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studio36uk

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Edited from an article in Media Life magazine:

Mon dieu! A dirty catalog like no other

Shai goes well beyond Abercrombie & Fitch

By Ruth Marcus
May 15, 2006

Three years ago, Christian morality groups [in the US] were enraged over Abercrombie & Fitch’s “Christmas Field Guide.â€? Part catalog, part magazine and all sexual innuendo, its message so concerned the National Coalition for the Protection of Children and Families that the group organized a boycott and forced the magalog off retail shelves.

It appeared to be the end of the dirty catalog craze. Abercrombie & Fitch soon studiously fell in line with the whims of the censors.

It was not the end. Others clothing lines apparently missed the memo, and some have gone far edgier, pushing into that last frontier of attention-getting... pornography..., to sell their clothes, aided by the exponentially expanding internet and its far more accepting audience.

Enter Shai, a five year-old Paris-based company whose new online campaign marks the first use of hardcore to sell clothing.

Shai’s summer 2006 campaign demonstrates the role of clothing in desire, “key to highlighting the seductive dimension of the line,â€? a company press release reveals. But Shai in fact does more than highlight; in three pornographic catalog videos, Shai’s sexuality is impossible to miss....

...Visitors can select from interactive catalogs entitled “Women ++ Women,â€? “Women ++ Menâ€? and “Men ++ Men,â€? all of which feature attractive porn stars in various states of undress doing what they do best.... The videos are brightly lit, the actors’ faces are as clean and clear as the white sheets on which they perform.

Most striking about such an X-rated campaign is the straight-forward, nearly neutral manner in which it is presented. The site’s color scheme is a simple green and white, and for the wallpapers available in the “Goodiesâ€? section, the pornographic images are rendered in pastel, the solid colors reduced to lines. There is no place to order the products, which are sold only in stores.

Yet for all the sex on Shai, the site is not arousing. The message appears to be that it's really nothing to get especially upset about. Sexuality is a part of life at Shai, and is thus part of its sweatshirts as well.

Similarly, Shai clothing is all but devoid of sexual messages, mostly whites or pastel t-shirts, sweaters and flirty skirts and downright virginal compared to Abercrombie & Fitch. But then, who would notice such a thing?

Shai campaign...
Created by: agence7seven (FullSix Group)
Directed by: Hervé Bodilis
Produced by: Video Marc Dorcel
Starring: Oksana d’Harcourt, Sébastien Barrio, Titoff, Gamal Simon, Sophie Moon and Zafira.

Note for the record: Mark Dorcel often works for the Barcelona [Spain] based porn production house Private Media Group. The Shai videos contain scenes of actual penetration, anal and oral sex, male/male; male/female; and female/female.

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BELIEVE ME THIS IS DEFINATELY NOT WORK SAFE - NOT EVEN A LITTLE

The Shai website is: http://www.sexpacking.com

Presumably because of the level of traffic, the website is slow. If you are going to have a look be patient... and keep the Kleenex handy.

Studio36

May 16 06 04:44 pm Link

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Halcyon 7174 NYC

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I like that he's wearing a condom. That's good fashion.

May 16 06 05:46 pm Link

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Emeritus

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Las Vegas, Nevada, US

I wonder if those girls are all over 5'9" tall . . . .

May 16 06 06:16 pm Link

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Jack Elliott

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Just remember, in fashion its all about the clothes. You gotta make the clothes look good.... WTF?

May 16 06 06:37 pm Link

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NC17

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Baltimore, Maryland, US

If I'm not mistaken Marc Dorcel markets his stuff in the states under Wicked...

Very interesting...

May 16 06 06:41 pm Link

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James St Laurent

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Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

The campaign is honest! What is fashion anyway? Fashion is 'people packaging' to make people sexually attractive. Europe is not as uptight as the Americans when it comes to sex - or nudity. If you don't like the advertising don't buy the clothes. It is gutsy. Maybe a bit too forward thinking, but the real success will be if it increases the sales. (I personally don't give a rats ass about what any bible thumper has to say - they should keep their ancient scribblings to themselves.)

May 16 06 07:09 pm Link

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Gibson Photo Art

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Phoenix, Arizona, US

IDK. Kinda interesting.

May 16 06 07:37 pm Link

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jade83

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Columbia, Missouri, US

yeahh...kind of interesting, though, that someone might, for instance, decide that it's absolutely essential to have that purse that the "artistic figure+porn star pose" model is holding...hmm, maybe someone's hoping to come up with unconscious "visible pheromone" cues about sales items.

