Posted by CO Model Amber: 
Not sure exactly where to post this!

Photographers should really mention on their site if they do TFP/TFCD/TESTING/PAY MODELS/ONLY DO PAID WORK. If you ONLY do TFP say you ONLY do TFP. If you PAY MODELS please say you pay models and blah blah.

I want to contact photographers but embarrased to ask them for paid work when they don't mention what they do on their site. So, I could be asking a photographers for paid work who may only do TFP so I would feel embarrased asking and getting shot down.

But like us models all of our sites say we only do TFP, Paid assignments only, depends on assignment. So, if you photographers can mention this on your site that would be A LOT of help.

If the site does not say just ask "do you have any paying work at the moment".

Mike

Posted by Chris Ambler: 
I'm not sure I understand.

Are you saying that you don't know if you should ask a photographer if they'll ACCEPT PAY FROM YOU to shoot you?

Or are you saying that you don't know if your should OFFER YOUR SERVICES FOR COMPENSATION to a photographer?

I'm sure it's just me being dense :-)

I mean "If they pay models"

Posted by CO Model Amber: 
Not sure exactly where to post this!

Photographers should really mention on their site if they do TFP/TFCD/TESTING/PAY MODELS/ONLY DO PAID WORK. If you ONLY do TFP say you ONLY do TFP. If you PAY MODELS please say you pay models and blah blah.

I want to contact photographers but embarrased to ask them for paid work when they don't mention what they do on their site. So, I could be asking a photographers for paid work who may only do TFP so I would feel embarrased asking and getting shot down.

But like us models all of our sites say we only do TFP, Paid assignments only, depends on assignment. So, if you photographers can mention this on your site that would be A LOT of help.

If the shots in your portfolio are worse than the photog's port, don't be silly by asking to be paid. Pretty simple.

Posted by Mike Cummings: 

Posted by CO Model Amber: 
Not sure exactly where to post this!

Photographers should really mention on their site if they do TFP/TFCD/TESTING/PAY MODELS/ONLY DO PAID WORK. If you ONLY do TFP say you ONLY do TFP. If you PAY MODELS please say you pay models and blah blah.

I want to contact photographers but embarrased to ask them for paid work when they don't mention what they do on their site. So, I could be asking a photographers for paid work who may only do TFP so I would feel embarrased asking and getting shot down.

But like us models all of our sites say we only do TFP, Paid assignments only, depends on assignment. So, if you photographers can mention this on your site that would be A LOT of help.

If the site does not say just ask "do you have any paying work at the moment".

Mike

Thanks! I'll keep that line in mind when contacting photographers. :Smile:

Posted by Chris Ambler: 
I'm not sure I understand.

Are you saying that you don't know if you should ask a photographer if they'll ACCEPT PAY FROM YOU to shoot you?

Or are you saying that you don't know if your should OFFER YOUR SERVICES FOR COMPENSATION to a photographer?

I'm sure it's just me being dense :-)

Don't you get it Chris... You as the photographer are supposed to pay the model as well as let them use all the images how ever they want even if it means them reselling...  Geeeesh how old fashioned can you be. ;-)

Mike

Posted by XtremeArtists: 

Posted by CO Model Amber: 
Not sure exactly where to post this!

Photographers should really mention on their site if they do TFP/TFCD/TESTING/PAY MODELS/ONLY DO PAID WORK. If you ONLY do TFP say you ONLY do TFP. If you PAY MODELS please say you pay models and blah blah.

I want to contact photographers but embarrased to ask them for paid work when they don't mention what they do on their site. So, I could be asking a photographers for paid work who may only do TFP so I would feel embarrased asking and getting shot down.

But like us models all of our sites say we only do TFP, Paid assignments only, depends on assignment. So, if you photographers can mention this on your site that would be A LOT of help.

If the shots in your portfolio are worse than the photog's port, don't be silly by asking to be paid. Pretty simple.

I'll keep that mind! :Smile:

Posted by Mike Cummings: 

Posted by Chris Ambler: 
I'm not sure I understand.

Are you saying that you don't know if you should ask a photographer if they'll ACCEPT PAY FROM YOU to shoot you?

