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What is "implied nudity"?
In a lot of the bios here, models say they're OK with "implied nudity". Would some of you give me some examples of it? Would body painting fit the definition? (Or is body painting "implied clothing"?) Thanks, Eric Jun 04 05 11:08 am Link IT is based alot on what the model thinks as "implied" nudity is - clarify before you setup a shoot. As long as she and you are comfortable it should be fine. I personally don't do nude work. The few times I have shot nudes, stratigically placed items (fruit, hands and shadows) imply the nudity was there - even though they may not have been nude. (EG - BITE on my profile page - she looks nude but was wearing a tube top extremely low.) Jun 04 05 11:20 am Link I would say body painting is considered implied. Though most would consider implied as a nude with her hands, arms or strategically placed items or hair covering the naughty bits!! Like Hailey says, clarify what her definitions are before the shoot so there are no surprises. I've encountered models who are comfortable with topless but don't do nudes. Jun 04 05 11:32 am Link Posted by Eric P: An example would be to take the bra off and hold the hands in front of the breasts to cover. Either show me the titties or keep the bra on Jun 04 05 11:33 am Link Most times implied nudity is what the the others said. Naked or topless but covered up, or made to look naked or topless. They are also right about always making sure what they mean by implied nudity. I have had at least one shoot that when we scheduled it was going to include implied nudity, but then went to topless because the model got comfortable with me and went the extra step. Jun 04 05 11:46 am Link Just to be my little lovable lawyer self, I will offer my own definitions for some applicable terms: # Implied Nude: Im not taking my clothes off, but I will allow you to take pictures of me which dont show any clothing, implying that I am not wearing any. # Hidden or Covered Nude: I will allow you to take pictures of me not wearing any actual clothing, but with some sort of opaque drape or prop (possibly including my limbs) covering a given area including my naughty bits. # Sheer: I will allow you to take pictures in which my naughty bits are somewhat visible through a transluscent material, the exact opacity of the material to be negotiated. # Semi-nude: I will allow you to take pictures of me in which my breasts and possibly my behind are visible at the same time as my face. Note that this does not go by volume of skin exposed, as a model wearing a bikini is a lot closer to nude than a model wearing a catsuit with the naughty bits cut out, but the first isnt even semi-nude and the second probably equates to at least nude on the rating scale. These are from "Types of Nude Photography" on my website at: http://www.marcwphoto.com/nudetypes.html I would call body painting a variety of "sheer," myself. M Jun 04 05 02:17 pm Link Implied nudity is my hand, oops, I meant her hand covering her tits. Jun 04 05 02:28 pm Link Just remember that most models that say implied is ok - rarely understand that she will have to be naked in front of you the photogrpaher.... Also most are very timid with implied - i much rather use a model used to being topless or full nude for implied work as their comfort level is much higher. Jun 04 05 03:31 pm Link Posted by StMarc: Marc this I think is the best most concise definition of the terms as I have come to know them through the years. Thank you. Jun 04 05 03:40 pm Link Hey there!! If my hands are over my eyes while taking the photo........ is that "covered nude"?? Jun 04 05 03:43 pm Link Posted by Eric P: I think of this as "implied nudity," and some but not all models agree. If the model has said "implied nudity," I go over the shot first to see if it's OK. Jun 04 05 04:47 pm Link As a few others have said, I normally won't bother because many models who will work at the implied level are so rigid and nervous that the shots are garbage. Better to just keep them dressed. Ironically, an experienced full-nude model can often do beautiful implieds, because she's relaxed and flowing, so the strategic hand or shadow adds a sense of mystery. That perhaps defines the difference; for me, implied is fine if it adds to the artistic merit of an image. But if the intent is just to tease in the sense that some of the magazines aimed at post-adolescent males do it... sorry, not my market, not my interest. I don't really care what pervs think of my work, and it's not aimed at them. Jun 04 05 05:11 pm Link Oddly enough it is one area where being a girl really works out in my favor - girls don't care if they are nude in front of me. They assume I have all the same parts and don't put up a fuss about it. I have also learned that not doing nudes on a regular basis makes a model I have worked with a number of times more willing when I have a special project. All the nudes I have ever done have been for special causes because I think you can do so much more with clothes than nudes... Jun 04 05 05:20 pm Link While I don't have Hailey's full advantage, being X-chromosome deficient, what I tell models who are going to peel most or all of the way is "I'm married: you don't have anything I haven't seen before." It's an old line, it's a corny line, but it seems to diffuse the tension most of the time.  