Forums > General Industry > GWC - Guy with Camera - The real DEFINITION.......

Model

Hollywood Starlet

Posts: 5487

Beverly Hills, California, US

LeDeux Art wrote:
GWC guy with camera, the guy with camera thinks with his prick, this is reflected in the images he shoots, he may or may not try to bed the models he works with but there is always a box of tissues by his computer, a GWC might steal images or claim someone is stealing theirs, anything for sympathy, smart GWC's learn to take a picture real well to lure prettier models but is not into the art and often are one trick ponys... all photographers are potintial GWC's

Hollywood Starlet wrote:
Thanks hon...

This seems to be the most common definition.

I always thought a GWC was only an inexperienced photographer.

Never knew it had to do with sexual advances.

Wow!

yikes

peter leverett wrote:
Not just sexual advances, but they are after your $$$$.

yikes

Wow!

Sep 12 08 06:54 am Link

Photographer

c t m f o t o

Posts: 78

Terre Haute, Indiana, US

What if you are a guy with two cameras?

Sep 12 08 06:55 am Link

Model

Hollywood Starlet

Posts: 5487

Beverly Hills, California, US

Wayne King wrote:
What if you are a guy with two cameras?

yikes

= GWC's???

lol

Sep 12 08 06:56 am Link

Model

Hollywood Starlet

Posts: 5487

Beverly Hills, California, US

R2S DIGITAL PHOTOGRAPHY wrote:
GWC: indicates that the photographer has no real talent or creativety & is only into it to get cheap thrills & hopefully get laid

Thanks for providing your definition.

smile

Sep 12 08 07:00 am Link

Photographer

Glamour by Glenn

Posts: 1033

Chattanooga, Tennessee, US

PhotoJoe wrote:
Why wouldnt you call a Playboy Photographer a GWC. 
He's a Creep, obviously got into the bizz to take pics of naked girls.
and i wouldnt be suprised if he has screwed a few of the models he's shot.

so whats the diff.   

now if someone is actually steeling photo's and calling them his own...then he's not a GWC...he's a thief.

I'm trying to figure you out. I see disdain for Playboy photogs but I look at your portfolio and you do nudes and have a link to
http://www.couldbenaughty.com/  and you created a list of links to Adult Erotic 18+ photos here on MM.

Glenn C

Sep 12 08 07:10 am Link

Photographer

Glamour1 Studio

Posts: 1279

Baltimore, Maryland, US

I think that Model Mayhem has Tons of GWC's and Wanna Be Models !

Lately the Internet has created these categories . . . .

With site like the one's mention . . . .  MM anad OMP !

It would be nice if there was a site with more censorship or definition of its purpose !

BTW ? ? ? ?

Am I a GWC  ? ? ? ? I'm a Glamour  , , , ,Playboy Style Photographer ? ? ?    smile

Sep 12 08 07:18 am Link

Photographer

K E E L I N G

Posts: 39894

Peoria, Illinois, US

Everyone keeps focusing on lack of talent and style of shooting.  That is absolutely irrelevant when trying to define GWC.

It has nothing to do with how good the product you produce is.  It is about why you produced that product in the first place.

Sep 12 08 07:25 am Link

Photographer

Photographer Simon Mott

Posts: 2879

Kirkland, Washington, US

Its interesting to read this thread and it made me think of something. Several models that I have worked with have told me of a click of local photographers on the island who are always trying to get them to go topless or get naked to the point where they would say something like " you know if you want to make it in this business this is what you have to do." Now mind you these photographers are well known as "professionals" and a couple of them have worked with some big names in the industry from what I see. So my question is if a photographer is has an established reputation as a "professional" but yet is always trying to get girls to be naked then what do you call them, just perverted? What I am getting is that if you are not doing it for the art or with the intent of producing great images then that would qualify you as a GWC or is this type of mentality as it regards to pro level photographers just deemed unprofessional?

Simon.

Sep 12 08 07:34 am Link

Artist/Painter

Michael Edmonds

Posts: 76

New York, New York, US

The problem with that definition is that it no longer means anything.
GWC, could mean a 'creep.'
GWC could mean 'unprofessional.'
GWC could mean he has no 'eye.'

All of these can be said of 'professional' photographers with lighting skills and all the equipment in the world.

I work in advertising... and whatever sells the product is what gets used.
High-end photography don't sell no American Apparel.
Low-end 'GWC'-looking photography don't sell no high-end diamonds (not yet).

Digital photography has leveled the playing field for bad photography! lol

ME

Sep 12 08 07:35 am Link

Model

Trinette

Posts: 1612

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

Titles hold people back. 

Titles mean little considering they mean a million different things to a million different people. 

The internet doesn't help this. 

Why we cling to these silly things, I will forever wonder about...for like a minute.  smile

Sep 12 08 07:50 am Link

Model

Hollywood Starlet

Posts: 5487

Beverly Hills, California, US

There are several generalizations of GWC by a large number of people.

