azzara wrote:
I think what everyone means when thay say "REAL" is "Good"

...hence, they lack the intelligence to use the appropriate term.

You, Azzara are clearly a smart one though!

Sita Mae wrote:
Barf!

Thats what I just did bc someone told me I was too "thick" to be a "real" model.

Thanks Sita, you've inspired me. Your cooler than winterfresh gum!

Karen D wrote:
I Totally Agree!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for Putting That Out There, You Got a Way with Words

A-M-E-N

Andrea Leigh wrote:
...hence, they lack the intelligence to use the appropriate term.

You, Azzara are clearly a smart one though!

OR the honest one! There is also something missing to the whole subject. Since digital, sites like this, etc EVERYBODY is a "model" and a "photographer" so people dont REALLY KNOW how to distinguish between the two. EVERYBODY takes pictures so ALMOST EVERYBODY (general population) doesn't get it. The first 15 years of my career, my father didn't get what I did. He would ask me if I was  "Still chasing those rock bands. Why don't you get a job like your brother, with benefits" It wasnt until he saw an image of mine of Anne Miller--old Hollywood, that he was impressed and said "You shot ANNE MILLER!! She was big when he was a teen and could now put what I do into perspective. Other than that, Not EVERYBODY who came here from Myspace deserves either term.

reebound wrote:

Thank you.

I think I am in love with you!!!!!!!!!
I am also so sick of the editoral models,rail thin models, and the photographers who shoot them, thinking they have "modeling" covered.
its bullshit..and you totally have my support. If anyone gives u s...in this post....I have ur back completely.
YOU ROCK!1

Sita Mae wrote:
I'm so fucking sick of that phrase.  Usually it's seen in conjunction with totally random and subjective qualifiers, such as, "Only girls who do fashion are REAL models."  Or, "You're only a REAL model if you make X amount of dollars" in which X is defined as some utterly random number, or "Only nude models are REAL models."

Guess what, kids?  If you model, you're a REAL model.

The old wrinkly lady who does denture ads is a REAL model.  The fat guy who sits for art classes is a REAL model.  Fashion models are REAL models. 

If you want to say something meaningful that actually narrows down the field, try "full-time" model, or maybe "paid" or "agency signed" or "published" or something else that actually describes what you're talking about.

"REAL" is about as meaningful as "edgy."

Barf!

SUSTAINED! 

Such a relief to see clear air through all the "smoke & mirrors" in the forums.  I think I just found a new Hero!

Sita Mae wrote:
I'm so fucking sick of that phrase.  Usually it's seen in conjunction with totally random and subjective qualifiers, such as, "Only girls who do fashion are REAL models."  Or, "You're only a REAL model if you make X amount of dollars" in which X is defined as some utterly random number, or "Only nude models are REAL models."

Guess what, kids?  If you model, you're a REAL model.

The old wrinkly lady who does denture ads is a REAL model.  The fat guy who sits for art classes is a REAL model.  Fashion models are REAL models. 

If you want to say something meaningful that actually narrows down the field, try "full-time" model, or maybe "paid" or "agency signed" or "published" or something else that actually describes what you're talking about.

"REAL" is about as meaningful as "edgy."

Barf!

*Applauds* Thank you!

I heart you!

Sita Mae wrote:
If you want to say something meaningful that actually narrows down the field, try "full-time" model, or maybe "paid" or "agency signed" or "published" or something else that actually describes what you're talking about.

Now you have a topic....


Oh and you forgot about the old lady screaming for "Where's the Beef"

KRISTINAmichelle wrote:

Thats what I just did bc someone told me I was too "thick" to be a "real" model.

Thanks Sita, you've inspired me. Your cooler than winterfresh gum!

Wait, what?

Too "thick?" You?

Looking at your measurememnts, I would hardly call you "thick." God.

Agreeing with Sita, it doesn't matter anyway, but still.

Christopher Hartman wrote:
Kind of like "real" actors.  The truth is, anyone acting is a "real" actor.  Some of them are really good, most are average, and many suck.

Same with models.  If you're the subject of a photo session, you're a model. I say session because if some guy comes up and takes your picture seemingly at random, you're not really modeling.  You're just a subject in that moment.  But if you're doing this and that and that during a series of photos, you're modeling.

However, what kind of model you are varies.

You suck
You're average
You've got potential
You're pretty good
You fucking rock the house

I'm sure people can add to the list.  They are ALL real models.

I agree with Sita.

