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Some models just crack me up
I'm sure all of us photographers have seen the following line in the model's description area: "No nude or implied nudity - so don't ask" Or, some variation thereof. So, what's up with this when I click on your portfolio and see a good many nudes there? Hmm? Can we please make up our minds? I mean, I can understand if you once did nudes but no longer want to - but say that directly, not the above. And, if you have a problem with doing nudity (now, then, or forever), Pray Tell! WHY is half (or more) of your portfolio nudes??? -Rowen Jun 21 05 01:06 pm Link do you consider topless "nude"? Jun 21 05 01:07 pm Link I suppose it depends on how you look at it - but the pictures I am talking about in my post are totally nude or very nearly so. I mean, if you can see that a girl is totally shaved (ie, no pubic hair), that would define nude to me - wouldn't it to you? Topless? Hmm...hard to say. -Rowen Jun 21 05 01:11 pm Link I crack myself up... which is kinda sad...because I am the only one laughing at my jokes... It's a pitiful existance I live... :::sigh::: Topless is 1/2 nude... Jun 21 05 01:22 pm Link Just for the hell of it, I am going to take to the model view. Yes view. No Nudes means No Nudes. However, it can also mean, I must view your work, check your background and see how I feel in your present. And then if your concept is cool, maybe. As far as the images on the site. Nudes will grab attention, thus bring more traffic to one's page. I do not fault models for this. It is a weeding out process/ selling process. If you are a photographer with strong images & great concepts, models will look to work with you. But if your work is haft baked, just leave it alone. Jun 21 05 01:23 pm Link I've run into a number of girls who only do nudes with photographres they've gotten to know and trust over time. Maybe they don't want to say that in their portfolio? Anyway, if you really like the model, get to know her on a non-nude shoot, maybe several of them, and then ask in a subtle manner? Jun 21 05 01:24 pm Link And while we are talking about nudes. Far too many photographers shoot nudes with no real vision. A naked model for the sake of a naked model just make a photographer look stupid. Let's take Helmut Newton, his work was based on a world which was rich in vision. The model being naked was second and or third to the point of view. Far too many photographers think that nudes are a key to strong images. Wrong. I repeat: A naked model can expose a photographer's weak point of view. or show that the photographer has none at all. If the model can step into the world of the photographer via, vision; nude become a moot issue. Jun 21 05 01:39 pm Link Of the Ten models I used for my upcoming (hopefully) book, 4 stated specifically they did not do nudes, although they shot nudes with me. Go figure..... If I knew how easy it was to get girls to strip for me when I was in high school, I would have never graduated. :-P Jun 21 05 01:43 pm Link It depends... if you're a guy it's not nude, if you're a girl then it's partial nudity... ain't society great? Posted by renocrystal: Jun 21 05 01:51 pm Link Posted by Carlos Arturo Velarde: Posted by renocrystal: And if you are a guy with implants, It is also partial nudity! Jun 21 05 01:56 pm Link Posted by bill wylie: i never knew why shooting nude was a big thing online if it wasnt for a publication, art project, or a book or research study. i havent shot it mainly because i dont need to shoot it, and i dont knock it at all, but if i have ABSOLUTELY no reason to shoot it, then why would i bother to? alot of my photographer friends always ask me after i shoot somebody "did you get any nudes?" and i'm thinking to myself, are they that hard up to see some babe in the buff? Jun 21 05 02:10 pm Link Bill, I shoot nudes for three reasons. 1. I hate removing the clothes digitally, or 2. It sells more in my work than non-nudes (the implied pieces do. The fuller nudes do not.), or 3. The model is a hottie-tottie and I want to see her.... no wait, I mean, um oh yeah, The model asked me to! That's it!!!! I have seen so many nude women in my life time that it does not phase me at all anymore. Jun 21 05 02:16 pm Link Posted by bill wylie: To me there is a difference between being nude and being naked. Jun 21 05 03:32 pm Link LOL! Well, I didn't expect such a response to my sarcastic post.  As Ty said, I've seen enough naked women in my lifetime that it doesn't faze me anymore either. What I want to see is beauty, sensuality, elegance, poise. I want to see something alluring in a photography - not just tits and pussy (sorry but that's what a lot of this has become these days). Anyone can photograph a naked body - but it takes a good photographer and an empathic model to create a Vision. Implied in my original comment is the fact that, although a model posted "no nudes", I still checked out her portfolio. I am not looking for just nude models. It's just something I've noticed on many occasions and find hilarious. I guess in some ways it's hypocrisy at its best. I won't do nudes - but here's a portfolio full of them so you can see what I won't do but want you to look at so I can sell myself..... ie - it goes to show that Sex Sells. -Rowen Jun 21 05 03:34 pm Link Posted by Chuck Holliday: are you being serious? most guys shooting nudes are guys shooting naked chicks. let's face it, after the thrill of boasting that you have the latest cano-niko-pentax-olta with a 6 godillion megapixel ccd and $4,000 lens that can shoot down to the subcutaneous level of the model's skin, what else is there to look forward to? Posted by Chuck Holliday: sounds reasonable. Posted by Chuck Holliday: I get that question too, especially from a particular friend of mine. So much so that I got a subscription for him to JUGGS (or something like that) and a pacifier. Hopefully the combination of the two can help reduce his oral fixation to a manageable level. Jun 21 05 03:53 pm Link Regardeless of what's on their port, when their profile says they don't do nudes, I just move on. Just