GWC = lack of talent (which is what I originally thought)

GWC = inappropriate sexual advances

or GWC = both of the above??

idk...

There is a common definition in this thread though....

mmmmm

Interesting......

Sep 12 08 08:21 am Link

Model

Hollywood Starlet

Posts: 5487

Beverly Hills, California, US

Glamour1 Studio wrote:
I think that Model Mayhem has Tons of GWC's and Wanna Be Models !

Lately the Internet has created these categories . . . .

With site like the one's mention . . . .  MM anad OMP !

It would be nice if there was a site with more censorship or definition of its purpose !

BTW ? ? ? ?

Am I a GWC  ? ? ? ? I'm a Glamour  , , , ,Playboy Style Photographer ? ? ?    smile

Aww babes idk....but I like your avatar smile

Blond girl posing in the frame...

cool stuff man.

smile

Sep 12 08 08:23 am Link

Photographer

GCobb Photography

Posts: 15898

Southaven, Mississippi, US

Stefano Brunesci wrote:
While GWC is used on many sites to mean simply "guy with camera" with the implication that he may not have much skill or professionalism, the Model Mayhem usage is a little stricter:-

https://www.modelmayhem.com/faqs.php?fa … =22&link=1

Basically, if you call someone a GWC here you are accusing him of only being interested in seeing naked women for his own pleasure and using his camera as a prop to facilitate that. By this definition, a GWC might actually have excellent photography skills, but if his motivation for taking photos is only to get women naked then he's a GWC regardless of the quality of his work.

Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano

QFT and scribed into the archives.

Sep 12 08 08:27 am Link

Photographer

GCobb Photography

Posts: 15898

Southaven, Mississippi, US

Hollywood Starlet wrote:
There are several generalizations of GWC by a large number of people.

GWC = lack of talent (which is what I originally thought)

GWC = inappropriate sexual advances

or GWC = both of the above??

idk...

There is a common definition in this thread though....

mmmmm

Interesting......

This has been answered, read above.

Sep 12 08 08:28 am Link

Model

Hollywood Starlet

Posts: 5487

Beverly Hills, California, US

I saw it..

I agreed with Stefano as well on pg 1.

Thanks Greg.

smile

Sep 12 08 08:29 am Link

Model

Aussiekylie

Posts: 743

Newcastle, New South Wales, Australia

Hi there.... how is everyone? Just wondered how a GWC is supposed to get a start in the 1st place, surely he isnt a pro from the get go. I must be a GWP - girl who poses.

Have a gr8 weekend ppl.

x

Sep 12 08 08:30 am Link

Photographer

-WB-

Posts: 547

Maassluis, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands

Michael Edmonds wrote:
The problem with that definition is that it no longer means anything.
GWC, could mean a 'creep.'
GWC could mean 'unprofessional.'
GWC could mean he has no 'eye.'

All of these can be said of 'professional' photographers with lighting skills and all the equipment in the world.

...........

You forgot:
GWC, could mean 'he's after your money, soul or whatever: he's evil'
;-)

On the critique forum I was once called a GWC because I used the same background in different shoots (I admit 3 out of 7 shoots I shot with the same background, but I am a GWS: guy without studio. And I like that wall).
So; to some, GWC could mean 'he uses a background more than once'.
:-p

I think in the end it's about behaviour (the creep part) and the output (snapshots? --> GWC-label)

Sep 12 08 08:31 am Link

Photographer

JR Simms

Posts: 27

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

One might also define as Geek Without Character!

;-)

Sep 12 08 08:33 am Link

Model

Hollywood Starlet

Posts: 5487

Beverly Hills, California, US

Michael Edmonds wrote:
The problem with that definition is that it no longer means anything.
GWC, could mean a 'creep.'
GWC could mean 'unprofessional.'
GWC could mean he has no 'eye.'

All of these can be said of 'professional' photographers with lighting skills and all the equipment in the world.

...........

-WB- wrote:
You forgot:
GWC, could mean 'he's after your money, soul or whatever: he's evil'
;-)

On the critique forum I was once called a GWC because I used the same background in different shoots (I admit 3 out of 7 shoots I shot with the same background, but I am a GWS: guy without studio. And I like that wall).
So; to some, GWC could mean 'he uses a background more than once'.
:-p

I think in the end it's about behaviour (the creep part) and the output (snapshots? --> GWC-label)


Maybe the definition should be altered into:
A GWC is only interested in shooting beautiful people (m/f), while a photographer is interested in making beautiful pictures of people.

Hey you!!

hienvy

So someone referred to you as a GWC based on your work too?

