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Posted by CocoBongo: Where will you go to post negative rants about MM? Jul 06 05 01:51 pm Link Posted by Patrick Walberg: Posted by Select Models: Posted by theda: But see Theda... that's where you are incorrect. There are avenues on the web, as well as in the brick and mortar business world, for those who have been unjustly treated, to indeed take action against those who have taken advantage of them. The post I made provided those avenues to pursue, giving them the option to 'influence'. OK, what happened to you exactly? What is YOUR beef against the World and OMP? Do they owe you money? Did you not get laid because of the website? What is it exactly in "legal" terms that gives YOU a greivance against OMP? Mr Walberg... I have no 'beef' against the world. I read the 100's of complaints posted here by MM members about OMP's unfair dealings with them. I related to their message, as I also was once a member there, #288 (long before you joined Im sure) who also experienced unjust treatment. We had our page there deleted 2 months after renewing silver membership... why?... for posting some 'constructive input' concerning the management of OMP on another forum. Another MM member here referred to Brett at OMP as an asshole... my sentiments exactly! I'm a big fan of the underdog, and I dont like to see scam artists and schisters in big business screw over the little guy. Thats exactly why I posted the 'Ur words not mine' message. Oh... and I'm very content in the 'getting laid' department, thankyouverymuch. Jul 06 05 01:53 pm Link Posted by Select Models: Posted by Patrick Walberg: Posted by Select Models: Posted by theda: But see Theda... that's where you are incorrect. There are avenues on the web, as well as in the brick and mortar business world, for those who have been unjustly treated, to indeed take action against those who have taken advantage of them. The post I made provided those avenues to pursue, giving them the option to 'influence'. OK, what happened to you exactly? What is YOUR beef against the World and OMP? Do they owe you money? Did you not get laid because of the website? What is it exactly in "legal" terms that gives YOU a greivance against OMP? Mr Walberg... I have no 'beef' against the world. I read the 100's of complaints posted here by MM members about OMP's unfair dealings with them. I related to their message, as I also was once a member there, #288 (long before you joined Im sure) who also experienced unjust treatment. We had our page there deleted 2 months after renewing silver membership... why?... for posting some 'constructive input' concerning the management of OMP on another forum. Another MM member here referred to Brett at OMP as an asshole... my sentiments exactly! I'm a big fan of the underdog, and I dont like to see scam artists and schisters in big business screw over the little guy. Thats exactly why I posted the 'Ur words not mine' message. Oh... and I'm very content in the 'getting laid action' department... thankyouverymuch... It's a celebration! I've hit 600 posts! Yippy! Jul 06 05 02:08 pm Link Posted by Patrick Walberg: Posted by lisamona: Posted by Patrick Walberg: Posted by lisamona: ... and I like cats! LOL .... GOOD!!! Lets start bitching about that too... The difference between cats and dogs! That was a great movie! Did you see it?
Jul 06 05 02:12 pm Link Posted by lisamona: Posted by Patrick Walberg: Posted by lisamona: Posted by Patrick Walberg: Posted by lisamona: ... and I like cats! LOL .... GOOD!!! Lets start bitching about that too... The difference between cats and dogs! That was a great movie! Did you see it?
ROTFLMAO! I think sometimes that we own dogs but cats own us! What a good sense of humor you have! The World is a sad place ... it's about time to "lighten up" so to speak! Jul 06 05 02:25 pm Link I agree!!! cheer up people! Jul 06 05 02:35 pm Link Posted by Patrick Walberg: Posted by Joe K. Perez: Joe, ... since when did you become a man of few words? I love your long rants and creative lists of "Do's and Don'ts!" You are brilliant! Oh my. Thanks. Jul 06 05 02:43 pm Link I see patrick is still playing with himself on this thread. Jul 06 05 03:40 pm Link Posted by CocoBongo: I started a thread yesterday about being responsible by thinking about what you were posting etc. and etc. I guess I must have hit a nerve because some folks reacted strongly... since OMP postings were the example I used. They tried to hijack the thread (a no-no but hay some folks are rebels and the rules don't apply to them), some tried to yell and scream their way to dominence in the thread... a couple even indicated if it was such a big deal why didn't MM lock the threads... well quess what? Now all of the OMP threads are locked. You are already forcing the owner/moderators hand... Perhaps the angry posters will be banned Jul 06 05 03:44 pm Link Posted by RStephenT: Posted by CocoBongo: I started a thread yesterday about being responsible by thinking about what you were posting etc. and etc. I guess I must have hit a nerve because some folks reacted strongly... since OMP postings were the example I used. They tried to hijack the thread (a no-no but hay some folks are rebels and