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Rik Bowman

Posts: 285

Taos, New Mexico, US

For many years, I've always appreciated natural light, using flash for fill only for certain instances or occassions.

I've got to get in the studio and expand the horizons so to speak.

I'm preparring to dive into the studio next weekend. Nice place and for the hourly price plus lighting equipment, can't beat it.

I've read on the standard styles of lighting and set up, but I figured what better source of suggestions and help than right here on MM.

Question:

What not do do using strobe lighting.

That's basically the question.

I still use film, I want to retain the color punch if you will so suggestions on strobe settings: I plan on using 100 ISO. The 400 Tri X for B/W.

Thank you everyone, hurricane Dennis is doing a fine job at washing my car this morning.

Rik

Jul 09 05 08:31 am Link

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Marcus J. Ranum

Posts: 3247

MORRISDALE, Pennsylvania, US

Posted by Rik Bowman: 
What not do do using strobe lighting.

When I started with strobes, I had big contrast problems because I had been shooting with natural light for 5 or 6 years and gotten used to it. Natural light can be extremely diffused, if that's what you like (which is what I liked!) even though it's a point-source. So I got the stupids and thought I would use a single strobe and reflector combination at a distance - and got these incredibly contrasty awful shots.

The great thing about studio lights is the 100% control they give you over your lighting. The downside is that you have to worry about 100% of your lighting. smile

Have fun!!!!!!!

mjr.

Jul 09 05 08:38 am Link

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Columbus Photo

Posts: 2318

Columbus, Georgia, US

Put the main light as close to the model as you can get it without it showing up in the frame.  Start with the fill about 2-2.5 stops less than the main.  That should get you rolling.

Paul

Jul 09 05 03:17 pm Link

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Fred Brown Photo

Posts: 1302

Chicago, Illinois, US

It's going to be a learning expirence for you. Shoot, have fun, play around, take notes, lots of meter readings - oh yeah, you need a flash meter your luna pro won't work here hehe Anyways, try lots of stuff and remember more flash heads are not going to make your shot better. After you get your proofs, study study study them, see what you like, what you don't like and thus begins your study of studio lighting.

Oh, and you "need" to soften the light, umbrellas, soft boxes, etc. neither is better, just depends on personal preferences.

Jul 11 05 11:39 am Link

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Star

Posts: 17966

Los Angeles, California, US

I don't have one, but have seen it used, nothing beats a photolite for creating natural looking light.

I hate umbrellas.

Jul 11 05 12:50 pm Link

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CreativeSandBoxStudio

Posts: 1984

London, England, United Kingdom

Posted by Rik Bowman: 
For many years, I've always appreciated natural light, using flash for fill only for certain instances or occassions.

I've got to get in the studio and expand the horizons so to speak.

I'm preparring to dive into the studio next weekend. Nice place and for the hourly price plus lighting equipment, can't beat it.

I've read on the standard styles of lighting and set up, but I figured what better source of suggestions and help than right here on MM.

Question:

What not do do using strobe lighting.

That's basically the question.

I still use film, I want to retain the color punch if you will so suggestions on strobe settings: I plan on using 100 ISO. The 400 Tri X for B/W.

Thank you everyone, hurricane Dennis is doing a fine job at washing my car this morning.

Rik

I perfer to shoot with TRI-X PAn (iso 320) 220, but I never shoot anything smaller than 2 1/4 format. Also what type of developer are you using....increase the development time by 30%. It depends on what you are  looking for in shooting with strobe or hot lights.....

Jul 11 05 12:54 pm Link

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alexwh

Posts: 3104

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

Posted by Paul Ferrara: 
Put the main light as close to the model as you can get it without it showing up in the frame.  Start with the fill about 2-2.5 stops less than the main.  That should get you rolling.

Paul

This is the best piece of advice anybody here will get. That soft box (more directional than an umbrell) has to be barely out of frame. If you have a gray wall or background by placing your model a certain distance from it (experiment until you will know with your gut) the model will either pop out of the background (with a light gray that will be light gray because of your softbox spill) or it will blend into the black of the wall (if you are far enough away. A door sized carboard painted whit on one side and black on the other can be used to fill the dark side of your model. If you think you need a hair light you will need an additional head for your flash pack or (another monoblock). And that's it. If you shoot film I recommend two things:
1. A Minolta Autometer IV-F or V-F. It is not top of the line but it is extremely accurate and all you will ever need.
2. Shoot Ektachrome 100 G. One it is American-made and Two it is lower in contrast. It scans beautifully. And once you know how to use your Minolta you will never (as I never) bracket.

