|
Forums >
Photography Talk >
Why does a photographer need a copy of your I.D?
Yes, any time you shoot where nudity is the subject matter, you should always get a copy of the I.D. and a picture of the person holding the I.D. to play it safe. Dec 18 08 04:23 pm Link I have one question: Why not. If you have a great release why not have a procedure that you do every time. We have a new file check - list that we do every time. I think we all know that the one time we do not use due diligence is the one time she will be underage with a frather/boyfriend looking to get into your wallet of worse. JUST DO IT Dec 18 08 04:28 pm Link If the photos contain nudity the place I get large format prints made won't print them unless I show them a copy of the model's ID Dec 18 08 04:35 pm Link When a model and her managing boyfriend attempted to sue me, I said 'Ok, see you in court. Here's my attorneys phone number.' The court transcript goes something like this: My attorney, to the model: "Is that your signature? Is that your drivers license? Is that your social security card? Is that photo one of you signing my clients release? Is that photo one of your drivers license next to my clients signed release? Is that photo one of you in the act of signing my clients release, with your boyfriend witnessing it in the background? And finally, is that photo one of you holding my clients release, with your signature on it, on one side of your face, and your drivers license on the other side of your face?" Model: "Yes" Judge: "Case dismissed, the respondants legal fees and court costs to be paid by the complainant." Dec 18 08 06:49 pm Link For the kinds of publications mentioned the model MUST be over 18 [or 19 or 21 in some, ca 5, states and territories] with NO upper age, and they require the usual 2257 disclosures to be made INCLUDING copies of the model's ID to be submitted. There is no particular format for collecting the required info [e.g. a government produced or approved form] but this one collects and covers all the currently required information, and contains the currently required declarations, for 2257 purposes while at the same time does not collect or record information that can not, as a matter of the governing regulations, be made part of 2257 records e.g. there is no SSN recorded here; or, for that matter, no address; no phone number; no description [height;weight; hair color]; ect. Sorry about the size. It has to be big(ish) to be readable.  Studio36 Dec 18 08 07:14 pm Link Casper Munoz wrote: When the cops are banging on your door screaming about child porn, wouldn't it be nice to have copies of ID to prove that everyone was over 18? Dec 18 08 07:54 pm Link Casper Munoz wrote: I've had a number of models sign their alias on official documents. Models are sneaky. A state ID eliminates all ambiguity Dec 18 08 11:27 pm Link Casper Munoz wrote: 2257 regulations... legal proof of age Dec 18 08 11:33 pm Link FotoMark wrote: AND... identity. Both, actually, as that law is written. Dec 19 08 12:24 am Link I always get a photo of id, period. You have to be 18 to release your own images, whether there's any nudity or not. Model release and proof of age is often required by publications or art shows. Now, whether or not the OP's person in question was creepy or not is another story entirely. Dec 19 08 12:40 am Link Casper Munoz wrote: Publications like to have the paperwork "just in case". Probably because they're likely making money off of it...but don't quote me on that. Dec 19 08 12:49 am Link CRITICAL NOTICE TO EVERYONE ON THIS SUBJECT - BREAKING NEWS HERE This thread has been very timely as a way to get the word out to you all. Yesterday, 18 December 2008 will burn into your memory as well as give you heartburn. The US Department of Justice published the NEW REVISED 2257 REGULATIONS including the 2257A changes mandated by Congress for compliance with the Adam Walsh Act which established as 18 USC c:110 s:2257A A full analysis of this damn thing is not yet available BUT what is there will make your eyes water, and I guarantee it will. These NEW record keeping regulations extend a NEW recordkeeping requirement to a LOT of work involving mere nudity, and some with no actual nudity at all, presented in any way that can be interpreted as "lascivious exhibition of the genitals or public area" [even if covered] that is produced on or after March 18, 2009 Read and weep - - - SOURCE DOCUMENTS text version at http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2008/E8-29677.htm PDF at http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2008/pdf/E8-29677.pdf The actual text of the NEW regulations is on Pages 38 - 42 of the PDF - there are requirements that wll apply to this site and your own website, and any other uses, such as in print, published in or distributed in the United States. Studio36 A very Merry Christmas to you all from the US Department of Justice  Dec 19 08 09:52 am Link HottShotz wrote: My models have always signed thier real names. Dec 19 08 10:04 am Link My model release requires the model's address, phone number, email address, and a copy of their ID...all on the form. Partially for my records (sending photos, getting in touch when MM is inevitably down) and partially just to be safe about stuff. If you can't give me a copy of your ID there is something shady going on. Proof of age and making sure your signature is, in fact, your signature is always nice. Dec 19 08 10:10 am Link Casper Munoz wrote: I not only get a photo ID but a thumb print on the model release. No big deal, and the thumb print can prove who they really are. Dec 19 08 10:23 am Link Because in some states... it's the law? another good one... Because if someone reported you for being involved with child pornography and you have 4,000 nude images of young women the police are going to want proof that they are of legal age. another good one... You often can't sell images without a model release and copy of model ID showing they were of age to sign a legally binding form. etc. etc. etc. Dec 19 08 10:26 am Link Magnus Hedemark wrote: bingo Dec 19 08 10:28 am Link I have