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BostockImages

Posts: 1299

Brooklyn, New York, US

From start to finish. How is this done? The lighting is easy. I'm interested in knowing the technical aspect (i.e. Post Production) and also, the steps during the shoot (as far as the stand in is concerned [if any]). There is one model in the shot. The other is the same model [alter ego] (combined in post production)

Sure, I've asked him... Waiting on a response :p
Here's a link to his work: www.modelmayhem.com/dblanks

https://modelmayhm-7.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/070930/02/46ff400c586ba.jpg

Sep 18 09 06:33 pm Link

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Too Hot For Snakes

Posts: 5596

TERLINGUA, Texas, US

big softbox, camera right

Sep 18 09 06:34 pm Link

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Solas

Posts: 10390

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

make sure to have lots of separation between subjects and the background

Sep 18 09 06:37 pm Link

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Good Egg Productions

Posts: 16713

Orlando, Florida, US

Post hidden on Sep 19, 2009 10:18 pm
Reason: not helpful

Sep 18 09 06:40 pm Link

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Keith_R

Posts: 845

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

Karl Johnston wrote:
make sure to have lots of separation between subjects and the background

There is only ONE subject in the image presented by the OP.

Sep 18 09 06:55 pm Link

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Alter Ego Pix

Posts: 3

Los Angeles, California, US

Im in new york we can have a shoot together and ill show you the one with the guy was my first shoot ever


https://modelmayhm-2.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/090907/22/4aa5eba3964e2_m.jpg


https://modelmayhm-2.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/090918/05/4ab37dfb32746_m.jpg


https://modelmayhm-2.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/090918/05/4ab37f7c1f66a_m.jpg

Sep 18 09 11:03 pm Link

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Thomas Andrew

Posts: 372

Boulder, Colorado, US

There are always a few "tells"... the trick is of course to do lots of planning

The one the OP made is quite good... for the web it is fairly easy to make them look good.  In high res it gets more difficult.

So there is not simple answer on "how it is done"... it is just planned out well.

If you take a look at this post from the same photographer...

https://modelmayhm-7.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/090608/20/4a2dd7b42273e_m.jpg

You can find "the tell" ... in the lack of shadow on the one models arm where the 'other' model is holding it.

With some good planning and a camera mounted on a very solid tri-pod and some good photoshop skills...it's not too hard.

I've done a few...

https://modelmayhm-7.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/080722/14/488629023b36d_m.jpg

"the tell" on mine is the miss between the direction the tie is being pulled and the position of the models hand pulling it...but as you can see I anticipated some problem and that is why I had the model standing have her hand hidden...

Sep 18 09 11:25 pm Link

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K Rish

Posts: 208

Dallas, Texas, US

Like this? Old photo but I still like it

https://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo101/k_rish/V1print-1.jpg

Sep 18 09 11:51 pm Link

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Gregg Zaun

Posts: 1084

San Diego, California, US

Watch The Real Housewives of Atlanta on Bravo.  The photographer in question was on a recent episode and they showed a lot of his process.

Sep 18 09 11:54 pm Link

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Jabari J Hunt

Posts: 528

Tampa, Florida, US

Someone has been watching the Real Housewives of Atlanta!  I'm actually untested in how this is done as well...

Sep 18 09 11:54 pm Link

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K Rish

Posts: 208

Dallas, Texas, US

Never seen it but if it has photography tips and sneak peeks, it's going on the to watch list

Sep 18 09 11:57 pm Link

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Monito -- Alan

Posts: 16524

Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Alter Ego Photography of Halifax is Brent McCombs

https://www.modelmayhem.com/206132

Very accomplished photographer.

Sep 19 09 03:51 am Link

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BostockImages

Posts: 1299

Brooklyn, New York, US

Gregg Zaun  wrote:
Watch The Real Housewives of Atlanta on Bravo.  The photographer in question was on a recent episode and they showed a lot of his process.

I saw the espisode you are speaking of. I saw what was done and how it was done in the camera. I need further explanation. Someone mentioned a tripod... Derek Blanks wasn't using one (at all). I need details... and more importantly, I need to know how to composite the images in post.

Sep 19 09 05:52 am Link

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Thomas Andrew

Posts: 372

Boulder, Colorado, US

HottShotz wrote:

I saw the espisode you are speaking of. I saw what was done and how it was done in the camera. I need further explanation. Someone mentioned a tripod... Derek Blanks wasn't using one (at all). I need details... and more importantly, I need to know how to composite the images in post.