Or are you saying that you don't know if your should OFFER YOUR SERVICES FOR COMPENSATION to a photographer?

I'm sure it's just me being dense :-)

Don't you get it Chris... You as the photographer are supposed to pay the model as well as let them use all the images how ever they want even if it means them reselling...  Geeeesh how old fashioned can you be. ;-)

Mike

I know where you're going with that. You don't think models should get paid by photographers. But, believe it or not photographers do pay models rather they be professional or amateur.

Posted by Udo R Photography: 
Hey Amber;

I would say it's relatively simple... if you approach a photographer... expect that YOU should pay him!

Don't approach him/her and say "you can shoot me if you pay me."

Personally... I think that this bad form, others may disagree.

However, if a photographer approaches YOU, either he offers you to pay or shoot TFP and you can decide if you like his work and think it's beneficial for your own portfolio.

Bingo. Agreed 100%.

Amber, I don't see anything wrong with approaching a photographer and asking him/her if they know of any paid gigs. The photographer might have a client that needs something for which you're suited.

We're all professionals. We all expect to be paid for our time and talent. Typically the approacher offers compensation, be it prints, cash, or what-have-you. But approaching a photographer and then asking him/her to pay you is, indeed, very bad form.

Just like I would never approach a model, tell her that I love her look, and then ask her to pay me to shoot her.

Posted by Udo R Photography: 
Hey Amber;

I would say it's relatively simple... if you approach a photographer... expect that YOU should pay him!

Don't approach him/her and say "you can shoot me if you pay me."

Personally... I think that this bad form, others may disagree.

However, if a photographer approaches YOU, either he offers you to pay or shoot TFP and you can decide if you like his work and think it's beneficial for your own portfolio.

Oh I'm not gonna be like that. Coming straight out and saying "hey pay me and I will work with you" is a bit unprofessional.

Posted by CO Model Amber: 
Oh I'm not gonna be like that. Coming straight out and saying "hey pay me and I will work with you" is a bit unprofessional.

No,  I disagree,  giving it to me straight is more professional or serious.

Posted by Udo R Photography: 
I would say it's relatively simple... if you approach a photographer... expect that YOU should pay him!

I disagree. I've let photographers know that I like their work or would like to work with them - how else do they know I'm available. [It works the other way to, there are thousands of photographers on just this site. I try browsing a few a day, but I may never see each one unless they comment, tag or send me an email.]

If their profile states they sometimes book models or have paying work for models, all the more reason for the model to hope for pay.

Posted by Udo R Photography: 
Don't approach him/her and say "you can shoot me if you pay me."

Personally... I think that this bad form, others may disagree.

However, if a photographer approaches YOU, either he offers you to pay or shoot TFP and you can decide if you like his work and think it's beneficial for your own portfolio.

I agree.

Posted by CO Model Amber: 
I know where you're going with that. You don't think models should get paid by photographers. But, believe it or not photographers do pay models rather they be professional or amateur.

I believe that some photographers pay for models and I believe some models pay for photographers, BUT I know that a model that contacts a photographer asking for pay will most likely be the same model that wants a few extras like "shared copyright".

Notice I did not mention you, but was replying to a sarcastic post by another photographer.

Mike

Posted by * Visual Mindscapes *: 
I work for money, tearsheets, exposure, clothing sponsorship and weed, lol.

Oh, and if the model is hot, I might just shoot her for free.  If she's nice to me that is.  hehe

lol

And CO Model Amber, my post was right on topic... and it seems to be the consensus. For example, Chris Ambler's post... (I was just typing my reply when Chris Ambler's posted).

Posted by Mike Cummings: 
Notice I did not mention you, but was replying to a sarcastic post by another photographer.

Mike

On this board? Sarcasm? No way...

OK people...stay on topic!

Posted by Ascending Phoenix: 
"" CLIENTS PAY MODELS NOT PHOTOGRAPHERS "

  Unless of course its a GWC that cant get anyone to work with them

That is not always true. If I think I have a marketable image I would pay a model. ie if I am going to submit it to someone like Domai.com BUT if I am paying for it you will not use the image.