I also am very careful about *not* looking at the model when she's adjusting her cover if we're doing a covered nude. I don't make a big deal out of it and dramatically turn my back, I just casually fiddle with my camera or look at the lights or something until I can feel that she's ready. Under my system, incidentally, all of Justin's examples are covered or hidden nudes or perhaps to be absolutely pedantic about it, the last one is a covered semi-nude. DJ Foothill, thanks for the compliment. I agree: to me the bright line is "clothes," not what you can see, although there is always some room for argument. For instance, I'd call my Girls in Towels project pics glamour or possibly a variety of lingerie picture. The girls are wearing panties most of the time under the towels: I specifically tell them beforehand, "Go ahead and leave your panties on if you like, I don't want any part of you that would normally be covered by your panties to be visible in the picture anyway." While under my system these would be covered nudes, the towels are arranged in such a way that I'd consider them clothing. M Jun 04 05 08:27 pm Link to Me implied nudity would be wearing a fishnet or mesh top w/ pasties or fetish tape over the nipples.or no top but covering the nips w/ the hands. things of that nature.and hmmm body painting I would consider implied not semi really since your exposed yet covered at the same time. those are the types of things I'm comfterable with and those are the things I define as "implied nudity".anyone I work with knows off the bat that I don't do nudity.but to those who do nudity more power to them. xxx MP Jun 04 05 08:41 pm Link The funny thing about implied nudity is that underneath that sheet wrapped around her body, she IS nude and people can tell she IS nude. So, hmm. Jun 04 05 08:54 pm Link Well it seems to have gotten scrambled over the years. Implied used to mean the model was NOT nude but they looked nude. I.E. a model sitting in a bath tub with bubbles looking like she is bathing when she is actually wearing a swimsuit. What many people now call "implied" we used to call a block or blocked shot. I.E. the model IS actually nude but there is something keeping you from seeing the "R-rated" bits. It becomes problematic in that implieds, are plagued with "nipple slips" which then is reliant upon the integrity of the photographer not to get into the wild. The only way to do a true implied is to use "honesty buttons" as I call them and put round band-aides or some other type of tape over the nipple to prevent a slip. If a photographer wants to shoot an implied but balks at an "honesty button" - it's probably not about the implied. I personally think it looks a little silly for a beautiful woman to be holding her own breasts but done tastefully, it can be sexy. My two cents. Jun 04 05 08:59 pm Link Posted by StMarc: I use a different variation of the same. "I shoot porn. Believe me you don't have anything I haven't seen, or touched" LOL. Posted by StMarc: Believe it or not that is when I get my best shots, when they are not aware of me or the camera and are doing something else. Posted by StMarc: Yeah towels are clothing. To me if she's naked but covering up then it isn't implied anything. She's naked but covering up. Jun 04 05 09:00 pm Link Actually, on the net, there is an ongoing falacy concerning "impied" nudity. What is usually called implied nudity is traditionally 'covered' nudity. According to definitions which go back long before anyone ever thought of the intrernet, "implied" nudity is a photo in which the model appears to be nude, but in reallity may or may not be nude. It can't really be determined in the photo whether or not she is actually nude. The second traditional catagory is the "covered" nude. In the covered nude, the model is obviously nude, but the 'parts' are covered by hands, fabrics, props or whatever, so they are not seen in the photo. In an 'implied' nude, the model may or may not actually be nude. In a 'covered' nude, she is nude, hut the parts are covered and not visible. The question is subtle. Is the nudity implied or is it covered? On the net the distinctions are often not terribly important. But if you try to hire a model from a mainstream agency, there is a major difference. Body paint? Who the hell knows, it's whatever you want to call it. This is an 'implied' nude, is she naked or not?  Jun 04 05 09:34 pm Link Thank you, Doug. Jun 04 05 10:02 pm Link Posted by DJ Foothill: Posted by StMarc: Believe it or not that is when I get my best shots, when they are not aware of me or the camera and are doing something else. Oh, absolutely you get *great* shots when the model doesn't think you're looking - or, more importantly, isn't thinking about you looking. I have an absolutely delightful picture of a model adjusting her sandal strap - she's all curled up so she can reach it, she has a look of concentration on her face, it's beautiful. She noticed it was loose while I was fiddling with the camera. I looked up, I saw her, I shot. It was reflexive. She was upset that I took the picture because "she wasn't ready." (Amateur model, first photo shoot.) But she changed her mind when she saw the pic. Jun 04 05 10:31 pm Link Thanks, everyone. I think it's probably safe to interpret it as "I wouldn't be comfortable spending a couple of hours having paint applied to my skin". Actually, I have a regular spiel I give to potential models to scare away the ones who haven't thought about the actual process of applying the paint. It works really well. Too well! Eric Jun 05 05 11:15 am Link I think it also counts if they're wearing a thong or some such thing that gets edited out later so it looks like they were naked during the shoot, but they weren't really. Jun 05 05 10:42 pm Link > Which is why I will only do these with photographers I trust 110%. I know a few girls who've signed a model releases, done "implied" nudes, then discovered their pink bits spread all over the web months later. Not cool. Jun 08 05 01:04 am Link |
