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Nadirah B
Posts: 28521
Los Angeles, California, US
I'm putting together a workshop here in LA for a commercial photographer to come out and teach at.
If I had said nude/glamour , folks would be flocking...
The responses are pretty scarse, is it because people are generally not interested in commercial or what?
Thanks!
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Lua Cheia Fotos
Posts: 172
Long Branch, New Jersey, US
Es muy bueno!
Estou muito interrasado. (portugues)
Can you do one in NJ?
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StephenEastwood
Posts: 19585
Great Neck, New York, US
commercial photographers are working and do not need a workshop and those that are glamor based are hobbiest usually and don't want a commercial workshop, and horny guys want to see half or full naked chicks and commercial implies too much clothes for them so they don't want to go to a commercial workshop. I have done commercial workshops and they filled but they were advertised by major corporations and only advertised to higher end working studios and limits in size and high in price to weed out annoyances. At $1500 a weekend, and based mainly on the business end of it rather than the shooting, it was packed with 25 people all working studio owners. They are the target, not the low end new photographers. Stephen Eastwood http://www.StephenEastwood.com
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Nadirah B
Posts: 28521
Los Angeles, California, US
StephenEastwood wrote:
commercial photographers are working and do not need a workshop and those that are glamor based are hobbiest usually and don't want a commercial workshop, and horny guys want to see half or full naked chicks and commercial implies too much clothes for them so they don't want to go to a commercial workshop.
I have done commercial workshops and they filled but they were advertised by major corporations and only advertised to higher end working studios and limits in size and high in price to weed out annoyances. At $1500 a weekend, and based mainly on the business end of it rather than the shooting, it was packed with 25 people all working studio owners. They are the target, not the low end new photographers.
Stephen Eastwood
http://www.StephenEastwood.com That is SUCH a good point
We tried to set it up so it has a lighting seminar AND information on the business end.
The photographer was gracious enough to make himself available for people like me, but maybe i'm one of the few 
Lua, I would if I could get that together 
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StephenEastwood
Posts: 19585
Great Neck, New York, US
LADY SWEET FACE wrote:
That is SUCH a good point this is my good point account, I keep my stupid points limited to my other accounts 
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Nadirah B
Posts: 28521
Los Angeles, California, US
StephenEastwood wrote:
this is my good point account, I keep my stupid points limited to my other accounts
Stephen Eastwood
http://www.StephenEastwood.com 
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Saryn Christina
Posts: 63
Long Beach, California, US
I'd be very interested in attending.
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Christopher Hartman
Posts: 54196
Buena Park, California, US
LADY SWEET FACE wrote:
I'm putting together a workshop here in LA for a commercial photographer to come out and teach at.
If I had said nude/glamour , folks would be flocking...
The responses are pretty scarse, is it because people are generally not interested in commercial or what?
Thanks! I'd suspect most workshops are for the hobbyists.
Hobbyists tend to want to see more boobies than anything else.
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Nadirah B
Posts: 28521
Los Angeles, California, US
SarynChristina wrote:
I'd be very interested in attending. Awesome! You can look on my page for info about it
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Nadirah B
Posts: 28521
Los Angeles, California, US
Christopher Hartman wrote:
I'd suspect most workshops are for the hobbyists.
Hobbyists tend to want to see more boobies than anything else.
I love the Hartman!
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studio36uk
Posts: 22898
Tavai, Sigave, Wallis and Futuna
Christopher Hartman wrote:
I'd suspect most workshops are for the hobbyists.
Hobbyists tend to want to see more boobies than anything else. Wonder what the response would be like to a "How-To" porn workshop?
Probably would have to hold it in a stadium. LOL
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Robert Randall
Posts: 13890
Chicago, Illinois, US
studio36uk wrote:
Wonder what the response would be like to a "How-To" porn workshop?
Probably would have to hold it in a stadium. LOL
Studio36 Since I am extremely interested in shooting girls with large plastic objects sticking in and out of their various orifices, I would pay a large sum of money to attend a porn how to party... I mean workshop.
