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I was checking some models info for possible TFCD shoot this year. Most of these models will do TFP/TFCD with select professional photographers. Why do they ask for this? Did they have bad experiences with the photographer? Any comment? Apr 21 07 08:55 am Link Melvin Aber Photography wrote: Cause certain photographers aren't the model's' style. Just because a photographer does great work doesn't means that fits the model's style. Image if the photographer only do nude while the model is only interested in fashion. Apr 21 07 09:00 am Link I just means they won't shoot with you. Or at least that's what they always tell me. LOL Apr 21 07 09:02 am Link It's their way of saying that they are choosy about who they shoot with. A trade shoot has to be worth the model's time and not everyone can deliver. I'm a little picky about who I'll do a trade shoot with too. I've turned down more trade shoots than I've actually agreed to over the last few months. Apr 21 07 09:09 am Link ChanStudio wrote: Yes, I can see that. Thanks! Apr 21 07 09:13 am Link I tell all the models i work with to put this in their portfolio's, keeps the porn mails to a minimum and kinda says "if you suck, dont bother" especially for nude work. Apr 21 07 09:30 am Link Jeff Cohn::X-Pose.net:: wrote: I suck and I'll still try. Apr 21 07 09:37 am Link Jeff Cohn::X-Pose.net:: wrote: Do you really think that works? Models I've heard from still get that crap. Apr 21 07 09:43 am Link Because they only want to do TFP with someone they think will give them images that will benefit them. There is a cruel reality here, there are a great many photographer here who are simply legends in their own minds (I hate the term GWC). Beyond that, there are some photographers that are totally competent but their style won't meet the goals of the model. The bottom line is that models are free to do TFP/TFCD with whoever they want. They are also free to say "no" to whoever they want. Don't take it too seriously or you will get old before your time. Apr 21 07 09:44 am Link Well said, Alan. Apr 21 07 10:33 am Link Alan from Aavian Prod wrote: Word. Apr 21 07 10:35 am Link Melvin Aber Photography wrote: cause some photogs suck...and they dont want to waste time shooting with sucky photogs. Apr 21 07 10:36 am Link Moral of the Story: Both models AND photographers need to be selective about who they work with if they want to be taken seriously. With that said. I think alot of people, both models AND photographers, take themselves a bit too seriously... Apr 21 07 10:40 am Link If you like her looks then ask. If the model "select" you, then good. If not, well move on to the next. Based on my experience, most local models choose photographers, not from the quality or style of their work, but from the reputation and percieved advantage socially of shooting with a particular photographer. That is, photographers who are known and popular in their limited circle of friends and acquaintances. Apr 21 07 10:41 am Link Johnny Panzo wrote: CarlMaiorinoPhotography wrote: this is true... Apr 21 07 10:42 am Link Because they think it sounds professoinal and gives the perception that they're beating off shoots left and right. "I'm very picky who I shoot with..." It's a little redundant to me. Of course you're only going to accept tfp with select photographers. Would one ever accept tfp from a photographer they didn't select? Apr 21 07 10:43 am Link I read "select professional photographers" as "people who will give both a fancy name on my resume and nice images in my port." This is basically a way of not only telling the GWCs to buzz off, but also to give the same message to non-professionals with decent work. Apr 21 07 10:57 am Link Eric wrote: its not fool proof, but its a filter at least Apr 21 07 11:00 am Link for the same reason I ask for models that are 5 foot 7 inches or above, with perfect skin teeth and hair. We all have our standards, select is code word for not crappy Star Apr 21 07 11:06 am Link The Don Mon wrote: I know what you mean, the same true with a model. Apr 21 07 11:45 am Link Melvin Aber Photography wrote: Because something is available to you doesn't mean you are required or obligated to accept it. Apr 21 07 11:49 am Link Some models realize that they are struggling to look good on camera. They are searching for a photographer who can make them look much better than they really look. Which is fine. Apr 21 07 11:56 am Link Star wrote: Exactly.. I'd rather work with photographers who can really adjust something to my profile, on a way that I