Jay Dezelic wrote:
I was asked the other day to dye my hair black for a shoot.  It has never been dyed so I don't know anything about it.  I was told I could just dye it for the day and wash out the dye without doing any damage to my hair.  Is that true?  If so, what kind of dye do I use and how does it go on?

To look most natural I would use the dye that last 1 - 2  weeks as opposed to a day dye or colored gel.
You can get it at the drug store, make sure it says "washed out in 7 - 14 shampoos" or something.
I think it's called a level "1" dye.
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MavenX wrote:
To get your hair a true black, you will have to use a permanent dye and that will not come out. If you want 'darker' hair then a temporary rinse will work, look for Fanciful Rinse's by Roux, put them on wet hair, don't rinse out, it will darken your hair. The semi permanent products that are spoken about above are hit or miss. sometimes they work great and sometimes they don't. These products are also hit or miss on the 'wash out' department, just remember, the better it works to color your hair, the harder it is to get out.

I'd dare say, once you color your hair with any type of color (other than a temporary color) it will NOT go back to what it was before you colored it.

I like the color of my hair now because it is kind of naturally streaked.  I frequently get complements from total strangers.  I have never done anything to it so it's always been low maintenance.  My concern is that if I start coloring it, then it will end up becoming a project.  Is it common for models to agree to temporarily color their hair for photoshoots?

MavenX wrote:
To get your hair a true black, you will have to use a permanent dye and that will not come out. If you want 'darker' hair then a temporary rinse will work, look for Fanciful Rinse's by Roux, put them on wet hair, don't rinse out, it will darken your hair. The semi permanent products that are spoken about above are hit or miss. sometimes they work great and sometimes they don't. These products are also hit or miss on the 'wash out' department, just remember, the better it works to color your hair, the harder it is to get out.

I'd dare say, once you color your hair with any type of color (other than a temporary color) it will NOT go back to what it was before you colored it.

She is right. Especially really dark colors (they have red pigments in them) will be very hard to get out of your hair again just by washing it. Also how light is your hair right now? Any kind of dye sticks to damaged hair and even the ones that are supposed to wash out after a few days can end up staying like a regular permanent dye. I would recommend that you get it done by someone who knows what he does, like in a salon. If you have naturally streaked hair, from the sun etc., the dye will look different on those parts and may become greenish. One extreme example would be the boyfriend of my best friend. He didn't want to wait until I have time to do his hair and bought black wash out hair dye for his blonde hair, he is now blue!!

Reticence Photography wrote:
You can get those demi-permanent washes, but there is no gurantee that it will come out of your hair the way they say it will. I work for a salon, and we get at least a handful of people every month that tried doing what you're talking about. They then spend over $200 getting a color correction that may never get back to the color you originally had. Black is impossible to get out of your hair without bleaching, which is essentially what fries your hair.

Unless this shoot is paying you enough money for it to be worth it, buy a wig.

A wig is starting to sound like a much better idea.  The Goth type shoot is not paying anything - just TFP.  I was told by the photog that it would be easy to do and washes out immediately.  Obviously not entirely true.

Jay Dezelic wrote:

A wig is starting to sound like a much better idea.  The Goth type shoot is not paying anything - just TFP.  I was told by the photog that it would be easy to do and washes out immediately.  Obviously not entirely true.

The damage will not be done by the color but with the product used to remove it out of your hair ( bleach or color removers). The semi permanent colors if you hair is porous will not come out and will stain your hair permanently. For a TFP shoot i would go with a wig for sure specially with the lenght of your hair ( unless you plan on cutting after ). You will never get back to your natural color if you use any kind of haircolor ( rinses,demi, semi or permanent), and might go thrue green hues as it washes out as well.
I make good money fixing peoples that use thoses store products

MavenX wrote:
To get your hair a true black, you will have to use a permanent dye and that will not come out. If you want 'darker' hair then a temporary rinse will work, look for Fanciful Rinse's by Roux, put them on wet hair, don't rinse out, it will darken your hair. The semi permanent products that are spoken about above are hit or miss. sometimes they work great and sometimes they don't. These products are also hit or miss on the 'wash out' department, just remember, the better it works to color your hair, the harder it is to get out.

I'd dare say, once you color your hair with any type of color (other than a temporary color) it will NOT go back to what it was before you colored it.

I died my hair blackest black out of the spur of the moment and loved it but now I want another color and my stylist said its almost impossible to re dye my hair without causing damage.