the rules don't apply to them), some tried to yell and scream their way to dominence in the thread... a couple even indicated if it was such a big deal why didn't MM lock the threads... well quess what? Now all of the OMP threads are locked. You are already forcing the owner/moderators hand... Perhaps the angry posters will be banned I agree with you. It was rude that way some people behaved with that past thread. Should we blame it on the dog? LOL Jul 06 05 04:07 pm Link I agree with you. It was rude that way some people behaved with that past thread. Should we blame it on the dog? LOL Yes Yes it was the dog... let's go find that whittle sucker and beat him up... grin. Jul 06 05 04:31 pm Link In all fairness to the founders at OMP, the site was, at one time, a valuable tool for photogs and models to market their talent. Although I was not on as early as Select was, (my number was under 6000) I was there when it was a free site that accepted donations via Paypal. I think that OMP erred seriously when they decided to switch the site's emphasis from a "business to business" tool, to a "community." In my mind, the undoing of OMP was the addition of the chat rooms. Those rooms engendered an incredible amount of hate and fostered the creation of several nasty, warring cliques. Making matters worse were all the contests which just increased the rivalries amongst those cliques. Ultimately, I found it impossible to conduct any business on OMP. Jul 06 05 05:16 pm Link Posted by Belair: I don't know that the chatrooms are the main issue, quite frankly you have a number of those from OMP chat now on MM shout. Same people, bringing same tribes. Jul 06 05 05:19 pm Link [b] NO! Leave the Dog alone!! Jul 06 05 07:14 pm Link Posted by lisamona: [b] NO! Leave the Dog alone!! So sorry Lisa....several of us are out looking for the dog(the dog has already been deemed responsible by a select party) right now... and when we find him... grin Jul 06 05 07:47 pm Link Posted by RStephenT: Posted by lisamona: [b] NO! Leave the Dog alone!! So sorry Lisa....several of us are out looking for the dog(the dog has already been deemed responsible by a select party) right now... and when we find him... grin Jul 06 05 08:26 pm Link WARNING! HERE COMES ANOTHER LONG POST! LOL In response to Belair ... You bring up a very good point! And thank you for presenting your thoughts with regard to what may have made the OMP website not as pleasant "a place" to be. I am not sure what goes on in those "chatrooms" I tend to stay away from those sort of places. If there are isolated incidences of disrespect or worse ... it's not as easy to prove than when it's posted on a forum such as this one. Also it should be noted that even though ModelMayhem monitors have locked threads from time to time, at least they DO leave em so we can read em! I really do like the forum better here! My number on OMP is #2662, so I was able to be "free" for awhile too! As far as my own experience with OMP, I have had the opportunity to shoot with many models from the site. The larger the site has become, the more "adult" industry members I see dominating or even harassing some of the new members. It does seem a battle for models and photographers whose focus is not on nudity or porn to get any respect on there! I would certainly NOT recommend any parent placing a profile for their young child on OMP, but I see it all the time. Not good!  These are not issues that the members have much control of, nor does it seem that OMP admin. is moving fast enough to address these issues. I do understand the frustrations that many members here have with OMP, but I also look at the advantages of OMP too. It is a huge data base ... a large search engine that when I talk with people on the phone ... all I have to do is say "google my name and click on the first OMP link you see with it ... should be #2662" and they find me with very little effort. No one should mistake me for being a hypocrite when I talk about good or bad things about OMP OR MM, because I do see a gray area where both sites are helpful. It is true that maybe the MM admin can learn from the mistakes of OMP. I'll say one more good thing I like about OMP ... that is their navigation from page to page once logged in ... has been very easy and good for me. I find it easy to use the tools for my control panel as a member when making changes to my data. One more issue I see as a problem with OMP is that they have tried to take on more "memberships" than they should. When they came up with 4 main plans for members ... I saw this coming. It is so freaking complicated to join the site now! I checked it out pretending to be one of the models I am "managing" to see what the experience of "upgrading" is like! It's amazing that they get anyone one at all to sign up! With multiple billing options provided by separate billing companies ... Paypal being one .. I see it as a real headache to figure out anything! From choices of what prize" to pick to 4 different plans, recurring monthly on one area then having to pay for a yearly on a whole different CC network (Paypal) that I am sure that OMP is paying an outrageous amount to the billing companies. Very few credit card billing companies can provide