I see I that I wrote what I already wanted to write 2 months ago!!!  Damn...I'm STILL brilliant!

Sita Mae wrote:
Guess what, kids?  If you model, you're a REAL model.
"REAL" is about as meaningful as "edgy."

True dat on both accounts!!!

Sita Mae wrote:
I'm so fucking sick of that phrase.  Usually it's seen in conjunction with totally random and subjective qualifiers, such as, "Only girls who do fashion are REAL models."  Or, "You're only a REAL model if you make X amount of dollars" in which X is defined as some utterly random number, or "Only nude models are REAL models."

Guess what, kids?  If you model, you're a REAL model.

The old wrinkly lady who does denture ads is a REAL model.  The fat guy who sits for art classes is a REAL model.  Fashion models are REAL models. 

If you want to say something meaningful that actually narrows down the field, try "full-time" model, or maybe "paid" or "agency signed" or "published" or something else that actually describes what you're talking about.

"REAL" is about as meaningful as "edgy."

Barf!

I love you. AMEN SISTER!

Sita Mae wrote:
"REAL" is about as meaningful as "edgy."

More meaningful, but less useful.

The label real model (or real photographer) is just an attempt to stigmatize people. 'Real' carries the connotation that it's the only legitimate option, and everything else is fake, in effect insulting everything else.

'Edgy' simply doesn't mean anything.

Sita Mae wrote:
I'm so fucking sick of that phrase.  Usually it's seen in conjunction with totally random and subjective qualifiers, such as, "Only girls who do fashion are REAL models."  Or, "You're only a REAL model if you make X amount of dollars" in which X is defined as some utterly random number, or "Only nude models are REAL models."

Guess what, kids?  If you model, you're a REAL model.

The old wrinkly lady who does denture ads is a REAL model.  The fat guy who sits for art classes is a REAL model.  Fashion models are REAL models. 

If you want to say something meaningful that actually narrows down the field, try "full-time" model, or maybe "paid" or "agency signed" or "published" or something else that actually describes what you're talking about.

"REAL" is about as meaningful as "edgy."

Barf!

::kneels down and praises the floor Sita walks on::

I'm so sick of people coming up to me and saying "You say your a model but your not on any ads or anything...so eventually your not a model"

Sita Mae wrote:
I'm so fucking sick of that phrase.  Usually it's seen in conjunction with totally random and subjective qualifiers, such as, "Only girls who do fashion are REAL models."  Or, "You're only a REAL model if you make X amount of dollars" in which X is defined as some utterly random number, or "Only nude models are REAL models."

Guess what, kids?  If you model, you're a REAL model.

The old wrinkly lady who does denture ads is a REAL model.  The fat guy who sits for art classes is a REAL model.  Fashion models are REAL models. 

If you want to say something meaningful that actually narrows down the field, try "full-time" model, or maybe "paid" or "agency signed" or "published" or something else that actually describes what you're talking about.

"REAL" is about as meaningful as "edgy."

Barf!

YAY! Right on!!!

Michael

Sita Mae wrote:
I'm so fucking sick of that phrase.  Usually it's seen in conjunction with totally random and subjective qualifiers, such as, "Only girls who do fashion are REAL models."  Or, "You're only a REAL model if you make X amount of dollars" in which X is defined as some utterly random number, or "Only nude models are REAL models."

Guess what, kids?  If you model, you're a REAL model.

The old wrinkly lady who does denture ads is a REAL model.  The fat guy who sits for art classes is a REAL model.  Fashion models are REAL models. 

If you want to say something meaningful that actually narrows down the field, try "full-time" model, or maybe "paid" or "agency signed" or "published" or something else that actually describes what you're talking about.

"REAL" is about as meaningful as "edgy."

Barf!

Bravo!

Sita Mae wrote:
I'm so fucking sick of that phrase.  Usually it's seen in conjunction with totally random and subjective qualifiers, such as, "Only girls who do fashion are REAL models."  Or, "You're only a REAL model if you make X amount of dollars" in which X is defined as some utterly random number, or "Only nude models are REAL models."

Guess what, kids?  If you model, you're a REAL model.

The old wrinkly lady who does denture ads is a REAL model.  The fat guy who sits for art classes is a REAL model.  Fashion models are REAL models. 

If you want to say something meaningful that actually narrows down the field, try "full-time" model, or maybe "paid" or "agency signed" or "published" or something else that actually describes what you're talking about.

"REAL" is about as meaningful as "edgy."

Barf!

