Forums > General Industry > Listing models you wont work with in your profile.

Photographer

BradyPhotography I

Posts: 464

Gaithersburg, Maryland, US

good or bad?

Not giving any reasons, no comments at all!

Against the rules on MM?

Feb 23 06 02:53 pm Link

Model

Just AJ

Posts: 3478

Round Rock, Texas, US

I hope to never EVER make any such list.  But as a nosy individual. . .would love to see who does.   big_smile

Feb 23 06 02:54 pm Link

Photographer

BradyPhotography I

Posts: 464

Gaithersburg, Maryland, US

Jayne Jones wrote:
I hope to never EVER make any such list.  But as a nosy individual. . .would love to see who does.   big_smile

Jayne, ROTFLMAO!

Feb 23 06 02:56 pm Link

Makeup Artist

BridgitC-Makeup Artist

Posts: 231

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Why? What would be the point? A person knows if you will not work with them again, unless it is a job that you have no control over who is hired...In my opinion Bad Idea.....

Feb 23 06 02:56 pm Link

Photographer

LimbSys Photography

Posts: 215

Jacksonville, Florida, US

This could so go either way. On the one hand, it would be really useful to know who's a flake and who isn't. On the toher hand, well, you know the other hand or you wouldn't have asked. I haven't had my time wasted by anyone yet, I guess I'm fortunate; but the subject is compelling. Bound to happen sooner or later. I generally check references before booking time with people. I think that's probably sufficient.

Feb 23 06 02:58 pm Link

Photographer

Beatbox Jeebus v2

Posts: 10046

Palatine, Illinois, US

Probably a bad idea that will make other models who might potentially work with you think again... Just my opinion though. There are a few models with whom I will never work with again, but to state on a profile would only hurt potential shoots.

Feb 23 06 02:58 pm Link

Photographer

Mikel Featherston

Posts: 11103

San Diego, California, US

Probably a bad idea. It's is best to keep the negative out of your profile. You are selling yourself and your services with the words you choose. Don't sell yourself as a negative person.

Feb 23 06 02:58 pm Link

Model

Just AJ

Posts: 3478

Round Rock, Texas, US

What if you used codenames????  Then can us ooglers have a list???  Hmmmm???

Feb 23 06 03:59 pm Link

Hair Stylist

rick lesser

Posts: 1116

Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US

But then aren't you open for the model saying something back?  Remember there are three sides to a story.  It could turn into the blame game!  Funny but I was thinking of posting license plate numbers on my blog for those drivers who just worked my nerves!  Even had offers to help build the list!  Now I'll have to re think this!  R-

Feb 23 06 07:56 pm Link

Photographer

Brian Diaz

Posts: 65617

Danbury, Connecticut, US

I call it for trash.

Feb 23 06 07:59 pm Link

Model

Jeri Lynn Astra

Posts: 240

Pleasantville, New York, US

Personally, I think it's on the rant-y side and a tad bit tacky.

Feb 23 06 08:00 pm Link

Model

PetiteSamantha

Posts: 93

Brooklyn, Indiana, US

I could see only if someone did something absolutely horrible to you, you might want to put a "warning" on your page, but otherwise it just seems like a really childish idea to air your dirty laundry out in public!

Feb 23 06 08:03 pm Link

Photographer

Hamza

Posts: 7791

New York, New York, US

I think as a Photographer, we should be able to know what other Photogs think of models... and visa versa...

Feb 23 06 08:09 pm Link

Photographer

Mikel Featherston

Posts: 11103

San Diego, California, US

Hamza wrote:
I think as a Photographer, we should be able to know what other Photogs think of models... and visa versa...

That's why you check references. It does work both ways.

Feb 23 06 08:31 pm Link

Photographer

Hamza

Posts: 7791

New York, New York, US

Mikel Featherston wrote:

That's why you check references. It does work both ways.

References mean nothing... people only give you the good ones!

Feb 23 06 08:34 pm Link

Photographer

William Coleman

Posts: 2371

New York, New York, US

It sounds like a better idea than it is, most likely.  It will become he said/she said in no time.

Feb 23 06 08:36 pm Link

Photographer

Jose Luis

Posts: 2890

Dallas, Texas, US

I know Im tacky but I leave nasty tags when people flake on me or totally lie or something.  I know they delete em- but I try to point it out to as many people on Shoutbox before they do, hehe.

-Jose

Feb 23 06 08:36 pm Link

Photographer

Mikel Featherston

Posts: 11103

San Diego, California, US

Hamza wrote:

References mean nothing... people only give you the good ones!

Ahh, but I pull names of photographers that they post pictures from. And remember, without the full story of why a photographer won't work with a particular model, you can't make an informed decision in either direction.

Feb 23 06 08:39 pm Link

Photographer

Ron B Blake

Posts: 497

Macomb, Illinois, US

Hamza wrote:

References mean nothing... people only give you the good ones!

your wrong, references do mean everything and more then fake tags in blowing sunshine up each others ass in over ratting each other for brownie points. The portfolio speaks the best in actual work and assingments that have actually made print or commercial publication less .20 post cards or some porn magazine.

so many people consider them selves professional experienced models and dont even have a comp card  or tear sheets

Sincerely
Ron Blake

Feb 23 06 08:39 pm Link

Model

RunwayCatwalker

Posts: 18

Like they say there is 2 sides to a story. So it can be a damage to either one of you also can bring skepticisim too!....those models can gang up you and make you look bad so whose side will people be on. Its tough... unless someone you know very well wishes to hire that model then maybe you can alert them. but then again some people can work better with others than you do with them maybe you have bad luck with those models.

Feb 23 06 08:42 pm Link

Photographer

JT Hodges

Posts: 2191

Austin, Texas, US

Bad idea.