adore.. But what stunning photographers are in my opinion, could be bad photographers in someone else's opinion.. Thats the great thing about taste Apr 21 07 12:05 pm Link Melvin Aber Photography wrote: It is practically a meaningless phrase. To me it means that they are open to trades with photographers that they think will benefit their portfolio. Duh. Who wouldnât? Apr 21 07 12:17 pm Link I wish I could shoot with everyone who asks cuz I love to shoot, but I never get upset with a photog who doesn't want to shoot with me cuz I know it's that I don't fit his port or he just doesn't need any port updates. I can't get mad, hurt or upset, it is business. I respect that. I just ask for the same in return. Apr 21 07 02:03 pm Link Alan from Aavian Prod wrote: At least some models will have the good graces to let photographers know UP FRONT that they don't want to TFCD with them right now. It certainly beats the alternative. (my personal peeve is models who say "Yes let's shoot" and set a date, then either cancel last minute or not show up at all) Apr 21 07 02:11 pm Link Melvin Aber Photography wrote: It's because I only do TFP/TFCD with "select" professional models. Nothing wrong with that! Apr 21 07 02:15 pm Link See, I wish I didn't suck so these models would work with me lol Apr 21 07 02:23 pm Link Patrick Walberg wrote: It's the "professional" part of the statement that's a problem for me: both from photographers and for models. "We'll only work with select PROS" is basically saying "we don't care how you (the amateur model) look or how your (the talented kid/hobbyist/student) work looks, I just want the name of a supermodel/star photographer on my resume and don't care about images at all" I suspect I'm right, but if I'm not why not just say "Shoot TFP/TFCD with select photographers/models" and leave the whole money thing out of it? Is there anyother reason to view professional status as something as important as talent and skill level? Apr 21 07 03:06 pm Link My ex had a t-shirt which said "I do, but not with you", and she meant it. Sentiment is the same, it's stated to give the model an out. Apr 21 07 03:47 pm Link Because that terminology was in the profile of the last model they looked at. Apr 21 07 06:24 pm Link Melvin Aber Photography wrote: I've tried different wordings on my portfolio to get the message across that I can't do tfp/cd on a regular basis but only once in a blue moon with people whose work I find extraordinary. Apr 21 07 06:54 pm Link Thanks for all your comments on this issue. Most models would say in their profile, " will do tfp/tfcd depending on the assignments" and thats their rights as for photographers too. Business is business. Apr 21 07 08:34 pm Link Michael Pandolfo wrote: Best, and truest, post in this thread. Apr 21 07 11:00 pm Link I say that because sometimes I cant afford to do TFP/CD... gotta pay the bills  Apr 21 07 11:20 pm Link Jeff Cohn::X-Pose.net:: wrote: Bwahahahahah!!! You tell them that? Talk about irony. Apr 21 07 11:35 pm Link There's nothing wrong in being selective. Apr 22 07 05:35 am Link I think being selective is the best way to build up your portfolio and improve your work. As a photographer, aren't you selective about which models you spend time shooting? I know people say that the "challenge" is bringing out the inner beauty in everyone. The harsh reality is though that most of us are not good enough to do that so we select. Gary Apr 22 07 05:52 am Link I think that there are some begining models that shouldn't be too picky. Some models are delusional. Here's a piece of advice to new / inexperienced / beginner model : If you start out, don't contact an experienced photographer and expect that just because you contact a photographer means that they are willing to work with you. It doesn't work that way. Don't expect that a camera phone portfolio is going to get you through the door either. It might look cute when you shot it, but it's crap to us. Being pretty doesn't make you a good model. Some photographers, including me, would rather work with a less attractive model who are dedicated and serious than pretty girl. Good models know how to turn it on in front of the camera. Pretty girl looks good in pictures sometimes, but that act gets old very quick. Apr 22 07 06:06 am Link I only shoot tfp/tfcd and I'm only paid if the photographer is offering.....But, I mostly shoot with people whose style is similar to mine. Unless it's a friend with a special request, I won't just do some commercial type stuff. I like more edgier work. 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