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Photographer

Sophistocles

Posts: 21320

Seattle, Washington, US

Iconix Studio wrote:
No I did not mean to infer that they do...

Yes, you did. Your quote was clear and unambiguous and now you're trying to back away from it.

How about just saying that you actually have no clue and apologize?

I bet you won't.

Mar 30 08 03:19 pm Link

Photographer

PYPI FASHION

Posts: 36332

San Francisco, California, US

Iconix Studio wrote:
It's the later. I meant to separate out full service agencies versus independent studios. A studio will not always use an agency for obtaining a model. So to clarify...

1. I have never heard of an agency using a webcam audition for local or remote talent for conditions of employment.

2. I have heard of and have used webcam auditions under controlled situations prior to flying in a  "independent" model or transporting a team. Likewise, I have peers who have done the same.

Regardless of what people expect to be the norm or not technology is always evolving and there will always be those to take advantage of it. Just a number of years ago prior to mass utilization of the web in the early 90's finding a model via a website or online forum was unheard of. However, you can see how quickly that has caught on and of course with it comes a number of problems as well.

But to each his/her own...

You have quite an impressive profile with lots of credits. Have you done any work outside of your State or in other countries since Missouri can't really have that many opportunities for commercial photography.

Mar 30 08 03:32 pm Link

Photographer

Eduardo Frances

Posts: 3227

Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain

John Jebbia wrote:
I've got a question for the photographers here. Just hypothetically. Lets say you got a wild hair up your ass and wanted to fly a particular model in for a shoot. Would you not like to see what she looks like in real-time (webcam) before you committed and bought the plane ticket?

with the lack of image quality of webcams, you may as well be better with point and shoot -no flash- snapshots or some scanned polaroids smile

Mar 30 08 03:50 pm Link

Photographer

PYPI FASHION

Posts: 36332

San Francisco, California, US

PYPI wrote:
You have quite an impressive profile with lots of credits. Have you done any work outside of your State or in other countries since Missouri can't really have that many opportunities for commercial photography.

Iconix took exception to my questions as he sent me an interesting email. I am just a naturally curious person and his profile strikes me as odd.

For example:

1. Why doesn't a well published and established studio such as this have any hits on Google?

2. Did Iconix Studios shoot all the pictures in his port?

Just questions that a model might have if she would consider shooting with them.

Mar 30 08 04:00 pm Link

Photographer

Sophistocles

Posts: 21320

Seattle, Washington, US

Funny, I got an equally-curious private message filled with platitudes.

I told him that his best bet would be to apologize for lying and representing himself as something he appears not to be, and not to email me again failing that.

Mar 30 08 04:10 pm Link

Photographer

Sophistocles

Posts: 21320

Seattle, Washington, US

And then he replied anyway, but I'll never know what he said, as he blocked me - so trying to read the reply gives me the famous, "you're not allowed to contact this user."

I can only imagine the colorful nature of his reply.

Mar 30 08 04:22 pm Link

Photographer

PYPI FASHION

Posts: 36332

San Francisco, California, US

Christopher Ambler wrote:
Funny, I got an equally-curious private message filled with platitudes.

I told him that his best bet would be to apologize for lying and representing himself as something he appears not to be, and not to email me again failing that.

I'm more curious about the answer to my second question above. Iconix should come back and clarify in the interest of full disclosure.

Mar 30 08 04:26 pm Link

Photographer

picturephoto

Posts: 8687

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Emily Hammond wrote:
Simply put, do agencies do these?

No.

Everything else in this thread is either hot air, or people pointing out the hot air and otherwise just making conversation.

Mar 30 08 04:39 pm Link

Photographer

Sophistocles

Posts: 21320

Seattle, Washington, US

Richard Dubois wrote:
... and otherwise just making conversation.

How you doin'?

Mar 30 08 04:46 pm Link

Photographer

picturephoto

Posts: 8687

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Christopher Ambler wrote:

How you doin'?

'sup?

Mar 30 08 05:00 pm Link

Model

Cassie Hager

Posts: 166

Milwaukee, Wisconsin, US

Emily Hammond wrote:
I thought so. I just experienced my first scam given to me by a private message by a model on here.

She told me her friend modeled for Elite.

I checked it out with the highest caution. I contacted her AIM and talked a bit. I looked on the Elite website and her name was not posted. And once this person asked if I was doing webcam auditions that was a red flag there.

And I ended the convo as soon as it even started.

smart.

Mar 30 08 05:02 pm Link

Photographer

Digitoxin

Posts: 13456

Denver, Colorado, US

Emily Hammond wrote:
Simply put, do agencies do these?

No.

Mar 30 08 05:34 pm Link

Model

Margaret Morris

Posts: 905

Chicago, Illinois, US

ugh

Mar 30 08 05:45 pm Link

Model

ciaogoodbyeadios

Posts: 1907

Los Angeles, California, US

My agency (before I was signed with them) asked me to send them a digital video of my runway walk.

SO.... videos requests aren't always a redflag.... but webcam... that sounds scamalicious!  Especially if it was just some girl telling you about it.  If an agency wants a video... they'll ask you themselves.

Mar 30 08 05:51 pm Link

Photographer

PYPI FASHION

Posts: 36332

San Francisco, California, US

Vogue_Junkie wrote:
My agency (before I was signed with them) asked me to send them a digital video of my runway walk.

