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Can that woman even walk?? I would say honesty is best, at least that is what I would like to hear if I write to a photographer.. Not if they think I'm ugly, but "sorry your look is not right for me" or something along those lines.. Feb 10 06 02:54 pm Link To be exact....Your inquiry is appreciated, however your work does not fit into my book. and keep it moving.. Feb 10 06 02:55 pm Link I tell them to shut up and sit down and eat and quit asking favors of Dad! Ok, ok. I refer them to Mark. Ok, If I'm feeling benelovent, I take the challenge and try my best to get the best image possilbe. Hell, who cant shoot a beautiful model? HELLO.. You think your soooo good, then make it work with a girl that's not hot or are you just into gawkin while your shootin... Here's my dumbassed little litmus test, if she offered to pay my normal fee, would I shoot her? If the answer is yes, then why not do a few uglies along with the hotties on a TFP basis? You might be surprised what you can come up with and you sure as hell will make her day. I do tell them that I think they have an interesting look but not what the industry is looking for at the moment. Feb 10 06 03:07 pm Link I honestly do not believe in the word ugly. But then again I not only do fashion and glamour. I also do art photography.So there is something beautiful about everyone. They might not have fashion or glamour runway beauty but with art there is a lot more "room" to work with people who would not be someone you would ever see in a fashion magazine or on a runway. Feb 10 06 03:12 pm Link I generally tell them I shoot only with experienced models who CAN demonstrate they will enhance my portfolio. This is basically true anyway - with the exception of some special cases where the look is amazing or different or the potential for a good career is very high. But i never see anyone as hideous looking or should I say I know they certainly would not be look hideous in my photos. Otherwise I should be taking up a new profession. Feb 10 06 03:21 pm Link Vegas Alien wrote: Ha ha ha Feb 10 06 03:38 pm Link Andon wrote: Me: "Gosh, thanks for the offer. I wish I could personally assist, but I'm kinda swamped right now. Though, my friend, lucky bastard, now he can help you. His profile number is..." Feb 10 06 03:40 pm Link Andon wrote: Now that just comes down to a matter of how many empty Bud cans are in front of me Feb 10 06 03:48 pm Link studio36uk wrote: Bill Tracy wrote: OK, here's the deal... you send me [or Bill Tracy] all the ones you can't make money with and I will make money for both the model and myself. Maybe even lots of money! I do think that standards have got a lot higher, especially in the last ten years. I suppose it depends on the degree of ugliness. Really hideous (really really really hideous) people might, and I'm not happy with this, get more work than people who are only normally ugly, but, generally speaking, it is only the beautiful people who get work. The only exception to that is if the model has a large endowment, and then, it seems, anything goes. Feb 10 06 04:19 pm Link dncphotos wrote: "Do some exercise" hahaha thanks, that was hilarious. I'd say a little more than "some". But hey, someone's repulsion is another's ultimate fantasy! Feb 10 06 04:25 pm Link Michael Barian wrote: And I bet I know who she is too! Feb 10 06 04:27 pm Link Attitude is more important, respect and so on. A models' look is lower on the list of what I need to get a good image. Besides, you have no clue what I like to sleep with! What if I'm into humping alligators? You all loose! I can't say I've turned down a model simply because they are a train wreck. I'm more likely to turn down certain hottie models because they're a pain to deal with. They make me work hard, give me headaches, there's no profit, the images don't sell, and they do nothing to help me find the next shoot. Up against all that I would rather see an honest smile from someone you accused of being too ugly to model. Feb 10 06 04:28 pm Link First thing I do is try and find out what it is they actually want, and why. And if they are open to exploring perhaps other genre or venues of modeling if what they want is not in my comfort zone or in my judgement a reasonable venture. For instance, they may have a strong mannish, nearly equine face and body structure. And they may be asking for glamor type photography. I am probably going to ask them to bring me a few magazine clippings or examples of what they might have in mind so that I can actually see what they are expecting. If it is totally not within the realm of reality, then I will pull out examples of other imagery that might, in my own opinion, suit their look better, or be real possibilites for them to pursue if, in actual fact, they are looking for work and not doing it for a lark, or on a dare. And naturally I make very certain they understand that if I do shoot with them, it will only be with a full commercial, no holds barred, witnessed and notarized release for any and all images. Then, if they get past that hurtle, we start exploring just what it is that they do have inside themselves that might get them some real possibility for working. I know, and have worked with two folk for instance that are now quite successful working