service for all 4 memberships, all 4 major credit cards, as well as recurring and annual billing cycles! Can anyone? You guys know what? I could do it! After 9 months of research and development plus programming and testing, I could actually handle it with my credit card network. The big question is ... would I want to? LOL Are all these different levels of "memberships" necessary? Tyler, take note of this ... I think that OMP has MUCH TOO MANY membership options, and that will be the downfall of OMP. Think about this ... when ever people are given more control of "your" website simply by purchasing the highest level ... then those who are buying a lesser membership will feel the pain of a caste system. IT does cause problems when people feel that they are getting treated differently than others. It IS guaranteed that there will be "favorites" and others will not like that when they are left out of the cliche which has grown around the OMP business system. I am NOT a part of that cliche, nor do I care to associate with those people. The people here seem to treat each other as equals for the most part because it is not a paid site where those of us with more money can buy a higher STATUS on this website ... at least not yet. I wish OMP were able to have marketed an equal membership plan that would not cause such a status battle within the website. It is the cliches that the administration allow to grow with in the membership that has spoiled it for those who just want to "have fun!" Someday I will leave OMP ... just not yet! It's still a powerful marketing tool for me. Do not create multiple levels of memberships, and it may help keep the dogs and cats here feeling equally loved by you! I would rather pay exactly the same as everybody else than feel like a OMP Nazi when I defend the monster website! LOL We are all equal members here! Hope my rant is useful and constructive to those reading it. Have a good evening! Note: No Dogs OR Cats were hurt while posting this.  Jul 06 05 08:41 pm Link Both Belair and Patrick have brought up some very good points about OMP. I will have been a member for 3 years this coming August and although they started charging shortly thereafter, they did offer some good initial plans that were very attractive. I found OMP to be a fairly effective networking tool in making contact with artistic orientated models(but you have to really work at it), but as far as producing any significant income it wasn't effective for me. I also wanted to see what would happen when a model placed her profile on OMP (I had heard rumors that they were inundated with offers for adult work etc), and to my surprise that didn't happen. What I have noticed in the past year or so is that as the site has grown in numbers the responsiveness of the models has gone down(it was never that great actually)... in a sense they then become victoms of their own success and I also think it is a reflection of the lack of seriousness of many of the models. Contrasting that with MM the response rate is very good... but MM is a lot smaller. After some reflection I also removed all showcases from my profile... mainly because of the nature of the selection process(which by the way OMP has readily admitted was never intended to become that big a deal... it was always just someone's feeling that this was a good shot... but the members made it a very big deal so I don't think anyone can fault OMP on that point, although they do give them out now as rewards etc). But like Patrick I have noticed recently the influx of what seems like a lot of women doing adult work. I have even had a couple of ladies interested in working with me, who after several more weeks of exposure to OMP actually dropped their membership because of the # of adult orientated requests, even when they specifically indicated they weren't interested... I had never seen that kind of fearful response before. In the end OMP, MM, SBC, Yahoo, all of them provide a service of one sort or another... I'll use the service until I no longer feel it is worth my time or $$$. I sincerely hope that MM doesn't start doing a "shocase" imitation, and Patrick's thoughs on establishing a simplier level of membership is very sound. I noted that Patrick didn't harm any dogs in his posting... me on the other hand... grin Jul 06 05 09:31 pm Link And yes Patrick that is a very, very cute doggie...sheeesh Jul 06 05 09:35 pm Link personal experience & thoughts on these posts.. I upgraded on OMP this year.. I have made my money back 1,000's of times over. I receive tons of mail and there is the occasional requests or recommendations that I should do nudes. I politely reply I do not do them and thanks for writing and that's the end of that. I have had problems with various issues on OMP and they took care of them. Sometimes it may have taken sometime to get it done, but it did get done. I have met a lot of photographers and models on the site and very pleased with how they conducted themselves and their professional manner. The chatroom: many times there are jerks in there as there are on these boards from time to time. When in the room I have no problem with asking them to clean it up, go in a private chatroom etc. Most times they are just nice peeps