SO.... videos aren't always a redflag.... but webcam... that sounds scamalicious!

A video of you on the runway has no value to those asking for webcam interviews. Amateur porn sites don't buy videos of models walking on the runway.

Mar 30 08 05:53 pm Link

Photographer

lll

Posts: 12295

Seattle, Washington, US

Vogue_Junkie wrote:
My agency (before I was signed with them) asked me to send them a digital video of my runway walk.

SO.... videos requests aren't always a redflag.... but webcam... that sounds scamalicious!  Especially if it was just some girl telling you about it.  If an agency wants a video... they'll ask you themselves.

Ah, THAT video.  smile

Now people please notice that Vogue_Junkie is already established before signing with this agency.  She is not a newbie, and was directly connected to the bookers she is now dealing with.  Not through MM, or IM, or any-M.

Mar 30 08 05:54 pm Link

Photographer

Lucas Chapman

Posts: 6129

Scottsdale, Arizona, US

Emily Hammond wrote:
So what about this model on MM who gave me this scam?

Surely, she's not stupid to know that it isn't one.

man, many, many "models" here on MM are scams and wannabees.  Welcome to the interweeb  smile

Mar 30 08 05:54 pm Link

Photographer

JA Sanchez

Posts: 6830

Miami, Florida, US

Iconix Studio wrote:
Some reviews can be done via webcam. So I counter those who responded to the opposite. If travel is involved I have no objection to a photographer reviewing the models I represent via webcam under controlled situations. So not all webcam request are scams. Those that scream "scam" before they understand the situation are typically ill informed and have a preconceived notion of a situation under which they have very little facts.

Never heard of any legit photographer asking for webcam interviews. We ask for polariods or unedited digital snapshots, and every model should be willing and able to provide recent ones upon request.

Mar 30 08 05:57 pm Link

Photographer

lll

Posts: 12295

Seattle, Washington, US

Iconix Studio:  Question for you.

Do you manage models?

Mar 30 08 06:05 pm Link

Photographer

PYPI FASHION

Posts: 36332

San Francisco, California, US

lll wrote:
Iconix Studio:  Question for you.

Do you manage models?

I asked but was ignored. I have a better question.

Did Iconix Studios shoot all the pictures in his port?

Mar 30 08 06:09 pm Link

Model

bbz123

Posts: 258

Chicago, Illinois, US

FWIW I have started sending a video thank you after auditions for on-camera spots, gets me in front of them one more time in a mini-production that I control. I do believe it has put me a bit above the rest and I have gotten a couple of pretty well-paying gigs since I have done this.

Mar 30 08 06:15 pm Link

Photographer

Eduardo Frances

Posts: 3227

Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain

PYPI wrote:

I asked but was ignored. I have a better question.

Did Iconix Studios shoot all the pictures in his port?

Well his absence answers your question wink... he hasn't appeared since you started to inquiry him about the model management thing tongue

Mar 30 08 11:33 pm Link

Model

Jane Burgess

Posts: 433

Tempe, Arizona, US

Not that I have ever heard of.

Mar 30 08 11:34 pm Link

Photographer

Doug Lester

Posts: 10591

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Emily Hammond wrote:
Simply put, do agencies do these?

No they do not. However the internet is filled with various types and degrees of scam artists who absolutely love web cam interviews. They usually end with clothes coming off or a request for money, or maybe both.

Mar 30 08 11:42 pm Link

Photographer

Jerry Nemeth

Posts: 33355

Dearborn, Michigan, US

PYPI wrote:

I asked but was ignored. I have a better question.

Did Iconix Studios shoot all the pictures in his port?

Also there are no credits for the models.

Mar 30 08 11:44 pm Link

Model

Lindsey Arnold

Posts: 578

New Orleans, Louisiana, US

Peterz Photoz wrote:
Thats how porn sites got started big_smile

lmao exactly

Mar 30 08 11:45 pm Link

Wardrobe Stylist

Dave the design student

Posts: 45198

Detroit, Michigan, US

Emily Hammond wrote:
Simply put, do agencies do these?

I had my foot out the door when I saw this and started laughing way too hard.

In a word:  NO!

lol but if you'd like to audition anyway, I'm [email protected]

Mar 31 08 12:49 am Link

Wardrobe Stylist

Dave the design student

Posts: 45198

Detroit, Michigan, US

John Jebbia wrote:
I've got a question for the photographers here. Just hypothetically. Lets say you got a wild hair up your ass and wanted to fly a particular model in for a shoot. Would you not like to see what she looks like in real-time (webcam) before you committed and bought the plane ticket?

It's more likely she'll see someones hand moving real fast in real time.
skeet skeet skeet, gotta go!

Mar 31 08 12:55 am Link

Model

Victoria Veins

Posts: 265

Brisbane, Queensland, Australia

god no.

Mar 31 08 01:06 am Link

Photographer

Curt at photoworks

Posts: 31812

Riverside, California, US

PYPI wrote:
You have quite an impressive profile with lots of credits. Have you done any work outside of your State or in other countries since Missouri can't really have that many opportunities for commercial photography.

He has a professional web site - http://iconixstudio.com/

I'm sure it's all there.

< goes and checks >

hmm .. nothing comes up for me on either Safari or Firefox. I wonder if my browsers are broked?  Anything come up for anyone else?

Mar 31 08 03:48 am Link