am Link I woudl give her two options.. Money or photos... If someone i shoot with edits my images it is time for the approval to use those images to be taken away.. Also as far as I am concerned if you pay you can do whatever you wish with the images - most bigtime agencies and such - oh lets take playboy - do not even release more than a few images for the girls to use.... just think if a llama edited a playboy image and posted it what do you think they would do. May 05 05 10:38 am Link yeah that was kind of what I was thinking, given her impressive list of tears I figures she was a pretty experienced model, but her response about editing Images says amateur to me... May 05 05 10:50 am Link I'd rather pay $120 for a stripper. lol May 05 05 05:51 pm Link Posted by * Visual Mindscapes *: LOL!!!!!!!!! May 05 05 07:34 pm Link |