Jay Dezelic wrote:
I was asked the other day to dye my hair black for a shoot.  It has never been dyed so I don't know anything about it.  I was told I could just dye it for the day and wash out the dye without doing any damage to my hair.  Is that true?  If so, what kind of dye do I use and how does it go on?

If you decide to color your hair...go to a pro...do not do it yourself, that is what ruins your hair.  I have been having my hair colored for 6+ years, I'm 45 and my hair would be snow white if I didn't.  I go every 30 days to a salon.  My hair is as healthy as ever, it is not coarse, it has not thinned, there has been no damage done to it since I started.  The problem is people think they can do it at home and use the same product that salons use.  It can't be done, it needs to be done by someone that knows what they're doing.  Also, if you do color it (or dye), do not use color removers, let the color grow out on it's own.  Coloring your hair is fine, just make sure a pro does it.

MavenX wrote:
I'd dare say, once you color your hair with any type of color (other than a temporary color) it will NOT go back to what it was before you colored it.

Where do you get your info?  If you think about that comment you will see how impossible it is for it to be true.  The colored part of your hair will eventually grow out.  Hair is a living growing thing.  What is colored is what can be seen, that's why people that color their hair end up wih roots.  If you color your hair, then stop, your hair will continue to grow and the color will grow out, eventually leaving you with your original hair color.

Luzana wrote:

I died my hair blackest black out of the spur of the moment and loved it but now I want another color and my stylist said its almost impossible to re dye my hair without causing damage.

How long has it been since your last color?  As long as you use a good quality shampoo and conditioner, you can re-color without damage after a couple weeks.

BasementStudios wrote:
If you decide to color your hair...go to a pro...do not do it yourself, that is what ruins your hair.  I have been having my hair colored for 6+ years, I'm 45 and my hair would be snow white if I didn't.  I go every 30 days to a salon.  My hair is as healthy as ever, it is not coarse, it has not thinned, there has been no damage done to it since I started.  The problem is people think they can do it at home and use the same product that salons use.  It can't be done, it needs to be done by someone that knows what they're doing.  Also, if you do color it (or dye), do not use color removers, let the color grow out on it's own.  Coloring your hair is fine, just make sure a pro does it.

Don't belive the propaganda.  Hair dye isn't rocket science.  It's damaging no matter who does it.  If you keep your hair well conditioned and short, the damage won't show. 

I've been dying my hair myself (or having friends do it) with pro stuff for 12 years.  It wasn't until I got cocky and quadruple processed I had any trouble.  Don't bleach the same hair 4 times.  Just don't.

And in order for the girl above to dye her hair another color, she'd need to strip it. That's why it's not possible without serious damage. A lot of people's hair can't withstand that amount of stripping.

BasementStudios wrote:

How long has it been since your last color?  As long as you use a good quality shampoo and conditioner, you can re-color without damage after a couple weeks.

I just dyed it the day before Valentines nd its as black as day 1. I use Pantene Pro V shampoo and conditioner.

theda wrote:

Don't belive the propaganda.  Hair dye isn't rocket science.  It's damaging no matter who does it.  If you keep your hair well conditioned and short, the damage won't show. 

I've been dying my hair myself (or having friends do it) with pro stuff for 12 years.  It wasn't until I got cocky and quadruple processed I had any trouble.  Don't bleach the same hair 4 times.  Just don't.

And in order for the girl above to dye her hair another color, she'd need to strip it. That's why it's not possible without serious damage. A lot of people's hair can't withstand that amount of stripping.

Not rocket science but any one even out of school could told you that bleaching your hair 4 times is not something to do . So you just made a great point , a pro would never done this And stripping is usually done by a dancer around a pole not hair term. It must be something about understanding color pigments in hair or we would not be correcting colors all day in salons done by people who think just like that ;-) But again what do i know , i only do hair for a living

Olivier wrote:
Not rocket science but any one even out of school could told you that bleaching your hair 4 times is not something to do . So you just made a great point , a pro would never done this And stripping is usually done by a dancer around a pole not hair term. It must be something about understanding color pigments in hair or we would not be correcting colors all day in salons done by people who think just like that ;-) But again what do i know , i only do hair for a living

Hey, it was fine the first three times. I've actually seen pros do much, much worse.  It was four times was over a period of several months, but I needed to trim off the old ends in between and I didn't that time.  It's the only time I ever screwed up my own hair, whereas the "pros" have thrown up their hands and told me to do my own color because they couldn't figure out why their dyes wouldn't take.

