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Marta Photo
Posts: 45
Dallas, Texas, US
I heve been photographing african american woman. They make their make up themselves. It seems good to me until I see the results. Some areas of the face get reddish, specially in the cheekbones. Any advices?
Thanks
Marta
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udor
Posts: 25255
New York, New York, US
Yeah, I got advise for you:
Use a makeup artist that knows how to do it, don't rely on any model who thinks she can do a great makeup.
Being holla'd at by brothers in da'club doesn't mean that those makeup skills are fit for photowork.
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Tito Trelles-MADE IN NY
Posts: 960
Miami, Florida, US
Hi Marta, if you are shooting jpegs, try to make a custom WB, but I recommend RAW. I used to shoot in front of a red wall, of course the shadows were reddish and it was a pain...no matter PS.
Sometimes is the MU the models use, you have to create your system, but one step at the time:). Hope this helps a little. Best. Tito
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Marta Photo
Posts: 45
Dallas, Texas, US
Tito Trelles wrote:
Hi Marta, if you are shooting jpegs, try to make a custom WB, but I recommend RAW. I used to shoot in front of a red wall, of course the shadows were reddish and it was a pain...no matter PS.
Sometimes is the MU the models use, you have to create your system, but one step at the time:). Hope this helps a little. Best. Tito When I shoot in RAW it seens worse. I use Auto WB. What is MU?
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UnoMundo
Posts: 47532
Olympia, Washington, US
UdoR wrote:
Yeah, I got advise for you:
Use a makeup artist that knows how to do it, don't rely on any model who thinks she can do a great makeup.
Being holla'd at by brothers in da'club doesn't mean that those makeup skills are fit for photowork. I had to give a sista that lecture once. kind of down south go to church makeup!
But that should be modeling 102 up front- do not f..k with your face!
sometimes it's because they had a bad experience from someone who can't deal with dark skin! I had a haircut from a Lutheran ONCE!
Might be the photog also ?
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Tito Trelles-MADE IN NY
Posts: 960
Miami, Florida, US
Hi again, sorry, MU means make up:). I have the feeling you have to correct some details...the color space. I suggest you start calibrating your monitor, in my case, my monitor is correct, so I created a profile and saved it, its the one I use and its pretty close to the one printing places use, that means the final print I make at home is pretty close to the one a magazine will print.
Automatic white balance is an emergency mode, many times the camera software make the wrong corrections and the photos look crappy. That's why I suggest RAW, because its what the sensor saw, no modifications, and you can correct everything more precisely.
My way... the color space I use in Camera Raw is the same I use in Photoshop, so after I am done with the RAW file and launch Photoshop it wont be any difference between the colors.
I hope I didn't confuse you more:) Let me know. Best. T
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images by elahi
Posts: 2523
Atlanta, Georgia, US
UdoR wrote:
Yeah, I got advise for you:
Use a makeup artist that knows how to do it, don't rely on any model who thinks she can do a great makeup.
Being holla'd at by brothers in da'club doesn't mean that those makeup skills are fit for photowork. wisdom from Udor..makes sense 2 me.....
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udor
Posts: 25255
New York, New York, US
Tito Trelles wrote:
Hi again, sorry, MU means make up:). I have the feeling you have to correct some details...the color space. I suggest you start calibrating your monitor, in my case, my monitor is correct, so I created a profile and saved it, Hi Tito;
I shoot A LOT in the urban community/market and a lot of AA models and recording artists.
In my experience, if the makeup artist is skilled, you need to do much less post production or photoshop correction.
Marta described in her OP, that the models applying their own makeup, and that is the first warning signal to me.
Just because a model applies her own makeup all her short adult life, doesn't make her knowledgable how that same makeup will appear under strobes and different lighting.
That's exactly why I mentioned the "club" situation in my response.
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udor
Posts: 25255
New York, New York, US
images by elahi wrote:
wisdom from Udor..makes sense 2 me..... Thanks!
