Kris Debus Photography wrote:
I have seen a disturbing new trend on MM...models who state they will work paid only and will not pay a photographer to shoot them...the main "reason" I have seen used is "this is my work, and I won't pay someone else to shoot me" 

I find this odd and wonder why that is....any other photographers run into this and have any explanation other than the obvious?

I don't suppose it's much different from photographers who say that they do this for a living, and they won't trade or pay (a model) to work, even if it is to extend their portfolio. It's a valid point, provided you can get paid assignments.

I suppose it all depends on where you are in your life and where you are hoping to go.

ACPhotography wrote:
There are a few around my area who have the "I don't work for free." They also have all the concepts they want to shoot and a very lacking port and I'm sure they don't have a real book either... I just move on to the next one, oh well...

No sense in trying to argue with models that have numerous self-portrait images taken with a cell phone into the bathroom mirror.  Best case scenario, I offer to pay them for their gasoline and if they decline......time to move on.

Kris Debus Photography wrote:
I have seen a disturbing new trend on MM...models who state they will work paid only and will not pay a photographer to shoot them...the main "reason" I have seen used is "this is my work, and I won't pay someone else to shoot me" 

I find this odd and wonder why that is....any other photographers run into this and have any explanation other than the obvious?

they must be spectacular
tb

Kris Debus Photography wrote:
I have seen a disturbing new trend on MM...models who state they will work paid only and will not pay a photographer to shoot them...the main "reason" I have seen used is "this is my work, and I won't pay someone else to shoot me" 

I find this odd and wonder why that is....any other photographers run into this and have any explanation other than the obvious?

Well I would say one thing nice about working with someone you pay- you don't need to give them photos since it is not a trade situation.

Just a bright spot for ya.

Kris Debus Photography wrote:
I have seen a disturbing new trend on MM...models who state they will work paid only and will not pay a photographer to shoot them...the main "reason" I have seen used is "this is my work, and I won't pay someone else to shoot me" 

I find this odd and wonder why that is....any other photographers run into this and have any explanation other than the obvious?

To me, it's simple...

Everyone has the right to ask for whatever compensation he/she wants.

The other party has the right to accept, decline, or make a counteroffer.

Anything else is nobody's business.

Don't worry about it.  These things tend to take care of themselves.  If a model demands paid work only, either she'll get paid work (in which case she's justified) or she won't (in which case she'll consider TFP or give up modeling). 

All you need to know is this:  if you don't want to pay a model, then don't.  Trying to discuss it here makes you sound like a newbie.

Scott Spellman Photo wrote:
There are 1000s of talented, professional, and reasonable models available, and some of them are on MM.  Why would you waste your time working with those that are not?

Doesn't your statement imply that models requesting payment are not talented, professional, or reasonable?

Scott Spellman Photo wrote:
When you have something valuable to trade, reasonable models will always be eager to work with you.  Its a waste to worry about the rest.

Everything is negotiable.  But there is no guarantee that two parties will reach an accommodation.

Kris Debus Photography wrote:
I have seen a disturbing new trend on MM...models who state they will work paid only and will not pay a photographer to shoot them...the main "reason" I have seen used is "this is my work, and I won't pay someone else to shoot me" 

I find this odd and wonder why that is....any other photographers run into this and have any explanation other than the obvious?

It happens all the time.  And you see photographers who ask to be paid.  The obvious is that they want to make money.  Sometimes it's even more obvious that they set their sights too high.

There's a local girl who has probably one shoot under her belt and it was nude.  But she wants paid jobs now.  I just don't see it happening.