Pay me to fly out there with all my equipment and I'll show you how it's done.

Now you can't beat that!

;-)

Sep 19 09 10:15 pm Link

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Click Hamilton

Posts: 36555

San Diego, California, US

By alter ego photography, do you simply mean two characters in the same image played by the same person?

If so, I think the trick to make it interesting is to

*tell a story, make a message
*separate the characters of your model, make them interactive with each other, and interactive with the viewer.
*add some extra layers of complexity
*add some magic tricks or illusions to keep people guessing
*add an element of discovery
*intertwine the composition to confound simple logic

Sep 19 09 10:19 pm Link

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BostockImages

Posts: 1299

Brooklyn, New York, US

Thomas Andrew wrote:

Pay me to fly out there with all my equipment and I'll show you how it's done.

Now you can't beat that!

;-)

Nice try. I'll take my chances in the threads of MM and online tutorials. I only invest money into equipment smile

Sep 20 09 06:25 am Link

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BostockImages

Posts: 1299

Brooklyn, New York, US

Click Hamilton wrote:
By alter ego photography, do you simply mean two characters in the same image played by the same person?

If so, I think the trick to make it interesting is to

*tell a story, make a message
*separate the characters of your model, make them interactive with each other, and interactive with the viewer.
*add some extra layers of complexity
*add some magic tricks or illusions to keep people guessing
*add an element of discovery
*intertwine the composition to confound simple logic

This is a bit ambiguous. I don't think I can properly execute this type of shoot with the information you've given me (alone).

I need more specific details

Sep 20 09 06:27 am Link

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Monito -- Alan

Posts: 16524

Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

HottShotz wrote:  I saw what was done and how it was done in the camera. I need further explanation.

Done all in camera?  I am very doubtful.  That I would like to see.  Please describe exactly what you saw of it being done, and we can start with that.

Sep 20 09 06:36 am Link

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jasonrphoto

Posts: 31

Detroit, Michigan, US

i watched that episode too. it appears he used an alien bees ring flash and no tripod. i think he used the ring flash to eliminate shadows and just adds back shadows in post processing. he also used body doubles for shots that included the alter egos touching each other. also have the background kinda simple so you can remove add whatever without too much trouble.


i think it's more in the planning of the shot. in photoshop i would think you would just put the images on separate layers and mask in/out what you want. i'd be interested in seeing your attempt at this concept. after the episode my gf wants to do this type of shot. so i'll be making an attempt also.

Sep 20 09 06:53 am Link

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WMcK

Posts: 5298

Glasgow, Scotland, United Kingdom

Twins?

Sep 20 09 07:12 am Link

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Reistroffer

Posts: 1679

Sioux Falls, South Dakota, US

Soft box right of the camera. - Possible reflector on the left as they are not completely black. - Fstop 4/5ish shooting a distance... back drop a ways back.



Cheers

Sep 20 09 08:15 am Link

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Sean Baker Photo

Posts: 8044

San Antonio, Texas, US

Two walkthroughs from Drew Gardner on the subject:

#1 IMO more elaborate, but a less detailed description of the steps involved.
#2 A very detailed look at the process.

Sep 20 09 08:18 am Link

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Richard Tallent

Posts: 7136

Beaumont, Texas, US

Use a tripod and a remote trigger.
Flag lights or use stand-ins to simulate shadows.
Minimize background detail.
Tape markers.
Be sure to get an empty-wall shot.

Sep 20 09 10:17 am Link

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BostockImages

Posts: 1299

Brooklyn, New York, US

Monito -- Alan wrote:

Done all in camera?  I am very doubtful.  That I would like to see.  Please describe exactly what you saw of it being done, and we can start with that.

I think you've misunderstood what I typed. I saw what was done in the camera [comma] but I need further explanation on this process.

Sep 20 09 11:46 am Link

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9stitches

Posts: 476

Los Angeles, California, US

Click Hamilton wrote:
By alter ego photography, do you simply mean two characters in the same image played by the same person?

If so, I think the trick to make it interesting is to

*tell a story, make a message
*separate the characters of your model, make them interactive with each other, and interactive with the viewer.
*add some extra layers of complexity
*add some magic tricks or illusions to keep people guessing
*add an element of discovery
*intertwine the composition to confound simple logic

Most important post in the thread.

Sep 21 09 12:04 pm Link