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JenniferMaria
Posts: 1780
Miami Beach, Florida, US
Marta Photo wrote:
I heve been photographing african american woman. They make their make up themselves. It seems good to me until I see the results. Some areas of the face get reddish, specially in the cheekbones. Any advices?
Thanks
Marta This is why make-up artists are so important. Look around your area for make-up artists that have dark skinned models in their books, and see if you can collaborate with them. Or learn make-up. Either is much better than letting the model do her own make-up. Make-up for film is entirely different than make-up for wearing in public.
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Marta Photo
Posts: 45
Dallas, Texas, US
Tito Trelles wrote:
Hi again, sorry, MU means make up:). I have the feeling you have to correct some details...the color space. I suggest you start calibrating your monitor, in my case, my monitor is correct, so I created a profile and saved it, its the one I use and its pretty close to the one printing places use, that means the final print I make at home is pretty close to the one a magazine will print.
Automatic white balance is an emergency mode, many times the camera software make the wrong corrections and the photos look crappy. That's why I suggest RAW, because its what the sensor saw, no modifications, and you can correct everything more precisely.
My way... the color space I use in Camera Raw is the same I use in Photoshop, so after I am done with the RAW file and launch Photoshop it wont be any difference between the colors.
I hope I didn't confuse you more:) Let me know. Best. T Tito. tried all the WB and the best result was in AUTO. which one do you use.? is Color space Adobe 1998 or something like that?
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The_N_Word
Posts: 5067
New York, New York, US
UdoR wrote:
Yeah, I got advise for you:
Use a makeup artist that knows how to do it, don't rely on any model who thinks she can do a great makeup.
Being holla'd at by brothers in da'club doesn't mean that those makeup skills are fit for photowork. wow udo, wow.
Makeup Artist
MP Make-up Artistry
Posts: 5105
Prince George, British Columbia, Canada
I would have to agree with who ever sudgested a make-up artist. I am one and I know how to make-up the skin so that it wont look red or flat or ashy in the pictures. I think alot of models think " heck I can do my own make-up" but they dont have any training or knowlege of what kinda make-up to use, lots almost all of the drustore foundations will NOT work for photographey and alot of them dont want to spend the money on Make-up that will work. If I were a photographer and I was shooting alot of Dark skinned models I would either bring in a Make-up Artist myself or require them too just so you bot will get amazing results in the end.
but thats just my 2 cents... Mandy of Deadly Design Make-up Artistry
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udor
Posts: 25255
New York, New York, US
Nerlande wrote:
wow udo, wow. It wasn't me... it was you talking... 
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00siris
Posts: 19182
New York, New York, US
My mentor has told me that when photographing African Americans, you must pay particular attention to your white balance for exactly that reason. I usually adjust on the back end in photoshop with either curves, or color balance.
It's not a matter of make-up
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michaelrowe photography
Posts: 147
Los Angeles, California, US
I shoot black skin all the time and never had that problem. but, no matter if you shooting black, white or other, A Make-up Artist is the key if you are shooting beauty and fashion like me. If not then a good retoucher.
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udor
Posts: 25255
New York, New York, US
00siris wrote:
My mentor has told me that when photographing African Americans, you must pay particular attention to your white balance for exactly that reason. I usually adjust on the back end in photoshop with either curves, or color balance.
It's not a matter of make-up Your mentor seems not to have shot black models before digital... which could mean he has not been around before digital cameras.
I shot frequently black models (such as my two previous wifes) before digital cameras... and... he's simply wrong.
Bad makeup is the FIRST reason for bad images..., as we used to say... "photoshop is for those who can't shoot right the first time"... it's tongue in cheek, but some truth is to it.
Gotta start first with the beginning of the shoot... before to blame it to post production.
P.S.: BTW, Osiris,... I love your work... totally... but that statement is not against you, but your mentor. Basic photography...
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