So many types of GWC's! yikes

How dare they call you a GWC.

smile

::heads to your port to find her fave shots::

Sep 12 08 08:35 am Link

Model

Hollywood Starlet

Posts: 5487

Beverly Hills, California, US

No they did not call you a GWC based on your work?!!

https://modelmayhm-1.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/080730/20/489107f7a72e4_m.jpg
    https://modelmayhm-1.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/080304/13/47cd9075abce0_m.jpg

yikes

Shame on them!!

smile

Sep 12 08 08:38 am Link

Photographer

Vamp Boudoir

Posts: 11446

Florence, South Carolina, US

peter leverett wrote:
i agree, there are to many of them.....there are a few that think they are a model agent, photographer, director, and so on....

How about the slime ball that poses as an agent, has them sign an Exclusive contract, gets nude shots and sells them to a porn site, all the while being "respectful" and promising modeling work, while the newbie models are none the wiser.

[edit]..and can't pull of a good shot within one in one thousand..even then, it's luck.

Sep 12 08 08:43 am Link

Photographer

Starr Images

Posts: 173

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Stefano Brunesci wrote:
Basically, if you call someone a GWC here you are accusing him of only being interested in seeing naked women for his own pleasure and using his camera as a prop to facilitate that. By this definition, a GWC might actually have excellent photography skills, but if his motivation for taking photos is only to get women naked then he's a GWC regardless of the quality of his work.

Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano

I agree 100% with THIS definition, and I alas, am guilty of this ! The female body is a beautiful thing, and nearly ALL my shots where it shows it generates more comments & views than my "covered" shots, so whats up with THAT ??? .....no apoligies for being a GWC here ;-)

Sep 12 08 08:43 am Link

Photographer

FrizzyCube

Posts: 441

New York, New York, US

Not a big fan of the word GWC as it sorta puts everyone in the same category.

Just like there are Slimeballs in the GWC's there are Slimeballs in the Photographers realm.

In Visa versa, there are those who are serious about their craft and have the love for what they do whether they are a beginner or a pro.

Never underestimate those who are passionate, for they may be standing next you side by side one day.

wink

Sep 12 08 08:59 am Link

Model

Hollywood Starlet

Posts: 5487

Beverly Hills, California, US

FrizzyCube wrote:
Never underestimate those who are passionate, for they may be standing next you side by side one day.

wink

Now, this everyone, is soooooooooooooooo true.

Be careful how you judge people who are less experienced than you.

You may need them if you fall as they rise.

They will remember how you treated them.

I never forget how people treat me.

Maybe forgive, but never forget.

smile

Sep 12 08 09:03 am Link

Photographer

Atris Everson

Posts: 966

Mansfield, Ohio, US

Creativity is all in the eye of the beholder. You may look at my urban glamour images and call them trash. I might look at your model with a guitar work and say its garbage. Its all about what your tastes are.

For every "talentless" photographer out there, theres probably one or two new models out there dying to get naked in front of his or her wrinkled backdrop. The problem lies in when one of these photographers tries to climb the skill ladder. To hold these individuals down we come up with terms like "GWC" and "MySpace Model". We create posts of all the horrific details of the photographer who got a little excited during the shoot or about the model who flaked and came up with some lame excuse. All this serves to kill off any unecessary competition.

As someone said above we all have a little voyeur in all of us. We all appreciate beauty and it all boils down to having a healthy balance of professionalism, safety,  and keeping a shoot fun. Stop labeling people and get out there and shoot!

Sep 12 08 09:05 am Link

Photographer

LeDeux Art

Posts: 50123

San Ramon, California, US

alot of times people will call a beginner a GWC and that kinda ticks me off, its complete B.S. in time the true artist will improve and the GWC label is best reserved for those that are just trying to get their rocks off.

Sep 12 08 09:09 am Link

Model

Hollywood Starlet

Posts: 5487

Beverly Hills, California, US

Atris Everson wrote:
Creativity is all in the eye of the beholder. You may look at my urban glamour images and call them trash. I might look at your model with a guitar work and say its garbage. Its all about what your tastes are.....

it all boils down to having a healthy balance of professionalism, safety,  and keeping a shoot fun.

True.

qft

Different tastes are prevalent.

Sep 12 08 09:09 am Link

Model

Hollywood Starlet

Posts: 5487

Beverly Hills, California, US

LeDeux Art wrote:
alot of times people will call a beginner a GWC and that kinda ticks me off, its complete B.S. in time the true artist will improve and the GWC label is best reserved for those that are just trying to get their rocks off.

Every pro photographer was once a beginner,
unless someone says they've been talented all the way.