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studio36uk
Posts: 22898
Tavai, Sigave, Wallis and Futuna
Kevlar Vest Girl wrote:
Since I am extremely interested in shooting girls with large plastic objects sticking in and out of their various orifices, I would pay a large sum of money to attend a porn how to party... I mean workshop. ROTFLMAO... I somehow thought there would be a bite on that apple. [Batteries not included]
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StephenEastwood
Posts: 19585
Great Neck, New York, US
Kevlar Vest Girl wrote:
Since I am extremely interested in shooting girls with large plastic objects sticking in and out of their various orifices, I would pay a large sum of money to attend a porn how to party... I mean workshop. I'll book you on my next one. Of course we use actors to simulate the models so I hope you're not bothered that we have an all male reenactment for the demonstration. And of course you can feel free to take active participation, in fact it is encouraged as a way to really get to know the poses inside and out
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Christopher Hartman
Posts: 54196
Buena Park, California, US
Kevlar Vest Girl wrote:
Since I am extremely interested in shooting girls with large plastic objects sticking in and out of their various orifices, I would pay a large sum of money to attend a porn how to party... I mean workshop. How much is this sum of money? I think I can set something up for you. Even a one on one...er, one on two? It'll cost 50% more.
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Escalante
Posts: 5367
Chicago, Illinois, US
LADY SWEET FACE wrote:
I'm putting together a workshop here in LA for a commercial photographer to come out and teach at.
If I had said nude/glamour , folks would be flocking...
The responses are pretty scarse, is it because people are generally not interested in commercial or what?
Thanks! Idiots are in it for the tits and ass, be happy you don't have them interested.
Wait around and market the workshop some more and the serious people will crawl out of the woodwork for a commercial workshop.
It is highly competitive but very lucrative work.
Best of Luck
E
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studio36uk
Posts: 22898
Tavai, Sigave, Wallis and Futuna
StephenEastwood wrote:
I'll book you on my next one.
Stephen Eastwood
http://www.StephenEastwood.com You are as bad as I am... sounds like you would shoot, literally, anything that walks, crawls, flys or slithers... and a few things that just lay there and don't do much of anything at all, as long as there's a buck or two in it.
LOL
Studio36
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StephenEastwood
Posts: 19585
Great Neck, New York, US
studio36uk wrote:
You are as bad as I am... sounds like you would shoot, literally, anything that walks, crawls, flys or slithers... and a few things that just lay there and don't do much of anything at all.
LOL
Studio36 no, no, I don't shoot porn, I will teach it to those with no ethics or moral issues over it however 
Stephen Eastwood
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StephenEastwood
Posts: 19585
Great Neck, New York, US
Christopher Hartman wrote:
How much is this sum of money? I think I can set something up for you. Even a one on one...er, one on two? It'll cost 50% more. are you flirting with him? You know Kevlar vest GIRL is really a Guy don't you
Stephen Eastwood
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studio36uk
Posts: 22898
Tavai, Sigave, Wallis and Futuna
StephenEastwood wrote:
are you flirting with him? You know Kevlar vest GIRL is really a Guy don't you
Stephen Eastwood
http://www.StephenEastwood.com As long as the check clears.
Studio36
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Christopher Hartman
Posts: 54196
Buena Park, California, US
StephenEastwood wrote:
are you flirting with him? You know Kevlar vest GIRL is really a Guy don't you
Stephen Eastwood
http://www.StephenEastwood.com I meant the model to photographer ratio. I'd be the intructor so I would not be included.
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Mikey Yan
Posts: 379
La Habra, California, US
Where is this workshop? I'd be interested if it were free tho, I'm broke.  Well maybe if its not too much.
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Nadirah B
Posts: 28521
Los Angeles, California, US
ESCALANTE wrote:
Idiots are in it for the tits and ass, be happy you don't have them interested.
Wait around and market the workshop some more and the serious people will crawl out of the woodwork for a commercial workshop.
It is highly competitive but very lucrative work.
Best of Luck
E Thanks E!
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Nadirah B
Posts: 28521
Los Angeles, California, US
Christopher Hartman wrote:
I meant the model to photographer ratio. I'd be the intructor so I would not be included.
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Nadirah B
Posts: 28521
Los Angeles, California, US
Mikey Yan wrote:
Where is this workshop? I'd be interested if it were free tho, I'm broke. Well maybe if its not too much. $230
I think it's super beyond reasonably priced!
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KevinMichaelReed
Posts: 1554
New York, New York, US
StephenEastwood wrote:
commercial photographers are working and do not need a workshop and those that are glamor based are hobbiest usually and don't want a commercial workshop, and horny guys want to see half or full naked chicks and commercial implies too much clothes for them so they don't want to go to a commercial workshop.
I have done commercial workshops and they filled but they were advertised by major corporations and only advertised to higher end working studios and limits in size and high in price to weed out annoyances. At $1500 a weekend, and based mainly on the business end of it rather than the shooting, it was packed with 25 people all working studio owners. They are the target, not the low end new photographers.
Stephen Eastwood
http://www.StephenEastwood.com Stephen, you actually make a lot of sense sometimes. :-)
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Nadirah B
Posts: 28521
Los Angeles, California, US
KevinMichaelReed wrote:
Stephen, you actually make a lot of sense sometimes. :-) Don't tell him that!!