May 16 06 07:44 pm Link

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jon mmmayhem

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Philadelphia, Mississippi, US

i couldn't get it to load even, but... that's ok.
my curiosity only takes me so far.
and if i really want smut, there's a whole wide world of the internet to provide that, without the flimsy premise of "fashion" or clothing sales.

May 17 06 01:53 am Link

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A BRITT PRO-AM

Posts: 7840

CARDIFF BY THE SEA, California, US

jon mmmayhem wrote:
i couldn't get it to load even, but... that's ok.
my curiosity only takes me so far.
and if i really want smut, there's a whole wide world of the internet to provide that, without the flimsy premise of "fashion" or clothing sales.

ME NEITHER...

AND I LIKE TO GET MOST OF MY KIT OFF FOR SEX ANYWAY!

May 17 06 02:40 am Link

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studio36uk

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Tavai, Sigave, Wallis and Futuna

jade83 wrote:
yeahh...kind of interesting, though, that someone might, for instance, decide that it's absolutely essential to have that purse that the "artistic figure+porn star pose" model is holding...hmm, maybe someone's hoping to come up with unconscious "visible pheromone" cues about sales items.

Perhaps on an even more basic level the message is:

sex = makes you feel good;
fashion = makes you feel good;
Shai = makes you feel good on BOTH counts

Plays to one of the most fundamental human imperatives- water; food; shelter; and reproduction [or at least the mechanics of it] - and in an age of self-actualisation where YOU can make it happen.

"...unconscious "visible pheromone" cues about sales items..."? EXACTLY!

Studio36

May 17 06 06:04 am Link

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Mortonovich

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Just straight up shock value. It's bullshit. Not difficult to do.

May 17 06 06:18 am Link

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studio36uk

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Chip Morton wrote:
Just straight up shock value. It's bullshit. Not difficult to do.

Actually no... not for their customer demographic - U-25's

You must not get out much on a Friday or Saturday night. The "thrust" of it [yeah, and that too] is that sex can be soooo much better than copping a feel in the back seat or a quick grope in an alley... especially if you start out with the right clothes.

But to shock? No. One does not set out to "shock" their potential customers into NOT buying the product. That would be like an airline showing a commercial with their airplane having engine failure.

ROTFLMAO

Studio36

May 17 06 06:48 am Link

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Justin N Lane

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I like the rollovers, nice touch.

May 17 06 07:19 am Link

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David Scott

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Marion, Iowa, US

Justin N Lane wrote:
I like the rollovers, nice touch.

I agree.  You can see what the clothing looks like even in a big pile.  They should get into marketing furniture and bedding.

May 17 06 07:43 am Link

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BCI Photo

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Indianapolis, Indiana, US

Site needs some tweeking, but overall... Well, it made me want to buy something, just not a jacket. lol

May 17 06 07:47 am Link

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Danielle A

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Brisbane, Queensland, Australia

What I really like is the "I am 18" button!!!!!!

Marilyn
Danielle's mum

May 17 06 09:52 am Link

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jon mmmayhem

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Philadelphia, Mississippi, US

you don't think anyone would LIE, do you???

May 17 06 09:58 am Link

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Mortonovich

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San Diego, California, US

studio36uk wrote:

Actually no... not for their customer demographic - U-25's

You must not get out much on a Friday or Saturday night. The "thrust" of it [yeah, and that too] is that sex can be soooo much better than copping a feel in the back seat or a quick grope in an alley... especially if you start out with the right clothes.

But to shock? No. One does not set out to "shock" their potential customers into NOT buying the product. That would be like an airline showing a commercial with their airplane having engine failure.

ROTFLMAO

Studio36

Just the shock to get people talking about the line. The talk is generally perceived as a success. I think there's a ton of ways to do it and some are better than others. I don't dig this approach. It's just a few notches removed than "Jackass" or Girls Gone Wild.

The clothing company equivalent to the airline analogy would be a showing a guy or girl getting rejected and going home alone. But you're right, it would be humorous to see an airline run a spot where everyone is screwing in the flight.

What I'm saying is I don't dig these simplistic approaches to bombard our senses despite all the supposed intent behind it. No, I'm not in their target audience and even when I was, I felt the same way.