Mike

Posted by Mike Cummings: 

Posted by Ascending Phoenix: 
"" CLIENTS PAY MODELS NOT PHOTOGRAPHERS "

  Unless of course its a GWC that cant get anyone to work with them

That is not always true.

No... it's always true.  lol

Posted by * Visual Mindscapes *: 

Posted by Mike Cummings: 

Posted by Ascending Phoenix: 
"" CLIENTS PAY MODELS NOT PHOTOGRAPHERS "

  Unless of course its a GWC that cant get anyone to work with them

That is not always true.

No... it's always true.  lol

Man you are cheaper than I am...

Mike

Posted by Mike Cummings: 

Posted by Ascending Phoenix: 
"" CLIENTS PAY MODELS NOT PHOTOGRAPHERS "

  Unless of course its a GWC that cant get anyone to work with them

That is not always true. If I think I have a marketable image I would pay a model. ie if I am going to submit it to someone like Domai.com BUT if I am paying for it you will not use the image.

Mike

And all this time I thought no one ever read what I write in these threads..


Bartender...get me a Long Island Ice tea


Mike Cummings is buying..LOL

Posted by Mike Cummings: 
Man you are cheaper than I am... 

Hells yeah!  I'm pretty cheap, lol.

Posted by Star: 
How would you feel if photographers contacted you asking for pay?

If his/her rates are reasonable like my own rates and their work is really good and can do something for my portfolio and I have money at the time I wouldn't mind paying a photographer. But, I havent had to pay anyone at the moment. I started with TFCD shoots and got PLENTY of those and now I ask for paid work and I'm getting paid shoots.

Posted by Ascending Phoenix: 

Posted by Mike Cummings: 

Posted by Ascending Phoenix: 
"" CLIENTS PAY MODELS NOT PHOTOGRAPHERS "

  Unless of course its a GWC that cant get anyone to work with them

That is not always true. If I think I have a marketable image I would pay a model. ie if I am going to submit it to someone like Domai.com BUT if I am paying for it you will not use the image.

Mike

And all this time I thought no one ever read what I write in these threads..


Bartender...get me a Long Island Ice tea


Mike Cummings is buying..LOL

You make it down and I will buy you one. Bring models.

Mike

Posted by * Visual Mindscapes *: 

Posted by Mike Cummings: 
Man you are cheaper than I am... 

Hells yeah!  I'm pretty cheap, lol.

We know you are cheap,  we see your images.  Duh..

Posted by Jack D Trute: 
Wait,  I need to poop.

This thread is coming from someone who posted four searches for photographer seeking to work with her is CO and NO one replied.

Give the dog a bone.  Shit she is just pissed off.

Actually there's a thing called "sending the person a message personally" Please do not be rude.

Posted by Jack D Trute: 
We know you are cheap,  we see your images.  Duh..

Wow, a doggie with jokes.  You deserve a doggie treat, you son of a bitch.  lol

Posted by CO Model Amber: 

Posted by Star: 
How would you feel if photographers contacted you asking for pay?

If his/her rates are reasonable like my own rates and their work is really good and can do something for my portfolio and I have money at the time I wouldn't mind paying a photographer. But, I havent had to pay anyone at the moment. I started with TFCD shoots and got PLENTY of those and now I ask for paid work and I'm getting paid shoots.

Are you getting those paid shoots by contacting the photographers or by them contacting you?

Mike

Posted by Mike Cummings: 

Posted by Ascending Phoenix: 

Posted by Mike Cummings: 

Posted by Ascending Phoenix: 
"" CLIENTS PAY MODELS NOT PHOTOGRAPHERS "

  Unless of course its a GWC that cant get anyone to work with them

That is not always true. If I think I have a marketable image I would pay a model. ie if I am going to submit it to someone like Domai.com BUT if I am paying for it you will not use the image.

Mike

And all this time I thought no one ever read what I write in these threads..


Bartender...get me a Long Island Ice tea


Mike Cummings is buying..LOL

You make it down and I will buy you one. Bring models.

Mike

Im in Atlanta now .leave for Kentucky tomorrow.Think anyone flip if I make a  U TURN in  Arizona ??