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Nadirah B
Posts: 28521
Los Angeles, California, US
I'll have to go about another way, Thanks ya'll!
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Gabriel Karshens
Posts: 76
Corona, California, US
If I was in LA I would attend!
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Nadirah B
Posts: 28521
Los Angeles, California, US
Artistic Industries wrote:
If I was in LA I would attend! awww!
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StephenEastwood
Posts: 19585
Great Neck, New York, US
KevinMichaelReed wrote:
Stephen, you actually make a lot of sense sometimes. :-) I know, I am afraid it may get me booted from this site so I have to limit that to small burst in between the obnoxious remarks and mis information everyone here is use too getting here. 
Stephen Eastwood
http://www.StephenEastwood.com
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Eduardo Frances
Posts: 3227
Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain
LADY SWEET FACE wrote:
I'm putting together a workshop here in LA for a commercial photographer to come out and teach at.
If I had said nude/glamour , folks would be flocking...
The responses are pretty scarse, is it because people are generally not interested in commercial or what?
Thanks! the difference is that the group of people that goes to your workshop are really interested in working in the commercial field, while the ones that go for nude/glamour workshops many of them do it only because there will be "boobz" so if you take out the "WANNAS BOOBZ GWC LOLZ" from the glamour workshop then you may have the same number of people really interested in the techincal learning of both fields.
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Nadirah B
Posts: 28521
Los Angeles, California, US
StephenEastwood wrote:
I know, I am afraid it may get me booted from this site so I have to limit that to small burst in between the obnoxious remarks and mis information everyone here is use too getting here.
Stephen Eastwood
http://www.StephenEastwood.com
Are you attempting to state that MM has ...*gasp* wrong information handed out?
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Franko Photo
Posts: 1622
San Jose, California, US
you have some good comments so far... and i think you have a good idea for a workshop. i also think that if you are soliciting on this web site for your commercial workshop - you are just aiming at the wrong demographic of photographers. yes - some of us are mainly marketing/commercial photographers (with an interest in modeling photography), but i think the larger percentage of photographers here on MM are looking at the 'model' aspect of their style of photography.
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Nadirah B
Posts: 28521
Los Angeles, California, US
Anzalone Photography wrote:
you have some good comments so far... and i think you have a good idea for a workshop. i also think that if you are soliciting on this web site for your commercial workshop - you are just aiming at the wrong demographic of photographers. yes - some of us are mainly marketing/commercial photographers (with an interest in modeling photography), but i think the larger percentage of photographers here on MM are looking at the 'model' aspect of their style of photography. I know, but there are models in commercial work
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Ruben Sanchez
Posts: 3570
San Antonio, Texas, US
I think it depends on who's going to teach it. If it's Joe Blow, the so-called famous commercial photographer, who no one has heard about, I wouldn't pay to go, and I don't think anyone else would either.
If it was someone like Robert Farber, Patrick Demarchelier, or Pete Turner, I'd be there in a flash. Also, you might be charging too much for your workshop.
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Nadirah B
Posts: 28521
Los Angeles, California, US
Ruben Sanchez wrote:
I think it depends on who's going to teach it. If it's Joe Blow, the so-called famous commercial photographer, who no one has heard about, I wouldn't pay to go, and I don't think anyone else would either.
If it was someone like Robert Farber, Patrick Demarchelier, or Pete Turner, I'd be there in a flash. Also, you might be charging too much for your workshop. Really? $230 is too much for a 2 lighting sessions (with models) an intro to commercial photography AND portfolio review?
The photographer I selected is well respected in commercial.
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S
Posts: 21678
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US
I personally wouldn't sign up for a commercial workshop because I'm not interested in it. MM isn't really geared toward photographers attempting to make a living with commercial photography, y'know? There are some here and all, but they aren't the majority, which is probably why you aren't getting a huge turn-out.
Have you tried advertising elsewhere? Can you put up flyers on campuses that have photo programs, things like that? Take out ads in the free papers?
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Nadirah B
Posts: 28521
Los Angeles, California, US
Sita Mae wrote:
I personally wouldn't sign up for a commercial workshop because I'm not interested in it. MM isn't really geared toward photographers attempting to make a living with commercial photography, y'know? There are some here and all, but they aren't the majority, which is probably why you aren't getting a huge turn-out.
Have you tried advertising elsewhere? Can you put up flyers on campuses that have photo programs, things like that? Take out ads in the free papers? Getting there! I just noticed the response was extremely low here, so I was askin'
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Well maybe if its not too much.