because they've done nudes in the past, and still want me to look at them dosen't necessarily mean they want to do nudes with me. Granted, it sounds just as odd to me as it does everyone else, but it's just the way it is with some [not all] models. Jun 21 05 04:10 pm Link I put "no bottles in my ass" and I totally 100% mean it. Nope! Won't do it! Don't ask me to! I know you wanna! Jun 21 05 05:01 pm Link Posted by Donna Ricci: Donna, you're such a dainty waif that the bottle wouldn't get stuck in you - you'd get stuck in the bottle. Jun 21 05 05:24 pm Link Posted by Ty Simone: I hate to admit it, but I remember that!!! hahaha Jun 21 05 05:36 pm Link So many models indicate "NO NUDITY (often followed with a) DON'T EVEN CONTACT ME" in their profiles in a way that really says "SCREW OFF, PERVERT." I understand someone just not wanting to do it, but really- the way it's often worded goes so much further into casting preconceived judgement. My new poilicy is to ONLY work with models who are willing to shoot nudes- even if I'm working on a fashion shoot, or an editorial project, and I never get around to actually doing it (ok, I exaggerate). I based my entire degree on shooting nudes, I've been doing it since I was 17. It' a legitimate and essential part of what I do, I wouldn't want someone to have an aneurysm were I to suggest it. And a quick note on models who do have nudes in their portfolio, but aren't interested doing more- take them out. Your book is meant to be an accurate reflection of what you're currently capable of and interested in doing, not a scrap book of your past... Jeez, sorry for the rant there, must be the booze  Justin Jun 21 05 08:06 pm Link Ok, and another thing..... If you are a model and you have a portfolio, why are you talking about yourself in third person? -Rowen Jun 22 05 12:01 am Link Posted by renocrystal: Nope...Not even close Jun 22 05 12:29 am Link This again? I have a question, how many times are people going to ask the same question? Why do people lie? Why are people inconsistant? Why is the sky blue? Where do babies come from? Why do people obsess over this crap? Can I have a cookie? Jun 22 05 12:37 am Link you may have a cookie Jun 22 05 12:39 am Link mmmmmmmmmmm cookie !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why bitch about something that annoys you when you can just IGNORE IT ??? You don't have to look at their portfolio, you don't have to read their profile, you don't have to work with them. Jun 22 05 12:46 am Link I think it means, this is my body if you have a paying shoot than I'll strip, but I don't do nudes TFP. So GWC stopping asking when you get to see my sweet titties, Star Jun 22 05 01:34 am Link Posted by Venus: Because bitching is fun! Jun 22 05 01:49 am Link Sometimes pointing out bs helps. Sometimes it just anooys people. sometimes it's not bs at all and the bs-cops are morons. So hard to say. Jun 22 05 01:53 am Link Posted by theda: I just started a slightly related thread: Jun 22 05 02:21 am Link Posted by Venus: Because people have nothing better to do with their time! Jun 22 05 08:05 pm Link The world is full of beautiful and sexay models...enough to not let those things bother you. Jun 22 05 08:36 pm Link True, bitching is fun !!! lol Okay, keep bitching. Jun 22 05 08:42 pm Link Best thing I ran across in here was something about a cookie! Got lots of those...who wants one? Jun 22 05 08:49 pm Link Posted by Donna Ricci: Jun 22 05 08:53 pm Link :::raises hand::: I want a cookie, or two, or three...are they chocolate chip? Jun 22 05 08:54 pm Link Chocolate Chip...peanut butter...and oatmeal...take your pic or mix n match! Would you like milk with that?...lol Jun 22 05 09:36 pm Link You tell 'em, Donna... don't you wish more models were that direct? :-) But the OP has a point, it is contradictory and confusing when words and images don't add up, and at a minimum makes me wonder about a given models ability to communicate. A lot of portfolios deal with the issue very clearly, either no nudity, partial nudity (ok or maybe), or nudity is fine... so for some at least, this is not difficult. I know several models who say no nudity in their portfolios, then did it for me without being asked. There are even more who say no nudes for tfp but make selective exceptions. Mostly they do that because if they said hey, I'll get naked for anybody, then everybody would ask. This way, the model maintains some level of control. She chooses when to disrobe, when she's comfortable with someone. I've done hundreds of nudes, but still consider it a thoughtful gift when someone trusts enough to make the offer without being asked. But if there are nudes in the portfolio, then everybody is going to ask, even if the text says no nudes. Jun 22 05 09:53 pm Link Posted by Ken Mierzwa: Who showed you my bottles in the ass pictures? I demand you tell me WHO?!?!?!?!? Jun 22 05 11:33 pm Link Unfortunatly there are those out there that think "Hey if she does nudes, that must mean she'll do more!" Hate to break it to ya, but that is not always the case. In my profile, it seems like I'm coming off as mean but seriously, I want to make art. But the pervs don't get that. The reason I have that in my profile is because a few years ago, there was a GWC from Las Vegas who wanted to shoot me masterbating. His excuse? He wanted to hang the photos in a gallery in Italy. He sent me sample of his work which were cheap Hustler type quality photos of a girl giving a guy head. I politely told him to go fuck himself and to never contact me again. When he asked why, I told him I don't shoot porn. And he had the nerve to tell me since I did nudes that he thought I would be cool with it. I proceeeded to tell him there is a big difference between artistic nudes and porn and that was not something I was not interested in. I never heard from the pervert again. Now I have no problem with doing nudes whatsoever, but I have a problem when the offers are inappropriate for me. If the next person wants to do porn ... cool! But I think I will pass. Jun 23 05 05:04 am Link No milk for me. I'm lactose intolerant.  Jun 25 05 02:37 am Link |