AWESOME!!! I completely agree. Well said

PIGEON HILL PHOTOGRAPHY wrote:
Maybe this will help:  Real model verses FAKE MODEL.
Real....gets up at 4 am..goes to fitness class,...comes home...eats enough to get her thru til whenever.....goes to 10 casting calls, completes one job then calls it a day. The next day...does it all over again.  She takes whatever paying offer comes her way and when she sees trends developing in the industry she does a TFP shoot to update her book which is full of tearsheets.  Some months she works well...some she doesnt, but she knows to be successful she has to have a network of friends, agents, photographers and satisfied clients.  She stays in touch with them regularly in addition to hitting the forums and other internet marketing efforts once in a while.  She knows it can take a month of work to get one job and she pays the price.

FAKE model.  Gets up at 6 am after spending the night out with her boyfriend drinking....does a tfp shoot with the guy down the street who bought his first camera a month ago...then rushes to Wendy's to work until 10 pm.  Gets up he next day and complains on internet forums that she cant get her $75.00 per hour minimum rate and talks bad about the photographers who want to shoot her in nude content if she cant get rights to the images.  Next month she has another TFP shoot if she can get her boy friend to take her and if her sister from Canton doesnt come down for the semi annual trip to the mall.  She complains that she didnt get the images from the last TFP shoot but doesnt realize that she never gave the photographer the correct address.  She wont shoot with professional photographers to get a decent portfolio because she lives by the "models dont pay...they get paid" theory.  Her myspace page got 10 hits this past week when she ran a bulletin about her gay friend getting fired to kissing his straight boss.
She just doesnt understand why no one takes her seriously....but damnit...she has a minimum rate.

lmao

Sita Mae wrote:
I'm so fucking sick of that phrase.  Usually it's seen in conjunction with totally random and subjective qualifiers, such as, "Only girls who do fashion are REAL models."  Or, "You're only a REAL model if you make X amount of dollars" in which X is defined as some utterly random number, or "Only nude models are REAL models."

Guess what, kids?  If you model, you're a REAL model.

The old wrinkly lady who does denture ads is a REAL model.  The fat guy who sits for art classes is a REAL model.  Fashion models are REAL models. 

If you want to say something meaningful that actually narrows down the field, try "full-time" model, or maybe "paid" or "agency signed" or "published" or something else that actually describes what you're talking about.

"REAL" is about as meaningful as "edgy."

Barf!

Does this apply to doctors?  If so, my next neighbors daughter needs to hang out a Medical Doctors sign.  She cured some of my problems about a year ago.

PIGEON HILL PHOTOGRAPHY wrote:
Maybe this will help:  Real model verses FAKE MODEL.
Real....gets up at 4 am..goes to fitness class,...comes home...eats enough to get her thru til whenever.....goes to 10 casting calls, completes one job then calls it a day. The next day...does it all over again.  She takes whatever paying offer comes her way and when she sees trends developing in the industry she does a TFP shoot to update her book which is full of tearsheets.  Some months she works well...some she doesnt, but she knows to be successful she has to have a network of friends, agents, photographers and satisfied clients.  She stays in touch with them regularly in addition to hitting the forums and other internet marketing efforts once in a while.  She knows it can take a month of work to get one job and she pays the price.

FAKE model.  Gets up at 6 am after spending the night out with her boyfriend drinking....does a tfp shoot with the guy down the street who bought his first camera a month ago...then rushes to Wendy's to work until 10 pm.  Gets up he next day and complains on internet forums that she cant get her $75.00 per hour minimum rate and talks bad about the photographers who want to shoot her in nude content if she cant get rights to the images.  Next month she has another TFP shoot if she can get her boy friend to take her and if her sister from Canton doesnt come down for the semi annual trip to the mall.  She complains that she didnt get the images from the last TFP shoot but doesnt realize that she never gave the photographer the correct address.  She wont shoot with professional photographers to get a decent portfolio because she lives by the "models dont pay...they get paid" theory.  Her myspace page got 10 hits this past week when she ran a bulletin about her gay friend getting fired to kissing his straight boss.
She just doesnt understand why no one takes her seriously....but damnit...she has a minimum rate.

Sorry to say it, but this is just too true.  I have had experience with both and those in the first category are so much more professional and easy to shoot.  Those in the second category are sometimes very attractive, but don't understand their limitations.  Not many models or photographers on MM are professionals.  I am not a professional photographer either, so shame on me.  I have met many great models on MM, however, so it is working for me.