It looks tacky, and petty. The model can put something like that about you on her/his portfolio. There is no evidence to prove or disprove who is right.

Sooner or later, out of all of those people who had a close relative go to the hospital, one will be telling the truth.

Feb 23 06 08:42 pm Link

Photographer

DanPhoto

Posts: 121

Tampa, Florida, US

I think its best if you have a network of friend to just put the word out via phone conversation or digi-message that Jane-doe did not show up or was very unprofessional. DON'T put a list on site just pass the word around. This happend to me took her off friend list and passed word round haven't seen any new images on her port.

-D

Feb 23 06 08:43 pm Link

Photographer

Ron B Blake

Posts: 497

Macomb, Illinois, US

if references mean nothing, then why do most potential clients hire me almost immediately after seeing a co workers images

or call 4 references?

you run your business your way and i will run mine based on what has been working well less the bull shit brownie point tags and photo comments kissing ass

Feb 23 06 08:44 pm Link

Photographer

udor

Posts: 25255

New York, New York, US

Intriguing idea!

However, there maybe models that are flaky with one photographer for whatever personal reasons, but perfectly professional with another photographer, who is excited about the shoot.

Same as some models like one photographers work they did with them... but others photographers work, with the same model simply sucks...

Think it's a not so good idea...

Feb 23 06 08:44 pm Link

Photographer

BCG

Posts: 7316

San Antonio, Florida, US

honestly...i think that it would be in piss poor taste to even THINK about black balling talent...what type of impotant twit would even consider such listings???...i dont care how many times the gal no shows...real mean dont blacklist babes.

Feb 23 06 08:44 pm Link

Photographer

Mikel Featherston

Posts: 11103

San Diego, California, US

JT Hodges wrote:
Sooner or later, out of all of those people who had a close relative go to the hospital, one will be honestly telling the truth.

I had a flat tire the other day right before a coffee meeting with a new model. I was late, but found it so wonderfully ironic.

Feb 23 06 08:44 pm Link

Photographer

Vector 38

Posts: 8296

Austin, Texas, US

no! what's the point? ... and who needs the negative energy?

frank, photog

Feb 23 06 08:46 pm Link

Photographer

Ron B Blake

Posts: 497

Macomb, Illinois, US

But there are certain photographers whos work is decent but convinces new models who they have had there first shoot to stay clear of so and so and like a PIMP controls them

No references were contacted or better judgment decisions made on the photographers portfolio but based on so and so says stay clear or waste of time

control freaks want it all and cant share in networking

Feb 23 06 08:47 pm Link

Photographer

Richard Tallent

Posts: 7136

Beaumont, Texas, US

I'd like to see some real way of linking to models I've worked with and providing real feedback. Something link eBay's seller/buyer rankings, so bad ratings ("they flaked") can be replied to ("car broke/cat died/whatever") and people can make their own decisions.

(This reply might be better served in the Site Discussion, but it fit the thread...)

Feb 24 06 12:21 am Link

Photographer

William Coleman

Posts: 2371

New York, New York, US

No matter how you organize it, people wouldn't know who to believe.  It would just cause a lot of finger-pointing, and that would leave a bad taste in all our mouths.

Feb 24 06 12:27 am Link

Photographer

Jack D Trute

Posts: 4558

New York, New York, US

Only  makes the person who does it look bad.

end of story.

We all wait clean virgins in all aspects of life.  When you learn that and present that you are a step ahead.

Feb 24 06 12:29 am Link

Model

theda

Posts: 21719

New York, New York, US

Jack D Trute wrote:
Only  makes the person who does it look bad.

end of story.

Jack pretty much nailed it.

Feb 24 06 02:48 am Link

Photographer

XposurePhoto

Posts: 890

Houston, Texas, US

just keep photos of that person in your profile, and if someone asks, then you will tell... if they did not ask, it means they did not do their homework and deserve to work with such person..and again, as mentioned, it may work out great with others...

Feb 24 06 03:03 am Link

Model

scarletdiva

Posts: 551

Los Angeles, California, US

Jayne Jones wrote:
I hope to never EVER make any such list.  But as a nosy individual. . .would love to see who does.   big_smile

me too!!!!!!1 any examples?? lol

Feb 24 06 03:14 am Link

Photographer

J Merrill Images

Posts: 1412

Harvey, Illinois, US

I wouldn't do it - too much drama for me.

Feb 24 06 03:20 am Link

Photographer

SimonL

Posts: 772

Manchester, England, United Kingdom

I guess you'll consider it great fun - right up to the point where YOUR name starts appearing on Models lists...

Feb 24 06 03:31 am Link

Photographer

photomale

Posts: 131

Sterling Heights, Michigan, US

DanPhoto wrote:
I think its best if you have a network of friend to just put the word out via phone conversation or digi-message that Jane-doe did not show up or was very unprofessional.
-D

Ahhh, vengeance is INDEED sweet. hehehe.

I have to agree with Dan since I know from experience that this works. I have a VERY CLOSE knit of photographer friends I respect and trust that I ask whether or not they have informations on a particular model I want to shoot and/or hire. Most of the time they do since the modelling world is VERY small whether you believe it or not. If, on those RARE occassions, they do not have first hand info on a model, they usually know of someone who has worked with him/her. I have changed my mind shooting about a half-dozen models because of "warnings" from my friends. To me, talking to other photographers is the best way to get the scoop on prospective models.

So models, if you know you talk about photographers, rest assured that photographers talk about you as well. wink

Feb 24 06 03:36 am Link

Model

shellyradley

Posts: 1201

Dublin, Dublin, Ireland

isn't there a website already that lists this?

i am going to have to look into that!! and let you know

xx shelly

Feb 24 06 03:45 am Link