And of course stripping is something you do with a pole. All these people are liars: http://www.google.com/search?hs=SMj&hl= … tnG=Search

You may do it for a living, but I do know how to color my hair, thanks.

BasementStudios wrote:

How long has it been since your last color?  As long as you use a good quality shampoo and conditioner, you can re-color without damage after a couple weeks.

I don't know where you get your information b/c as far as i know you are not a professional cosmetologist. rule of thimb is COLOR DOES NOT LIFT COLOR. therefore if she colors her hair black, she can never recolor the that portion of the hair any lighter than it already is unless bleach is used which will damage the hair. it doesn'r matter how many times she shampoos it. she can shampoo it every day for a year and still not be able to put hair color over the previosly colored (the black portion) portion of her hair and have it come out right.

theda wrote:

Don't belive the propaganda.  Hair dye isn't rocket science.  It's damaging no matter who does it.  If you keep your hair well conditioned and short, the damage won't show. 

I've been dying my hair myself (or having friends do it) with pro stuff for 12 years.  It wasn't until I got cocky and quadruple processed I had any trouble.  Don't bleach the same hair 4 times.  Just don't.

And in order for the girl above to dye her hair another color, she'd need to strip it. That's why it's not possible without serious damage. A lot of people's hair can't withstand that amount of stripping.

It doesn't matter if you are using proffesional products or not (you can still use proffesional product to damage your hair if done improperly) what matters is how it is custom formulated by the stylist and how it is applied. please don't say "oh i tried the 'proffessional stuff' and it still damaged my hair" I am a proffessional stylist and my clients have beautiful healthy long colored hair because i use proffessional products and i use them CORRECTLY. for example, you can purchase "proffessional" tools that "real live" doctors use (like scalples and such), but if you are untrained to use them it doesn't matter how "proffesional" the tools are, you probably won't find much success in doing your own surgery.

Olivier wrote:

Not rocket science but any one even out of school could told you that bleaching your hair 4 times is not something to do . So you just made a great point , a pro would never done this And stripping is usually done by a dancer around a pole not hair term. It must be something about understanding color pigments in hair or we would not be correcting colors all day in salons done by people who think just like that ;-) But again what do i know , i only do hair for a living

THANK YOU!

Olivier wrote:
Not rocket science but any one even out of school could told you that bleaching your hair 4 times is not something to do . So you just made a great point , a pro would never done this And stripping is usually done by a dancer around a pole not hair term. It must be something about understanding color pigments in hair or we would not be correcting colors all day in salons done by people who think just like that ;-) But again what do i know , i only do hair for a living

it would be wise for you guys to heed the advice of professionals like olivier. you wouldnt want to be one of those tragic cases of a chemical cut or chemical bangs. If you are a model your look is your product that you are selling- and only a professional will know how to "handle with care" a person like that.

we stylists are not here to throw advice to empty ears.

theda wrote:
Don't belive the propaganda.  Hair dye isn't rocket science.  It's damaging no matter who does it.  If you keep your hair well conditioned and short, the damage won't show. 

I've been dying my hair myself (or having friends do it) with pro stuff for 12 years.  It wasn't until I got cocky and quadruple processed I had any trouble.  Don't bleach the same hair 4 times.  Just don't.

And in order for the girl above to dye her hair another color, she'd need to strip it. That's why it's not possible without serious damage. A lot of people's hair can't withstand that amount of stripping.

I don't speak from so called propoganda, experience, with my own hair and my wife having her hair colored for 15+ years.  To re-color hair it does not have to be stripped, try a stylist with real experience, you'll see.  Two years ago my wife tried a brassier red, she didn't like it, looked bad.  A month later she went back and had it re-colored.  Her hair is long and just as soft and silky as it was the day we met, 20 years ago.  When it is done correctly, by a professional that knows what they're doing, using a quality professional product, it will not damage your hair.  You don't want to believe it, that's up to you, but I know from experience.

Emily Chen wrote:
I don't know where you get your information b/c as far as i know you are not a professional cosmetologist. rule of thimb is COLOR DOES NOT LIFT COLOR. therefore if she colors her hair black, she can never recolor the that portion of the hair any lighter than it already is unless bleach is used which will damage the hair. it doesn'r matter how many times she shampoos it. she can shampoo it every day for a year and still not be able to put hair color over the previosly colored (the black portion) portion of her hair and have it come out right.

I get my information from life.....my own hair...my wife's hair....and the wonderful stylist that has been doing our hair for years, try reading the thread, you would've known that.