Jul 11 05 12:59 pm Link

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alexwh

Posts: 3104

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

This shot, which through the years has been one of my most successfull, I took with a one and a half by two foot softbox. I used no hair light or reflector. Because the model had blond hair I did not need a hairlight. The pack I use is a very dependable and old Dynalite 800. I like the recessed reflectors on the heads. When I drop them (this is often!) only the modelling light bulbs go and the flash tubes keep on working. I like the 140mm lens of my Mamiya RB because its 75mm equivalent in 35 means that you get a bit telephoto but you are close enough to your model to work on the mutual physical proximity. The resulting portrait (in this focal length) will have intimacy.
https://www.modelmayhem.com/pics/20050711/2/42d2b45dde0d9.jpg

Jul 11 05 01:11 pm Link

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MS Photo Chicago

Posts: 387

Chicago, Illinois, US

Take notes about what you and uses polaroids. Instant feed back to how the light will look and what makes sense.

Jul 11 05 08:16 pm Link

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Marcus J. Ranum

Posts: 3247

MORRISDALE, Pennsylvania, US

Posted by Michael Sloane: 
Take notes about what you and uses polaroids. Instant feed back to how the light will look and what makes sense.

A digital camera is a cheap and easy replacement for a polaroid (especially since polaroid inc will probably be gone in another 5 years)..  Just a thought. That was what got me to finally "go digital" I used a digcam as a polariod/lightmeter for 2 years.

Also, taking notes is a great idea - but be honest with yourself about whether you're going to take the scientific approach to photography or the artistic approach. Keeping and consulting notebooks is great but only if you're going to have the discipline to actually try to analyze your work in that manner. I'm convinced there are many paths to photographic craft - and the one you take will depend on your personality and how serious you are about it.

mjr.
(PS - by "discipline" and "serious" I do not mean to imply that either path is better or worse, I just didn't have better words.)

Jul 11 05 08:30 pm Link

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Timothy

Posts: 1618

Madison, Wisconsin, US

Posted by Rik Bowman:  Question:

What not do do using strobe lighting.

That's basically the question.

If the strobe lighting is plugged in, do not drop it into a full bathtub.

I'm afraid that's the only advice I'm able to give as I've never used strobe lighting.

-TMH

Jul 11 05 09:03 pm Link

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Marcus J. Ranum

Posts: 3247

MORRISDALE, Pennsylvania, US

Posted by Timothy M. Hughes: 
I'm afraid that's the only advice I'm able to give as I've never used strobe lighting.

Well, since you haven't done much with strobes, here's a hint for you - if you're ever trying to see if your flash tube is defective, just put your tongue across the contacts where the tube goes and hit the "TEST" button on your pack. If you feel anything, then the pack is OK.

mjr.
(PS - I am kidding. Don't actually do that!)

Jul 11 05 09:12 pm Link

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MS Photo Chicago

Posts: 387

Chicago, Illinois, US

Use the digital to make sure the light is placed right. Use one or two polaroids to check the exposure since it will be closer to the film than the digital.

mike

Jul 12 05 11:59 pm Link

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Rik Bowman

Posts: 285

Taos, New Mexico, US

Too funny Timothy and Marcus wink

Thank you all for the advice. I do believe that the studio does offer a flash meter (YES, i'm dying to finally get one) and I'll follow the fill less 2-2.5 stops and experiment from there.

But, if you have the main at let's say f8 and the fill (firing test shots for each) at say f5.6, then won't the light compound for an overall reading near f11?

If so, though the sync in my cameras could range from a speed of 60 or 125, will i get too much depth of field?

I suppose that a majority of the time, i'm around 5.6 to f8 out there in natural light, depending on the scene, trying to blend out the back ground at a shutter of 60 or so, i'm not capturing motion.

I guess i'll have to experiment as you all say at maybe a f5.6 for main and go down two on the fill to get a darker feel?

Oh well, it's quite new to me but I'll try all of them! and of course take notes for sure.

Wish me luck....I hope no one cancels but then that's another thread all together smile

Rik

Jul 14 05 08:27 pm Link

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Columbus Photo

Posts: 2318

Columbus, Georgia, US

Most studio photographers make the lights match their f-stop rather than the reverse.  First, set your f-stop where you want it (f8 is pretty common and that's what I use).  In my case, I then adjust the fill light (if I'm using one) to say, f4.  I then turn on my main light and meter both lights until I get f8.

Also, set your shutter speed to the maximum permitted by your camera.  In my case that's 1/125.

Paul

Jul 14 05 11:17 pm Link