Forums > General Industry > Why don't models reply?

Photographer

CO_Charlie

Posts: 95

Denver, Colorado, US

Im firmly in the group where i will reply even if its to say no. I send out plenty of emails to models who i might be interested in, if i get a response we usually end up working, if i dont, theres always another - it really doesnt worry me - i think both parties in this business need to have at least a thick enough skin not to worry about this.

Jun 09 05 11:59 pm Link

Photographer

LongWindFPV Visuals

Posts: 7052

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Posted by f4 Photo: 
Doug - thanks for the feedback. Actually I agree with you. I think the images I have posted here do need better editing and your comments are constructive and useful.

F4, regardless of whether they need better editing, or not, nothing in your port tells me that you "TOTALLY SUCK" as a photographer. Taking pictures is one thing and you could be totally great at it, but getting it web ready using PhotoShop is completely another thing and people shouldn't judge a person's photography skills based on mediocre scan results.

If models aren't responding to you, perhaps you should try several approaches in your writing style until you find a style that compels a model to want to respond to your inquiry.

I have a saying. If you ain't gettin turnt down at least 3 times a day? Then, you ain't tryin hard enuff. wink

Jun 10 05 12:06 am Link

Photographer

LongWindFPV Visuals

Posts: 7052

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Posted by theda: 
The same goes for photographers. You guys don't reply either.

Uuuu you troublemaker wink

Jun 10 05 12:06 am Link

Photographer

Posts: 5264

New York, New York, US

Posted by Patrick Walberg: 
Why don't models reply to e-mails? For the same damn reasons (excuses!) that photographers don't reply to e-mails! 

Sad but true.

Jun 10 05 12:29 am Link

Photographer

Michael_Creagh

Posts: 114

New York, New York, US

I don't reply to loads of models or photographers or make-up artists, hair, clothing or photo assistants, etc that email me.  I just don't feel like it. 

If it is a good deal (great model to test) or inquiry into paid work, great. . . I ALWAYS respond.  But as an NYC full time photog, you get a lot of e-mails that are just not that interesting, and i would rather spend my free time doing just about anything (like posting in the forums!) rather than even copy and paste an explanation that "I get paid to test for some of the best agencies in NYC, so I can't shoot a modeling portfolio TFP for someone who isn't strong." 

I think it is often the same for models.  Some offers are worth responding too, and others are just not worth even copying and pasting that "I am not shooting nudes TFP with anyone, let alone photographers who do not posess even one image in their portfolio that i like".

In the same sense, I get about a 20% positive response from models I e-mail first and about %50 when it is actually a great fashion editorial shoot instead of a BS sexy test or something.  I never let it get me down when a model doesn't respond.  it is just the internet.  If you want to make sure you get a good model to show up to a shoot, call a modeling agency.

Best of luck everybody
Michael Creagh
http://michaelcreagh.com

Jun 10 05 01:04 am Link

Photographer

DeSimoni

Posts: 46

Corona, California, US

my 2 cents, since I still consider myself a newb at this.

I have had a few semi-pro model (the kind that actually works for a living doing this) asking to do some shoots. This was my first time where the tables we're reversed. The one that actually responsed to my reply. My question to her was why you would want me to photograph you. Her response was your photos look clean.
The benefit I have over most photographer is that I have been in the printing and worked as a color specialist for a large company, so I know what images look good and what doesn't. So my advice

1. Review your image at 100% if it's not sharp (without having to using the sharpening filter) then toss it. A fuzzy image regardless of the shoot is still a fuzzy image.
2. Shoot a grey target to get the right color balance.
3. Shoot raw - the post processing software to adjust the exposure is more then adjusting the brightness
4. Watch the shadows on the model - always have a reflector with you
5. Open up the aperture, allow the model to be the focus not the surrounding area of course in outdoors you may have to close it up.
6. Postprocessing should only involve a small amount of contrast and if needed a small amount of unsharp mask and removing any blemishes. Anything more is over kill
Until you master 6 and are able to build a clean image, forget about processing for a glamour look (plastic version of the model)
7. forgot what the function is called (told you I was a newb) but adjust the single point focus dot to always be on the models eye. Don't set the camera to auto-focus where it's looking at all 8 points through the viewer.

hope this helps those that listen

of course little by little my photos are getting better, so go through the forum let other more experienced photographers review them and take their criticism to heart and learn from it. Even photographers that have been shooting for years are always trying to learn new stuff.

late

Jun 10 05 04:16 am Link

Model

ahmed87

Posts: 449

Dubai, Dubai, United Arab Emirates

That goes for photographers too...and im not only talking about TFP, but just general questions about rates etc.

Jun 10 05 04:56 am Link

Model

Liriel

Posts: 17

Boulder, Colorado, US

it goes both ways...with all problems in the industry.  The good models have scores of stories about flaky photographers, and vice versa.  You just have to decide if the ones who follow through are worth the headache and hassle of the rest.

Jun 10 05 05:13 am Link

Model

Chaotika

Posts: 413

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

I reply to e-mails...
and what's wrong with a model being unrepresented?
I'm a big girl. i can do this on my own.

Jun 10 05 06:17 am Link

Model

Shyly

Posts: 3870

Pasadena, California, US

Posted by Joe K. Perez: 

If models aren't responding to you, perhaps you should try several approaches in your writing style until you find a style that compels a model to want to respond to your inquiry.

Joe makes a great point!  I've had several photographers tell me that they decided they wanted to work with me as much because of how I presented myself in email as anything else. 

