DKLEE STUDIO wrote:
how about senior pictures?  most of the girls, shoot, even the boys will be under 18.  would they all have to bring in parental releases?  how about when the school yearbook shoots cap and gown?  i don't recall having my mom stand next to me when they were shooting?

btw, i have and still will shoot under 18 models.  why not?  i have met their parents beforehand already, or they are on site.

School pics are clearly a different situation than port shots to get someones career going.

DKLEE STUDIO wrote:
how about senior pictures?  most of the girls, shoot, even the boys will be under 18.  would they all have to bring in parental releases?  how about when the school yearbook shoots cap and gown?  i don't recall having my mom stand next to me when they were shooting?

btw, i have and still will shoot under 18 models.  why not?  i have met their parents beforehand already, or they are on site.

Why would you need a release for senior pictures?

DKLEE STUDIO wrote:
how about senior pictures?  most of the girls, shoot, even the boys will be under 18.  would they all have to bring in parental releases?  how about when the school yearbook shoots cap and gown?  i don't recall having my mom stand next to me when they were shooting?

btw, i have and still will shoot under 18 models.  why not?  i have met their parents beforehand already, or they are on site.

I'm with you completely.  Also in answering your question, and I'm not pointing fingers, but on here it always amazes me how many people will actually say that ANY shooting of someone under 18 is anywhere from flat out illegal to just a really, really bad idea.

ei Total Productions wrote:

Why would you need a release for senior pictures?

Only if you were going to use them in a print ad for your studio or service, thats about the only reason I can think of.

James Shuster wrote:
We've kind of talked about this in the past but lets revisit it.

Let's don't and say we did.

James Shuster wrote:
Wow this took off faster then I expected.
Ok When shooting a model under age that is from and agency there is no issue the model is there for a Job, we are talking about Internet models here different breed. You get a under 18 with out support from Mommy and Daddy and they find out that This Guy photographed their 16/17 year child where do you thinking they are going first? Not to the photographer but to the police because the child said he forced me. Again we are talking about Internet Models here not Agency Models..
  I set the date with Her mom or so I thought ( different email address ) but the model screwed up and sent me an email from that account.
I'm not looking to get all under age models out of here, just the ones that have no support from the parents.

This is from your OP:

so why does MM allow these "Models" on the site. If not careful someone namely the photographer is going to get in trouble with the Law.. Lets find away to get them off the site and stop wasting everyones time..

You presume too much and are fear mongering. Some people are scared of getting hit by a meteor and will never leave an underground bunker but that does not mean all outdoor activity should be banned. Do whatever you want if it will satisfy your fears but don't expect Model Mayhem to research which minor models have the support of their parents and ban those who do not.

ei Total Productions wrote:
Why would you need a release for senior pictures?

CGI Images wrote:
Only if you were going to use them in a print ad for your studio or service, thats about the only reason I can think of.

Me as well, but then you would typically be paying them or giving them a discount in exchange for consent to use their likeness in your ads.  Customers are not models, they are customers.

You and I see this the same way.

ei Total Productions wrote:

Unless you are in Florida where a model under the age of eighteen can sign her own consent/release without her parents permission or participation so long as there is no consideration involved.

I am making all these posts because there is too much generalization going on here.  The law is different from state to state.

And, for the record, I have no problem with sixteen year olds being on this site.  I shoot minors all the time.  I've met some great parents along the way.

Thank you the same here...

ei Total Productions wrote:
You and I see this the same way.

We usually do.  And like you, all the "I dont want a broom handle in the ass for shooting under 18" people, please take my card, send them to me.   I have my eye on a new 400 2.8 for sports.

James Shuster wrote:
We've kind of talked about this in the past but lets revisit it.
17yr old (will call them a model just for the heck of it ) Model wants to shoot you set things up but find out afterwards the parents do not support the models modeling, so you get no release.
Now lets say you did not find this out until she/he shows up would you still shoot? ( Me no I would send her home ), so why does MM allow these "Models" on the site. If not careful someone namely the photographer is going to get in trouble with the Law.. Lets find away to get them off the site and stop wasting everyones time.. I have no issue shooting with under 18 models as long as a parent is present or I have talked with them on the phone and some one 18+ is at the shoot..

What if said 17 year old is emancipated?

HannahF wrote:
My daughter is fulfilling a dream, I'm doing the mom thing

James Shuster wrote:
Wow this took off faster then I expected.
Ok When shooting a model under age that is from and agency there is no issue the model is there for a Job, we are talking about Internet models here different breed. You get a under 18 with out support from Mommy and Daddy and they find out that This Guy photographed their 16/17 year child where do you thinking they are going first? Not to the photographer but to the police because the child said he forced me. Again we are talking about Internet Models here not Agency Models..
  I set the date with Her mom or so I thought ( different email address ) but the model screwed up and sent me an email from that account.
I'm not looking to get all under age models out of here, just the ones that have no support from the parents.

Its hearsay if their little darling goes "he forced me". if you didnt do anything wrong, they have no case and you wont be charged with anything.
you should have your conversation logged on your MM account, fully accessible for printing should it come to that. No where in there did you force her (Im assuming?) to anything.
Have an assistant if you feel threatened by the little ones. Not an escort, not a body guard, try a makeup artist, or your own assistant/understudy/whoever.

or uh...just dont shoot with them.

Theres no way of the admin here being able to tell who has their parental consent and who doesnt.

Click Hamilton wrote:

Modeling starts at any age

Baby, it's whats for dinner haha

At least I remember cheesy movie lines~!

Laura T wrote:

Its hearsay if their little darling goes "he forced me". if you didnt do anything wrong, they have no case and you wont be charged with anything.
you should have your conversation logged on your MM account, fully accessible for printing should it come to that. No where in there did you force her (Im assuming?) to anything.
Have an assistant if you feel threatened by the little ones. Not an escort, not a body guard, try a makeup artist, or your own assistant/understudy/whoever.

or uh...just dont shoot with them.

Theres no way of the admin here being able to tell who has their parental consent and who doesnt.

Ok, I have to point out something here.  I am pretty sure you and I think alike on this topic, but one thing you said I dont agree with "if you didnt do anything wrong, they have no case and you wont be charged"   You can be charged, its for the DA/courts to decide if there is enough to convict.

A woman you've never met can walk into a police station and say "so and so raped me", and they can go charge you on the spot.  Now most will look into it, most reasonable ones will "check it out" some, but you still could be charged.  They do not have to have absolute proof of anything to arrest and charge you, only suspision.

With that being said, where my problem comes in is this.  The odds of the average person being charged/accused of something like this is a little along the lines of the odds of getting struck by lightening.

Laura T wrote:
Its hearsay if their little darling goes "he forced me". if you didnt do anything wrong, they have no case and you wont be charged with anything.

For the record, that isn't hearsay.

Hearsay would be when the little darling says:  "Debbie told me that he forced her."

When someone says:  "He forced me" that is direct testimony and is entirely different.  That latter is admissible evidence and the former is not.

In a perfect world people wouldn't be accused of crimes they hadn't done.  Nobody said this world is perfect.

I agree that there is a lot of fear mongering that goes on but let's not confuse hearsay with unfounded accusations.