Posted by Sara Green: 
Someone keeps posting a "new models" website... that has most areas defined.... hopefully they'll post the link here for you to use too

Here it is
www.newmodels.com

Posted by datadr: 
I saw a model ad recently that said she did glamour, but her images showed her topless.

Topless isn't exactly nudes, now is it?

lol

So I saw another ad for a glamour model, contacted her, and was told she did'nt do topless, but would do sheer.

Sounds good to me.

Posted by Aaron_H: 
Another thing that bugs the shit out of me is "casual," someone here already said it speaks for it self, maybe so if you're an OMP person, but I say what in the fucking hell is casual for god's sake?

I suggest dictionary.com

It means absolutely nothing in the real world of modeling or photography, there is no such category.

God, when will you people ever shut up about your "REAL WORLD" modeling.  You want Real World?  Watch MTV or something.

Posted by MichaelBell: 
Now I really have no desire to work with a model who deals with an agency, sounds like the pain in the ass I've heard it usually is.

Welcome to MM - I don't know what you heard as far as agency or agency models but there are a ton of positive reasons to shoot them.

- first off, you have to prove that you can provide the type of images the agency needs in order to market their girls, so it's a higher level of photography
- your skills will improve becasue you are now shooting for agency approval which means that you are now producing a product that includes, hair and makeup, clothing and the correct location based on the clothes and desired look - you will be responsible for everything
- no BS in terms of no shows or unusual attitudes, if you have a problem, simply call the agency and they'll handle it
- these girls will get commercial work so you'll have girls that are known by ad agencies which further promote you
- huge selection of marketable girls / guys - once you get to the point to where they allow you to choose who you want
- first step towards getting to the level of shooting for ad agencies
- more exposure in the commercial world

There are more reasons but this all I can think of for now.

Posted by * Visual Mindscapes *: 

Posted by Aaron_H: 
Another thing that bugs the shit out of me is "casual," someone here already said it speaks for it self, maybe so if you're an OMP person, but I say what in the fucking hell is casual for god's sake?

I suggest dictionary.com

I know what the word means you total moron, but it's meaningless as a modeling category.

It means absolutely nothing in the real world of modeling or photography, there is no such category.

Posted by * Visual Mindscapes *: 
God, when will you people ever shut up about your "REAL WORLD" modeling.  You want Real World?  Watch MTV or something.

Probably never, there's no reason to. When will you ever shut up period? Unfortunately I already know the answer to that.

Posted by lisamona: 
like one smart photographer told me:
Fashion- "F you"
Glamour- "F me" attitude

(raises hand) it was me...

Posted by datadr: 
First I would like to introduce myself as a new member here. I hail from Portland OR/ and Dallas TX.

Now I would like to see a concise definition on the following modeling styles.

Fashion, Casual, Swimsuit ( think it speaks for itself), Glamour, Nude,
Fetish.

And all those other terms that are thrown about. For example I saw a model ad recently that said she did glamour, but her images showed her topless. So I saw another ad for a glamour model, contacted her, and was told she did'nt do topless, but would do sheer.
Somewhere there has to be a definition. If there isn't one, perhaps there needs to be one.

Thanks

Datadr

Datadr,
  You can't rely on definitions for these types of terms.  There are no solid definitions that everyone agrees on and there never will be.  Just be clear and specific up front when discussing the details of a shoot with a model.  That's the only way to make sure everyone understands each other.

Posted by Doug Swinskey: 
artisitc = makes the photographer look good
fashion = makes the clothes look good
glamour = makes the model look good

I LOVE it!  I've got to get this tattooed somewhere.  Perfect definitions...

Then, of course, there's MY photography, which makes no one look good...

Posted by datadr: 
First I would like to introduce myself as a new member here. I hail from Portland OR/ and Dallas TX.

Now I would like to see a concise definition on the following modeling styles.

Fashion, Casual, Swimsuit ( think it speaks for itself), Glamour, Nude,
Fetish.

And all those other terms that are thrown about. For example I saw a model ad recently that said she did glamour, but her images showed her topless. So I saw another ad for a glamour model, contacted her, and was told she did'nt do topless, but would do sheer.
Somewhere there has to be a definition. If there isn't one, perhaps there needs to be one.

Thanks

Datadr

my definitions:

Glamour - An air of compelling charm, romance, and excitement, especially when delusively alluring.

to me this is a sample of glamour (there is no nude in glamour)


Fashion to me can be lingerie, swimsuit, outfit that is new, refreshing, latest style, off the wall designs, trend setting.

Nude (again to me) is the chest or pelvic area showing

fetish - tied up, taped up, chained up, ball thing in mouth, grinding heals in someones private area,  whips or any other items bound around a person tight (at least this is what i've seen on various peoples pages that are labeled fetish.

I can see there are many different views to what this is. Mostly I do not understand when people started defining glamour as nudes.. two totally different things to me

Posted by AshleyDanielle: 
I can see there are many different views to what this is. Mostly I do not understand when people started defining glamour as nudes.. two totally different things to me

Glamour can have an element of nudity to it just like fashion can.  It's not the presence or absence of clothing that makes glamour, it's the more the atmosphere or emotion evoked by the photo, like what you stated in your definition of glamour.

IMO, that photo you posted as an example is not glamour at all.  It's red carpet paparazzi.  I would agree that the dress and woman could be described as glamourous but it's a terrible photo and not a "glamour" photo (I hate all this red carpet celebrity stuff so please excuse me if that sounded a little harsh).

I don't think of nude as a genre or style of photography, I think of it as an element that may or may not be present within various styles, i.e. fashion, glamour, artistic (this term bugs me too but that's another debate) etc.

Posted by Gary Davis: 

Posted by AshleyDanielle: 
I can see there are many different views to what this is. Mostly I do not understand when people started defining glamour as nudes.. two totally different things to me

Glamour can have an element of nudity to it just like fashion can.  It's not the presence or absence of clothing that makes glamour, it's the more the atmosphere or emotion evoked by the photo, like what you stated in your definition of glamour.

IMO, that photo you posted as an example is not glamour at all.  It's red carpet paparazzi.  I would agree that the dress and woman could be described as glamourous but it's a terrible photo and not a "glamour" photo (I hate all this red carpet celebrity stuff so please excuse me if that sounded a little harsh).

I don't think of nude as a genre or style of photography, I think of it as an element that may or may not be present within various styles, i.e. fashion, glamour, artistic (this term bugs me too but that's another debate) etc.

LOL I meant her not the photo, but for lack of a quick choice online as what I thought of someone glamourous.. how she looks is what I mean. Not harsh at all, I should of stated "her" in the photo (hair, face, figure, dress) and not the photo it's self. Hard to find exactly what you want when you want it tho

Posted by AshleyDanielle: 
LOL I meant her not the photo, but for lack of a quick choice online as what I thought of someone glamourous.. how she looks is what I mean. Not harsh at all, I should of stated "her" in the photo (hair, face, figure, dress) and not the photo it's self. Hard to find exactly what you want when you want it tho

Ah ok, I gotcha.  As a photographer I tend to look at the overall photograph first