May 17 06 10:42 am Link

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Christopher Hartman

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TXPhotog wrote:
I wonder if those girls are all over 5'9" tall . . . .

if not, are you then going to refer the shorter models to them? wink

May 17 06 10:46 am Link

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bobby sargent

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I have DSL and after 3 hours of LOADING I just gave up.  Nothing is worth that much time.  bs

May 17 06 10:50 am Link

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Emeritus

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Las Vegas, Nevada, US

DigitalCMH wrote:

if not, are you then going to refer the shorter models to them? wink

These days I rarely refer any model to anyone.  But this does provide an answer to the short models who insist on doing fashion smile

May 17 06 11:49 am Link

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Halcyon 7174 NYC

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DigitalCMH wrote:
if not, are you then going to refer the shorter models to them? wink

TXPhotog wrote:
These days I rarely refer any model to anyone.  But this does provide an answer to the short models who insist on doing fashion smile

What do you mean, "fashion," this is a catalog.

May 17 06 12:14 pm Link

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studio36uk

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Tavai, Sigave, Wallis and Futuna

TXPhotog wrote:
These days I rarely refer any model to anyone.  But this does provide an answer to the short models who insist on doing fashion smile

Methinks they would have to agree to do just a teensy weensy bit more than that to work for Shai, or someone else, on a campaign like that...

What was it we were saying a while back about big time advertising on the Internet????

Just imagine what they could do with a "feminine hygiene" product. Gulp!!! LOL

Studio36

May 17 06 12:20 pm Link

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Emeritus

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Ched wrote:

DigitalCMH wrote:
if not, are you then going to refer the shorter models to them? wink

What do you mean, "fashion," this is a catalog.

Catalog work is fashion.  It's "fashion print" or "commercial fashion", but fashion nonetheless.

May 17 06 12:22 pm Link

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DANACOLE

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Oslo, Oslo, Norway

lmao
I think its funny.
I was reading some of the comments people posted in the react section, that some guys were like "I just jacked off to the men/women women/women part".

Oh and they aren't buying anything.


ha ha ha ha

free porn for them.

May 17 06 01:24 pm Link

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Webspinner Studios

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Ann Arbor, Michigan, US

I think the title of this thread alone deserves a bump. And, that way I can go look at the not even mildly worksafe link later. lol. Maybe I will be encouraged to go buy some of their clothes.....lol.

May 17 06 02:13 pm Link

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Andrea Barnett

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Sacramento, California, US

i thought it was funny. and a teensy bit hot wink

May 17 06 02:25 pm Link

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Andrea Barnett

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Sacramento, California, US

i thought it was funny. and a teensy bit hot wink

May 17 06 02:27 pm Link

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jon mmmayhem

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Philadelphia, Mississippi, US

yeah, it definitely had some heat
but i hate it when someone still has a shirt on when they're Doin' It.
shirt, no pants... just reminds me of Porky Pig. it looks ridiculous.

May 18 06 07:38 am Link

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J C ModeFotografie

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Los Angeles, California, US

TXPhotog wrote:
I wonder if those girls are all over 5'9" tall . . . .

Most probably not - but they were all cute and are welcome to eat crackers in my bed any time.

JAY carreon
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Aug 17 06 05:43 am Link

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J C ModeFotografie

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I viewed the men-women and the women-women.  They both need more footage!  What I mean is, it takes me longer than three minutes to . . . OH NEVERMIND!!!

JAY carreon
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Aug 17 06 05:46 am Link

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Hadyn Lassiter

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New Haven, Connecticut, US

Its all good,  was that a TFCD shoot?

Aug 17 06 06:48 am Link

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Rich Mohr

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Chicago, Illinois, US

Justin N Lane wrote:
I like the rollovers, nice touch.

Rollovers? Ugh I must have missed em... distracted by the video, hehe!

Aug 17 06 07:02 am Link

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D Freeman

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Fresno, California, US

I don't know what they're selling, but it probably already has stains on it..

Aug 17 06 07:07 am Link

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former_mm_user

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New York, New York, US

take that, american apparel!

i like the girl/girl one the best

Aug 17 06 07:23 am Link

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Hadyn Lassiter

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New Haven, Connecticut, US

molten love lava?

Aug 17 06 07:27 am Link

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studio36uk

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Tavai, Sigave, Wallis and Futuna

Demarcus Freeman wrote:
I don't know what they're selling, but it probably already has stains on it..

Don't worry... the bed sheets are not on the menu. wink

Studio36

Aug 17 06 11:36 am Link

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Brian Stewart Photo

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Houston, Texas, US

My faith in humanity is constantly on the decline......

Aug 17 06 11:48 am Link

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litlaur

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Atlanta, Georgia, US

selling bland clothing with sex, what a novel concept...

Aug 17 06 11:59 am Link