Jun 10 05 11:14 am Link

Photographer

DRowan

Posts: 89

Port Orange, Florida, US

Posted by DRowan: 
I actually got this email from a model in Washington State (I'm in Alabama):

"Hi Doug,
im amber omp number is ****** i would loveto do a shoot with u sometime would u pay for me and my escort like hotel tickets food and a car thanks"

I didn't reply yet because I've been laughing too hard...

BTW...here's my reply:

"Wow amber,
I'm honored to be on your list of people to hit up for free stuff! I actually do shoot models who get paid, but I'm not the models source of income. If I have a client wanting a certain look from a model, I will recommend someone I've had a good working relationship with before. The client pays the model...thinking that a "photographer" is the "client" is not anything close to how real modeling works. Good luck in your recruiting efforts!
Best regards,
Doug"

Jun 10 05 10:53 pm Link

Model

Goddess Erinys

Posts: 323

West Palm Beach, Florida, US

Posted by Doug Swinskey: 
ok, looking at your profile, you suggest you will do portfolio shoots for beginners..looking at your gallery, i dont see a portfolio type image in there..
mostly glam and nude..
so who are you asking for what style?

if i was looking for commercial models and had a gallery full of glamour, i wouldn't expect to hear back from anyone..if i was looking for glam models..then i might expect to hear back..but i would also expect they reply with thier rates, cause unless your nationally published, your the type of guy thats hiring online models..

personally, i dont contact models, but i can see why you get the response that you do...

Right on Doug!! btw..ur work is hot!

Jun 10 05 11:04 pm Link

Model

theda

Posts: 21719

New York, New York, US

Now, now. For stock work and some adult website stuff, the photographer is the client or foots the bill.  I'd call that real modeling, just the minority.

Jun 10 05 11:05 pm Link

Photographer

Hugh Jorgen

Posts: 2850

Ashland, Oregon, US

Dang Theda!!

1000 post we should lock you up and throw away the key!!
No wonder the site is so slow its all your fault!!

Jun 10 05 11:12 pm Link

Model

theda

Posts: 21719

New York, New York, US

Posted by Hugh  Jorgen ©: 
Dang Theda!!

1000 post we should lock you up and throw away the key!!
No wonder the site is so slow its all your fault!!

I am soooo ashamed.  Visual Mindscapes and I are singlehandedly dragging the site down.  But mostly me. I just wanna take credit.

Jun 10 05 11:20 pm Link

Model

Lapis

Posts: 8424

Chicago, Illinois, US

Posted by theda: 


I am soooo ashamed.  Visual Mindscapes and I are singlehandedly dragging the site down.  But mostly me. I just wanna take credit.

VS: I like hot girls

theda: you are just trying really hard to hide your obviously gay tendencies. lol

Jun 10 05 11:24 pm Link

Model

Lapis

Posts: 8424

Chicago, Illinois, US

Posted by theda: 


I am soooo ashamed.  Visual Mindscapes and I are singlehandedly dragging the site down.  But mostly me. I just wanna take credit.

VS: I like hot girls

theda: you are just trying really hard to hide your obviously gay tendencies. lol

Jun 10 05 11:25 pm Link

Model

Lapis

Posts: 8424

Chicago, Illinois, US

Sorry..site is slow. didn't mean to hijack thread or double post.

Back on topic...personal observation...the better my portfolio gets, the higher percentage of responses I am getting (I only send e-mails out to people I a) really admire or b)look like they would pay me) I also get more unsolicited offers for work. I am just a photo climber.

Jun 10 05 11:28 pm Link

Model

BeccaNDSouth

Posts: 1670

Olympia, Washington, US

Posted by f4 Photo: 
Doug - thanks for the feedback. Actually I agree with you. I think the images I have posted here do need better editing and your comments are constructive and useful.

IMO...when the photos are taken right the first time, they truly need very little if any editing.

In response to your question as to why a model may not reply to you...well, from a model's point of view: The model or models in question may not have contacted you because they could not see clear images, or the images they see may not portray the type/style of work they wish to do. If a commercial print model sees nothing but glamour shots in a photographer's book, then they are going to be very unlikely to want to work with such photographer. Now, if the photographer were wanting to change up their portfolio, then that is a different story, but, they should show the model that they will be able to profit from the shoot. If all a photographer has in their own portfolio are blurry or badly focused photos, or those that look as though they were taken with a point-and-shoot camera, then the model is not going to feel that they will benefit from working with the photographer. Just like if a model only has crummy photos in her book, then the photographer will not want to work with them....

As to the model not even responding with a "thanks, but no thanks..." Well, that is just bad business behavior on their part. I atleast try to respond to any requests from photographers...granted they are not the generic advertisement inquiries like you may find on OMP at times...

Jun 11 05 12:13 am Link

Model

robin mcquay

Posts: 48

Tacoma, Washington, US

Posted by * Visual Mindscapes *: 

Posted by emac: 
Maybe they just don't like your photos.

and they don't feel like responding to each of the 50 crappy photographers each week that contact them.

Basically.

agreed

Jun 11 05 04:55 am Link

Photographer

Hugh Jorgen

Posts: 2850

Ashland, Oregon, US

Posted by robin mcquay: 

Posted by * Visual Mindscapes *: 

Posted by emac: 
Maybe they just don't like your photos.

and they don't feel like responding to each of the 50 crappy photographers each week that contact them.

Basically.

agreed

Ya but!!

Jun 11 05 04:59 am Link

Model

robin mcquay

Posts: 48

Tacoma, Washington, US

Posted by Hugh  Jorgen ©: 

Posted by robin mcquay: 

Posted by * Visual Mindscapes *: 

Posted by emac: 
Maybe they just don't like your photos.

and they don't feel like responding to each of the 50 crappy photographers each week that contact them.

Basically.

agreed

Ya but!!

neutral

Jun 11 05 05:03 am Link