photocopy'd ID's before, and have also- do to no way of doing so- had the model hold up the signed release in one hand, and her ID in the other, and taken a headshot that included both, and filed that along with the paperwork. No sense getting upset for someone covering their six. Dec 19 08 10:39 am Link He's protecting himself. I'm inclined to do the same thing. Dec 19 08 10:40 am Link EVERYONE: Please read the post below. After reading, kindly contact the nearest chapter of the ACLU - this kind of Taliban legislation must NOT go unchallenged! studio36uk wrote: Dec 19 08 01:02 pm Link 2257. Dec 19 08 01:05 pm Link Casper Munoz wrote: why didn't she ask the photographer why he needed those documents? Dec 19 08 01:07 pm Link because for publications that depict nudity, implied nudity, etc, etc, in the USA they need a proof the model is of age of consent and because it is required by the 2257 (custodian of records thing), so if the photographer is submiting to FHM, Maxim, Playboy, etc he is going to need her drivers license or any other document that says how old the model is. Dec 19 08 01:10 pm Link If I am shooting TF*, I ALWAYS ask for and get a copy of a picture ID - that gets attached to the Model Release and scanned and filed away. It is just part of what I require and so far, I have had no issues with requesting it. I did have one model, (that wanted to shoot nudes) tell me that she "lost" her ID and couldn't find her birth certificate - RED FLAG - I politely told her to call me when she got her new ID. Dec 19 08 01:12 pm Link 
Photographer Posts: 302 MacMurdo - permanent station of the US, Sector claimed by New Zealand, Antarctica No model should ever give anyone a copy of their drivers license or any other identification. Show them prooof of age if necessary, but no copies. ID Theft is the fastest growing crime in North America. Although the photog may not use it for that, the copy could end up anywhere of the next few years. Dec 19 08 01:13 pm Link Frank McAdam wrote: Ditto. Dec 19 08 01:14 pm Link Casper Munoz wrote: Is also a way to prove that the model was the person who filled out the model release form. Anyone can sign another persons name on a document. But not everyone can provide a valid ID. Adding the ID is almost as good as getting it notarized. Dec 19 08 01:18 pm Link John Len wrote: Do you think anybody should provide their driver's license to a car rental agency where every counter employee and car wash attendant could copy the information? Dec 19 08 01:18 pm Link You can lay the responsibility for that one squarely on the Bush administration, and specifically on the Justice Dept. When they implemented and started enforcing the 2257 regs a few years back, it forced everyone to tighten up on record keeping requirements. That's especially true of the larger publishers (= clients), who have a lot more to lose. So even though the new administration is unlikely to be quite as rigid about enforcement, anyone who currently sells to, or hopes to sell to, those types of clients... basically it's a good idea to document proof of age. Dec 19 08 01:20 pm Link Marvin Dockery wrote: Now that's new, what's next DNA sample? lol Dec 19 08 01:20 pm Link Exposed Image wrote: Good move! Dec 19 08 01:25 pm Link Casper Munoz wrote: Why wouldn't he ask for her license? When you apply for a job, interview and then start said job, you have to provide ID. Modeling is the same thing. Don't you want to know whom you are shooting with? All commercial shooters require a form of ID. You need to protect yourself at all costs. Dec 19 08 01:34 pm Link Interesting enough, while at the recycling center yesterday, they asked me for my ID then photocopied it for their files. Apparently, they need that now if they were to write me a check for over $100 (my mom caters par time so lot's of cans). Asking for ID and or copying it for records is the norm. Dec 19 08 01:41 pm Link John Len wrote: They will not be working with me if they follow your advice. Dec 19 08 01:41 pm Link It all goes back to Traci Lords. *Using a fake ID* the 15 year old snuck into the porn industry. Because this minor chose to "victimize" herself the government has tightened regulations on age verification of people engaged in pornography. The term "pornography" is porously defined in the law. Many content creators slate (take pics/photocopy the ID) models/actors that appear in content that is not pornographic for fear that the term "pornography" will be broadened in the future or that the regulations will be applied to near-pornographic content, ie Maxim. This is a legitimate fear because restrictions of this kind often have bi-partisan support having been framed as "protecting children." Dec 19 08 01:42 pm Link This is a very common practice(at least that I know of). In fact my first shot that I take is of all the models ID's(no xerox machine out in the field) and I keep that with all my paperwork and with the picture files. Better to be safe than sorry, that's my motto. Dec 19 08 01:44 pm Link I will never shoot a model without a release form and a copy of her ID. If a model makes an issue of me having a copy of her ID, I will not be working with her. Dec 19 08 01:58 pm Link Marvin Dockery wrote: And I thought WE were the only crazy people on the planet. I've inked several thumbs before in the past for various explicit undertakings. It makes it practically impossible for someone to say, "Yes, that's me posing nude, and that's my signature and copy of my license on the release, but I didn't sign it.. I would never risk losing my job as assistant principal over nude photographs!!" Dec 19 08 02:00 pm Link Lost Coast Photo wrote: Unfortunately not true. The law was passed in 2006 with wide bipartisan support. Don't expect anything to change in this regard with a new administration. If you want something to change, write to your congressional representatives, not the DoJ. Dec 19 08 02:00 pm Link I usually photo the IDs and other supporting documents and then print them on back of the model release. That gets filed in the fire safe. One stop document shopping. Dec 19 08 02:08 pm Link |