Sep 12 08 09:10 am Link

Photographer

LeDeux Art

Posts: 50123

San Ramon, California, US

Hollywood Starlet wrote:
No they did not call you a GWC based on your work?!!

https://modelmayhm-1.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/080730/20/489107f7a72e4_m.jpg
    https://modelmayhm-1.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/080304/13/47cd9075abce0_m.jpg

yikes

Shame on them!!

smile

you can spot the GWC based on their work, things that give it away is when every image looks the same, this is a trap that a lot of photographers will fall into but a true artist will explore and not just go for that tried and true safe shot every single time

Sep 12 08 09:12 am Link

Photographer

LeDeux Art

Posts: 50123

San Ramon, California, US

Hollywood Starlet wrote:
Every pro photographer was once a beginner,
unless someone says they've been talented all the way.

exactly and its wrong to ridicule someone for being a beginner, wait untill they F up before you jump their ship, remember MM is the greatest show in town and today their are thousands of young boys that dream of being the next Bruce Talbot or Escalante and that beats the heck outa wanting to be the next drug dealer any day

Sep 12 08 09:14 am Link

Photographer

LeDeux Art

Posts: 50123

San Ramon, California, US

my lady, pardon the H/J but you dont ever sleep do you?

Sep 12 08 09:15 am Link

Model

Hollywood Starlet

Posts: 5487

Beverly Hills, California, US

LeDeux Art wrote:
my lady, pardon the H/J but you dont ever sleep do you?

I do, but tonight I can't....maybe excitement, I don't know....

Maybe boredom beyond belief..

I have not a clue.

::shrugs in her night clothes::

lol

Sep 12 08 09:17 am Link

Model

Hollywood Starlet

Posts: 5487

Beverly Hills, California, US

Hollywood Starlet wrote:
Every pro photographer was once a beginner,
unless someone says they've been talented all the way.

LeDeux Art wrote:
exactly and its wrong to ridicule someone for being a beginner, wait untill they F up before you jump their ship, remember MM is the greatest show in town and today their are thousands of young boys that dream of being the next Bruce Talbot or Escalante and that beats the heck outa wanting to be the next drug dealer any day

lol

Right on!

Let people live their dreams..

They get there eventually.

It's a process.

There will always be someone who doesn't believe in you.

I'll never forget that.

Or try to tear you down the first chance they get.

Especially, after they see you doing well.

Sep 12 08 09:19 am Link

Photographer

AUTONOMY

Posts: 3674

I don't think there's really an equation. One question might be though, "does the subject take away from the composition as a whole?"  You could put majestic Mt Everest in the background but if Jenna Jameson is spreading her legs, nobody is looking at the mountain.  Once again, some people see photography as a catalyst for meeting chicks or satisfying their own perversions.  Others see it as a means to express themselves or where they see the beauty in people/places/things .  And of course others are just $$ -

Jack
J|DEW||PHOTO

Some people would still take note of the mountain-allbeit as a second glance.

Sep 12 08 09:24 am Link

Photographer

The Bald Photographer

Posts: 518

High Wycombe, England, United Kingdom

Too late now, but GWC does to my mind have an association with 'beginner', sadly, even a legitimate one.

Would have been better as a CWC - Creep With Camera. Then it's just a definition of what makes someone a creep...

John
http://TheBaldPhotographer.com

Sep 12 08 09:29 am Link

Photographer

LeDeux Art

Posts: 50123

San Ramon, California, US

we are in the midst of an amazing place in time, where the digital camera has made it affordable for many people to learn how to take pictures, combine that with the Internet, specifically MM and what we have is probably the greatest period in the history of man in the world of art
this is what i said from day 1 and ive seen nothing to change my mind

Sep 12 08 09:32 am Link

Photographer

Fotographia Fantastique

Posts: 17339

White River Junction, Vermont, US

Chris Keeling wrote:
Everyone keeps focusing on lack of talent and style of shooting.  That is absolutely irrelevant when trying to define GWC.

It has nothing to do with how good the product you produce is.  It is about why you produced that product in the first place.

Thank you!

Sep 12 08 12:12 pm Link

Photographer

Skydancer Photos

Posts: 22196

Santa Cruz, California, US

I think in reality, the term is used much more broadly. That's as good a description as any... but alas, there are many.

Sep 12 08 12:14 pm Link

Photographer

Aaron Pawlak

Posts: 2850

New York, New York, US

I assumed it could also mean any novice photographer with very little equipment and experience.... I didn't realize it had such a SEVERE negative connotation ...

Sep 12 08 12:15 pm Link

Photographer

Skydancer Photos

Posts: 22196

Santa Cruz, California, US

The Alternative Image  wrote:
Well the model I am doing a shoot with tomorrrow had one on her last shoot, it was going fine until he pulled a g string out of his kit bg and asked her to put it on and go topless, when it clearly states on her profile that  she does not do that type of modeling.

Needless to say she left in a hurry

Thats a GWC

The same type of behavior goes on with well-known, professional, published photographers... just saying.

For the record, I know lots of successful, working models who have no problem with the regular income that "GWCs" represent to them.

Sep 12 08 12:18 pm Link