to chat with like here on the boards. The constant whining about OTHER sites to me is not productive. If you disagree with a site move on and learn by it. What reflects on one person does not mean it reflects on the majority. There are sites I did not get any work from, boards were rude etc I just left them. It's just a site and if you don't like it I don't see what the problem is to just leave it if you don't like it instead of complaining constantly regarding them. If you think this site is hurting OMP it's not. They are two total identities and with special qualities of their own. two comments I noticed in these posts were.. 1. They had paid OMP but had no pictures up so were not being shown. In their rules it states.. WARNING All Members that have not uploaded any images to their portfolio will remain in a pending mode. This means that your profile will not be listed in the OMP search engine, your profile will not be sent to the photographers / agents in your State / Country, and you will not receive email notifications from the new photographers added in your area. 2. Saying they were taking down information regarding MM. In their rules also states.. OneModelPlace.comTM is under no obligation to provide exposure to competing sites through links or other methods in portfolio and may remove those at it's discretion, and without notice. They spell these things out in their rules. I'm more into first hand knowledge of what is best for me and what will work best for me. Input from others I do take into consideration, but at the same time it comes down to what my experience is with what ever I do. final thought.. I like both sites for totally different reasons and content. To those that are new I'd say judge for yourself and not go on face value of posts, but make your own judgement call. Jul 07 05 12:08 am Link Posted by RStephenT: Yep, you go back to earlier times when we used to feel like we knew the owners of OMP. Awww those were the daze! Does anyone know this Tyler guy who claims to be top dog around here? Hmmm ... lol Jul 07 05 12:13 am Link we'll yesterday I posted that I was leaving OMP to stay in MM in their model chit-chat forum. Plus I updated my portfolio stating the reasons why. So today, no access to the message board and they deleted the text in my portfolio. There was a one line message at the end of my portfolio which under their ToC they could remove but the rest they should of left it alone. Plus, I noticed now that when someone does a photographer search my main image is no longer displayed, but instead a photo saying image not available, even though it is there if you bring up my profile. We'll I have about 21 more days left until my paid acct ends. Jul 07 05 04:43 am Link Posted by AshleyDanielle: Thats a rarity, someone that actually reads the Terms of Service. Jul 07 05 02:39 pm Link Posted by DeSimoni: At first I felt sorry for you since you had a paid membership, even considering if I should drop my profile from OMP, but then I read the above about the Terms and Conditions of Service. Jul 07 05 03:39 pm Link Posted by Patrick Walberg: Posted by DeSimoni: At first I felt sorry for you since you had a paid membership, even considering if I should drop my profile from OMP, but then I read the above about the Terms and Conditions of Service. what I stated in the profile on the last line was my MM#, nothing I would consider extreme when it came to the ToS. Jul 07 05 07:00 pm Link Posted by AshleyDanielle: Therein lies the rub. In the above "warning" statement OMP was requiring both payment plus full and complete usage rights to those images (OMP TOS - 7). Jul 10 05 10:07 am Link OMP is a bomb site, i love it. MM is a bomb site too, i love this site. Both are good for different reasons. i think people just get used to a norm, and when it's changed, it ruffles their feathers. especially when that change means they have to dig into their pockets a little deeper. but like i said before, if you are complaining that it's not worth 10 lousy bucks to list your portfolio on OMP, then it's probably not worth us viewing it either... Jul 10 05 10:24 am Link Posted by Patrick Walberg: Posted by lisamona: ... and I like cats! LOL In the immortal words of Sir Winston Churchill ... "I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals." Jul 10 05 10:53 am Link Posted by theda: "Here, Here!" Or is it, "Hear, Hear"? Anyways, I agree. Jul 24 05 10:57 am Link I am a member of many sites... including OMP (#3538). There are some things I don't care for with that site, but I have met models and photographers there. I figure that as long as I can network with others, it's all good. I have actually networked a lot with models at MYSPACE as well. You will always find something you don't care for at most any site. It's no big deal. I know I wouldn't have been able to meet as many as I have without the various sites. Jul 24 05 11:04 am Link I belong to both sites and a few others and so far had the best experience with MM and Myspace (surprisingly). Jul 24 05 11:24 am Link Posted by Geo Silva: Posted by lilpinki69: I enjoy using many websites, including MM, OMP and MySpace. None are perfect, but there are advantages to being on all of them! Jul 27 05 02:40 pm Link |
