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qphotonyc

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a trillion here, a trillion there- and pretty soon you're talking about real money...


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Senate Republicans Face Vote for National Debt Increase
Thursday, March 02, 2006

WASHINGTON — Republicans in the Senate face a difficult but necessary vote in coming weeks to allow the Treasury to pad the $8.2 trillion national debt by another $781 billion.

The need to increase the legal limit on the debt has Democrats eager to use the debate to blast President Bush and his GOP allies in Congress for their fiscal stewardship.

"During this administration, America's debt, that is, the total of the deficits has increased by $3 trillion," said Sen. Max Baucus of Montana, top Democrat on the Finance Committee. "That's a 40 percent increase in the entire federal debt accrued by our country in its entire history."

Treasury officials briefed Senate staff aides Thursday and told them that without an increase in the government's ability to borrow, it would default on obligations for the first time in history sometime during the week of March 20. That is an unthinkable prospect that would roil financial markets and damage the government's credit rating.

Although Democrats recognize the need to avoid a default, they aren't likely to provide any votes to increase the borrowing limit. They are not responsible for the fiscal policies that produced it, Democrats argue, especially Bush's landmark $1.4 trillion 2001 tax cut bill.

"Every year that passes it becomes more and more apparent what a bankrupt strategy this is," said Sen. Kent Conrad of North Dakota, top Democrat on the Budget Committee.

Traditionally, when one party controls Congress and the White House, it falls to its members to muster the votes to pass debt limit increases.

"It's a vehicle for press releases but at the end of the day everybody knows you've got to do it," said Senate Budget Committee Chairman Judd Gregg, R-N.H. "The only other option is to shut the government down, and nobody who's a responsible policy person is going to do that."

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., has yet to schedule debate on the bill. But if he follows past practice, he'll bring up the bill just before Congress leaves Washington on March 17 for a weeklong recess — when lawmakers are itching to go home and therefore tend to keep their pontificating to a minimum.

Conrad, Baucus and Democratic Leader Harry Reid of Nevada wrote Frist on Wednesday, urging him to schedule "a thorough and open public debate" on the debt limit bill.

"A substantial increase in the debt burden on American taxpayers is too important a matter to be rushed through the Senate without a complete debate on the current course of U.S. fiscal policy," the Democrats wrote.

They vowed to offer a longshot plan to reinstate so-called pay-as-you-go budget rules requiring tax cuts and new benefit programs to be financed by spending cuts or new revenues elsewhere in the budget.

Under an obscure House rule, that chamber gets to avoid having to vote on the debt limit if Congress successfully adopts a budget blueprint. So, after passing the budget last April, the House sent the Senate a $781 billion debt limit bill as if it had passed it separately.

That bill is the most likely vehicle for the Senate debate, but an alternative measure would be a filibuster-proof bill permitted under fast-track budget rules that limit debate and opportunities to offer amendments. But to go this route would require the House to vote on the bill before it is sent to Bush for his signature, a prospect House GOP leaders are eager to avoid.

"No decisions have been made," said Eric Ueland, chief of staff to Frist.

The last time Congress voted to increase the debt limit was in November 2004 when it was raised from $7.38 trillion to its current level of $8.18 trillion.

Mar 09 06 07:00 pm Link

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Joe Koz

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uh ... wasn't there a surplus at one point?

Mar 10 06 12:48 pm Link

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Merlinpix

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Joe Kozlowski wrote:
uh ... wasn't there a surplus at one point?

Yah when Clinton was in office...but then he count count to ten without using his fingers.

Paul

Mar 10 06 05:17 pm Link

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Mike Cummings

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Joe Kozlowski wrote:
uh ... wasn't there a surplus at one point?

No there wasn't. It was a projected surplus, unfortunatly the DotCom bubble burst and took all those projected dollars away.

Mar 11 06 05:35 am Link

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S W I N S K E Y

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Saint Petersburg, Florida, US

Mike Cummings wrote:

No there wasn't. It was a projected surplus, unfortunatly the DotCom bubble burst and took all those projected dollars away.

the repubs invented the deficit and the dems tried to clean it up..

but i am confident there will be some spin suggesting otherwise..

Mar 11 06 06:41 am Link

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Mike Cummings

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Doug Swinskey wrote:

the repubs invented the deficit and the dems tried to clean it up..

but i am confident there will be some spin suggesting otherwise..

No matter who "invented" it or who thried to "clean" it up, there was no real surplus...

Mar 11 06 12:16 pm Link

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qphotonyc

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Mike Cummings wrote:

No there wasn't. It was a projected surplus, unfortunatly the DotCom bubble burst and took all those projected dollars away.

you're impervious to the facts aren't you?
cons lie so much they can't even keep track anymore!
but nice try rewriting history mike.


Governor Bush delivers remarks at the Republican National Convention
August 3, 2000
Web posted at: 11:20 p.m. EDT (0320 GMT)
"America has a strong economy and a surplus. We have the public resources and the public will, even the bipartisan opportunities to strengthen Social Security and repair Medicare. But this administration, during eight years of increasing need, did nothing.
"They had their moment. They have not led. We will."
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/conven … /bush.html


October 3, 2000
The First Gore-Bush Presidential Debate
MODERATOR: Governor Bush, one minute rebuttal.

BUSH: Well, we do come from different places. I come from being a West Texas. The governor is the chief executive officer. We know how to set agendas as a governor. I think you'll find the difference reflected in our budgets. I want to take one-half of the surplus and dedicate it to Social Security. One-quarter of the surplus for important projects, and I want to send one-quarter of the surplus back to the people who pay the bills.

http://www.debates.org/pages/trans2000a.html


BUSH: They've had their chance to deliver a tax cut to you. Secondly, the surest way to bust this economy is to increase the role and size of the federal budget. The Senate Budget Committee did a study of the vice president's expenditures. It's been projected that they could conceivably bust the budget by $900 billion. That means he'll either have to raise your taxes by $900 billion or go into the Social Security surplus for $900 billion. This is a plan that is going to increase the bureaucracy by 20,000 people. His targeted tax cut is so detailed, so much fine print that it is going to require numerous IRS agents. We need somebody to simplify the code, to be fair, to continue prosperity by sharing some of the surplus with the people who pay the bills, particularly those at the bottom end of the economic ladder.



   
President Clinton announces another record budget surplus

From CNN White House Correspondent Kelly Wallace

September 27, 2000
Web posted at: 4:51 p.m. EDT (2051 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Clinton announced Wednesday that the federal budget surplus for fiscal year 2000 amounted to at least $230 billion, making it the largest in U.S. history and topping last year's record surplus of $122.7 billion.

"Eight years ago, our future was at risk," Clinton said Wednesday morning. "Economic growth was low, unemployment was high, interest rates were high, the federal debt had quadrupled in the previous 12 years. When Vice President Gore and I took office, the budget deficit was $290 billion, and it was projected this year the budget deficit would be $455 billion."

Instead, the president explained, the $5.7 trillion national debt has been reduced by $360 billion in the last three years -- $223 billion this year alone.

This represents, Clinton said, "the largest one-year debt reduction in the history of the United States."

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITIC … n.surplus/

Mar 11 06 02:27 pm Link