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What photographers are willing to work with somebody that's 16 Apr 10 09 03:59 pm Link Those that don't mind escorts. Apr 10 09 04:01 pm Link Carly Cherie wrote: Since most photographers won't shoot with you unless a parent is present to sign a release, less photographers will be willing to work with you. Apr 10 09 04:02 pm Link What if you don't live with your parents Apr 10 09 04:03 pm Link Carly Cherie wrote: Your legal guardian. Apr 10 09 04:04 pm Link Carly Cherie wrote: I can't speak for all photographers, but I'm certian that most would require an adult chaperon and a model release signed by a parent or legal guardian, as a bare minimum. Apr 10 09 04:05 pm Link Captured Grace wrote: Very true. Apr 10 09 04:06 pm Link I mean like, what if your emancipated Apr 10 09 04:07 pm Link Apr 10 09 04:08 pm Link fashion photographers and lots of teenage hobbyists. in fashion, 21 is really pushing the envelope in terms of age. Apr 10 09 04:10 pm Link Those pictures are really pretty :] Apr 10 09 04:10 pm Link Carly Cherie wrote: Since you are a minor, there has to be someone that can sign for you, since you are too young to enter into a binding contract. Apr 10 09 04:11 pm Link If you're obscenely tall and skinny and I'm having my annual flirtation with fashion photography, I will. Otherwise I shoot nudes, so... not so much. Regardless of age or height or interest in nude work, the first hard lesson of being a model or photographer is to accept rejection. Ask, ask, ask, and if 90% of the photographers run away because they have vision of news cameras and Chris Hansen dancing in their head, work with the other 10%. Younger photographers are probably more likely to work with you. If a nearby school photography class, volunteer to model for the students. There's a high school photography class around here that produces work that puts most of MM to shame, so MM isn't the only vehicle. Apr 10 09 04:11 pm Link Carly Cherie wrote: I'm sorry, wouldn't matter for me, I, like most in my position, have put too much sweat, blood, tears and cash into my profession and reputation to put it in the hands of a teenager. I'm not trying to discriminate, but you aren't even old enough to sign a contract that would be considered legally binding. It's a potential nightmare. All it would take is ONE person considering ONE image REMOTELY exploitative and I'm ruined. Sorry, that's the world we now live in. Apr 10 09 04:12 pm Link Carly Cherie wrote: I have and will continue to do so. Too bad you are so far away. Apr 10 09 04:13 pm Link I don't know what there is t sign Apr 10 09 04:14 pm Link Apr 10 09 04:15 pm Link Image K wrote: I'm curious. Wouldn't this only be an issue for someone who plans or wants to use the photos for commercial purposes? If I understand it correctly, a release is not required for personal use (port, web, etc) or even to be used in a book, newspaper, etc. Anything that doesn't tie the image to an ad. Apr 10 09 04:15 pm Link I've shot with 16 year olds. No big deal. Apr 10 09 04:15 pm Link Captured Grace wrote: Well said. Apr 10 09 04:18 pm Link Carly Cherie wrote: There could possibly be problems with an emancipated model signing a release. Apr 10 09 04:18 pm Link David Scott wrote: The problem isn't strictly the age, it's the lack of any legal guardianship or representation. Apr 10 09 04:18 pm Link I didnât mind, and have replied to a few casting calls for 16 years old local models for TF*. The main problem was bringing one of the parents to the conversation â no parent involved, not shooting: (my message): ⦠âI think the easiest way is you to send a reply e-mail to me with copy to your parent e-mail.â (the underage model replied): âEverything sounds great, but my parents only speak spanish so.... I'll explain everything to them.â The second problem was trying to plan the shooting â concept, looks, location (I do not have a studio), etc â not a clue what they want and difficult agree on location and outfit (most of time just asking for âcreative photoâ but unable to elaborate further). The last thing I faced was communication â unable to reply with a direct question with a direct answer. Things like, âwe could do A, B, or C. Do you have any preference?â and the answer would be: âIt sounds great.â Of course there are exceptions, but this was my recent experience. Apr 10 09 04:21 pm Link Apr 10 09 04:22 pm Link I'm happy to work with 16 year-olds, but they've got to be fashion model material. In other words, tall and thin, and she's got to be serious about modeling. The biggest risk from this age group, in my opinion, is girls just looking for free pictures. At your age and height, I'd treat you as a portrait customer and charge you accordingly. Apr 10 09 04:23 pm Link Carly Cherie wrote: If you're legally emancipated, you're legally and adult and can sign contracts. However, you'll have to find 1) a photographer who knows about emancipation and 2) who trusts your legal proof of emancipation. Apr 10 09 04:24 pm Link Apr 10 09 04:27 pm Link Captured Grace wrote: well don't shoot remotely exploitative images with minors and you don't have to worry about it. People shoot with minors all the time. Apr 10 09 04:28 pm Link Captured Grace wrote: I'm lost. Apr 10 09 04:29 pm Link I don't choose to work with those under 18 unless their parents are present. I just don't want to take the chance of something coming up. Exceptions are when they sign a release and then I do want to speak with them prior to the shoot as well. You should visit some agencies. There is a demand for models under 18 and if the shoot is booked through an agency, there are a lot less issues to worry about as there is seldom any question as to whether the shoot is legit. Mark http://markstoutphotography.com Apr 10 09 04:29 pm Link Conceptually Black wrote: The problem is, what defines "remotely exploitative images" is very ambiguous. Apr 10 09 04:31 pm Link Carly Cherie wrote: Most of us here on MM require our model's to sign an agreement of some kind, as well as a model release. Both of those documents are types of contracts, and while I don't know what Florida's laws may require, I do know that in Illinois only persons 18 years of age or older may contract on their own behalf... Apr 10 09 04:32 pm Link Conceptually Black wrote: Depends where you are. In most of the states, emancipation kind of shoots you up to "adult" status, instead of minor- this means you can enter into legally binging contracts and so forth. However, the states rarely grant legal emancipation- in recent times, I've only known of emancipation being granted when a kid was almost 18 anyways and something extreme happened (such as death of a family or foster parents)... well, discounting actions such as marrying before turning 18 (which grants automatic emancipation). Apr 10 09 04:36 pm Link Gallery By Hal wrote: Yes, we do. Apr 10 09 04:37 pm Link Carly Cherie wrote: A model release. My advice for you is to work with photography students. Are there any schools in your area where students are looking for models to shoot? It's a great way to start. Make sure you let them know that you are underage. They may or may not make you sign a release (I've never had to at the school where I model), but make sure you also talk that over with them before they agree to shoot you. Apr 10 09 04:38 pm Link Image K wrote: no. It is done all the time. People shoot with minors all the time. You don't see them being drug before a court and burnt at the stake, it isn't a crime. Apr 10 09 04:39 pm Link Dove KT wrote: I was just reading more, even found some places where contracting an STD or HIV/AIDS is grounds for legal emancipation. Yeah, it is varied state by state. Apr 10 09 04:40 pm Link Image K wrote: Exactly. Call me paranoid, but I live and work in the Okanagan Valley in British Columbia, Canada and there is no shortage of young ladies 18 and over that can legally sign a contract. It's not that I have an issue with shooting with a model under 18, I simply will not do it without a parents signature and one or both present for the shoot. Maybe if I met with her parents I would feel different about needing them at the shoot, but that's a BIG maybe, even so, I would still require another adult present. Apr 10 09 04:41 pm Link I don't mind, as long as a parent or guardian is present during the shoot. Apr 10 09 04:41 pm Link I have no problem with it. 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