as figure models for the local university art departments. And one that is very much in demand as a reference for the alternative artists community. They use him a lot for making molded art from because he has very large hands and feet on a rather small body, but for their work, he is perfect. You just never know what might be the journey another person is on, and you always have a choice as an artist, to either accept the opportunity to perhaps enrich both your lives with interaction and communication, or to cast away what might have been a very interesting and enlightening bit of work. spirits bless, Marion Feb 11 06 08:42 am Link Ugly is on the inside... While I may not take certain people on as a TFP shoot, for a fair rate, I would give my best effort to give them shots they would like. I had seen this thread just before going to a bar last night for a friend's birthday. While at the bar, a lady at the table next to me fit the bill of someone who might approach. In her teens, she must have been a ravishing beauty based on the bone structure in her face. However, roughly 30 years of chain smoking had given her a bad case of "smoker's face"...pursed lips, bags under eyes, hollow cheeks, etc... Still she appeared to have a very positive self-image and was very sexual. I started mentally lighting, filtering and PS'ing her and had a few nice shots mentally by the time I was done. Sure, it would be a challenge. No. I did not offer to shoot her, but if she approached me now. I know I could do it. Feb 11 06 09:56 am Link groupw wrote: The more you drink, the better they look. Unfortunately, the next morning, the ugly is back on the outside again. Feb 11 06 10:11 am Link With models there's always a market for *something*. I'm always polite about it and I keep people in my contact list as you just never know. I've had work for senior citizens, way-the-hell fat people, handicap, amputees, and etc. over the years so I know better that not all modeling and photography focuses on beautiful people. I do more commercial than fashion, runway, and glamour so real people are more often than not needed for what I do. Sometimes, you need real people in a background to make your principle look even better. Note: don't dis on anyone because you may need them to earn your next paycheck. Feb 11 06 10:30 am Link Dave Krueger wrote: He, he , he , he........ for 1 in 3 it just doesn't work Feb 11 06 10:37 am Link Keyronn wrote: LMAO! Feb 11 06 10:43 am Link when did you meet the President? Feb 11 06 10:49 am Link studio36uk wrote: LOL! Feb 11 06 10:57 am Link Dave Krueger wrote: I guess if you can't control your drinking, that may be your problem. Feb 11 06 11:05 am Link Andon wrote: Send them to me. I'll shoot anyone if they pay off my student loans. Feb 11 06 11:15 am Link groupw wrote: But we're talking about photography here, not choosing a soulmate, so I'll shoot the physically beautiful ones and you can shoot the one's with the "inner beauty". Feb 11 06 01:01 pm Link i'm just glad that, thanks to quoting, that picture got posted FOUR TIMES. thanks, people! your vigilance is commendable! Feb 11 06 02:22 pm Link Andon wrote: Whoa, whoa!!! Easy now, cowgirl! Feb 11 06 02:44 pm Link Samurai B wrote: I couldn't begin to imagine the look in the models eyes after you hand her your blood covered eyeballs. Feb 11 06 02:58 pm Link Alan from Aavian Prod wrote: PLEASE GUESS WHO....she's tormenting me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Feb 11 06 03:06 pm Link Jay Bowman wrote: What do teeth have to do with it? Feb 11 06 03:20 pm Link Dave Krueger wrote: No teeth? And have to endure the disappointment of not being bitten? I think not, my friend, she must have teeth... Feb 11 06 04:29 pm Link I tell the model that she's not exactly what I'm looking for and I'll keep her information at hand, just in case I need her a any upcoming projects. Hopefully she doesn't wait up for my phone call. Feb 14 06 10:24 pm Link i will photo any one no matter what i will fined some use for the photo i may not make them look glamors or better looking buy with "art" photos you can do any thing so i have NEVER judged any one on how they look the more people i photo the better Feb 14 06 10:30 pm Link dncphotos wrote: I have an image to rival the one posted by studio36uk, but I haven't yet figured out how to post images. I read the explanation, but I need an explanation for the explanation. Well, I'll save the image for when I learn how to post it. Feb 15 06 12:32 am Link William Coleman wrote: Easy enough... Feb 15 06 05:01 am Link You da MAN, Studio36uk. At last, clear instructions that tell me what to do, not "you need this to get that," but without saying how to GET this or that. I'm truly appreciative. The image I have in mind is on my hard drive at home. I'll try posting it when I have a chance. Thanks, again! Feb 15 06 10:07 am Link William Coleman wrote: Different browsers may work differently... in MSIE you may have to right click the limage and select "properties" to see the ACTUAL images location then you can highlight that and copy it; in Firefox you can right click and "copy image location" directly.... or right click and "view image" when the image only and it's URL will be on the browser and the ACTUAL image location on the address bar. Feb 15 06 10:52 am Link |
