Sabrina Maree wrote:
Ugh, regardless of what "fashion" says, it makes me a little sick to see any of those women be called plus size. They all look fabulous to me.

But there's an assumption there that larger women don't look fabulous.  They do.

And I'm not talking about overweight or obese.

Sabrina Maree wrote:
Ugh, regardless of what "fashion" says, it makes me a little sick to see any of those women be called plus size. They all look fabulous to me.

so... what is wrong with the label plus size?

LADY SWEET FACE wrote:

so... what is wrong with the label plus size?

Exactly... people are taking the term to a whole different level.


Since when can't plus size and fabulous be synonymous?

Miss Fifi wrote:

Exactly... people are taking the term to a whole different level.


Since when can't plus size and fabulous be synonymous?

I know when I am dressed up i'm pretty damn fabulous

Miss Fifi wrote:
Since when can't plus size and fabulous be synonymous?

Look at those models, that is the reason I posted the link. They're plus size, by industry standards, and look amazing...

Miss Fifi wrote:
*sigh*


Is it really hard to understand that industry "plus-size" does not mean real world "plus-size". And, calling these women plus-models isn't saying they're fat... they are just above the norm of average fashion models.


I'm really not understanding the outrage.

C'mon, you're not really that surprised by this, are you? I mean, these days if your size 6 jeans are getting too tight on you, just go to the store and try on the size 4. You'll swim in 'em. And feel great about yourself as a result. Right?

La Seine by the Hudson wrote:

C'mon, you're not really that surprised by this, are you? I mean, these days if your size 6 jeans are getting too tight on you, just go to the store and try on the size 4. You'll swim in 'em. And feel great about yourself as a result. Right?

I personally find vanity sizing obnoxious and annoying as fuck when I go out to buy shit.

But, I still fail to see how people are not grasping the difference between industry "plus sized" and actual "plus size". It's like people are jumping on the "they aren't fat" bandwagon, when they have no clue what they're talking about.

Miss Fifi wrote:

I personally find vanity sizing obnoxious and annoying as fuck when I go out to buy shit.

But, I still fail to see how people are not grasping the difference between industry "plus sized" and actual "plus size". It's like people are jumping on the "they aren't fat" bandwagon, when they have no clue what they're talking about.

I really doubt that they're not intelligent enough to grasp the diference. As a whole, anyhow. It seems that they think there shouldn't be a difference. For the same reason that, even if they say vanity sizing is obnoxious, they seem to like it (because the sales figures ain't lying, unfortunately). At the same time, people don't buy stuff photographically represented by fat people. But they want fat models, just so they know they exist, and therefore...

You get the picture.

Miss Fifi wrote:

I personally find vanity sizing obnoxious and annoying as fuck when I go out to buy shit.

But, I still fail to see how people are not grasping the difference between industry "plus sized" and actual "plus size". It's like people are jumping on the "they aren't fat" bandwagon, when they have no clue what they're talking about.

plus size is just a bigger size.  It all stems from the fact that women accepted a single sizing point for dresses while men were able to insist on waist, inseam shoulders as a minimum for suits
so someone 5'10" with an A cup will need "this" much fabric.  someone 5'4" with a D cup will need almost the same.  someone 5'1" and grossly overweight might need the same size (whatever it  turns out to be.  The fabric has to drape over everything to fit. Its not the person they are talking about.  It's the amount of fabric thats plus.

Jessyka Ann wrote:

you cant convince me that those women are plus size...Im sorry but I dont see it.

'Plus size' is not your opinion, and it's not fat - it's an industry standard. Those models fit the industry standards for plus sized models.

Miss Fifi wrote:

I personally find vanity sizing obnoxious and annoying as fuck when I go out to buy shit.

But, I still fail to see how people are not grasping the difference between industry "plus sized" and actual "plus size". It's like people are jumping on the "they aren't fat" bandwagon, when they have no clue what they're talking about.

+1, on both accounts.

Vanity sizing is utter bullshit - you're still the same size, just a different number!

And yes...the modeling world isn't the 'real world' as far as sizing is concerned (and a lot of other things....). Why the hell should it be?

LADY SWEET FACE wrote:
I know when I am dressed up i'm pretty damn fabulous

  How youuuu doing!

LADY SWEET FACE wrote:
Plus Model Mag's Nude Model version

http://www.plusmodelmag.com/General/plu … 196&page=0 (wee bit crack)

I was discussing this on twitter yesterday. I like glamour's version a lot better.

Also why did plus model mag wait 'till glamour did it first?

Jessyka Ann wrote:

they dont look sizes 10-16 though, they look like your average skinny healthy girl

Most of the models shown are a size 12 or 14

LADY SWEET FACE wrote:

I know when I am dressed up i'm pretty damn fabulous

hey my lil gnome buddy!!

LADY SWEET FACE wrote:

so... what is wrong with the label plus size?

Can I call super skinny models negative size?

Do I get to be normal size since I'm in the middle?

Blah. Labels.

Sabrina Maree wrote:

Can I call super skinny models negative size?

Do I get to be normal size since I'm in the middle?

Blah. Labels.

We're not talking real life we're talking the modeling industry which is nowhere near real life. This is not a personal opinion it's industry standard.

Here this will tell you all about what a plus model is www.plusmodels.com

Dara_w wrote:
so, those are plus size fashion models and they're nude, right? cause those are clearly not regular plus size women that are nude.

Lol if they were plus size women that were nude they'd all by 5'4 and a size 14

Plus model Ari wrote:

We're not talking real life we're talking the modeling industry which is nowhere near real life. This is not a personal opinion it's industry standard.

Here this will tell you all about what a plus model is www.plusmodels.com

Why doesn't the industry have labels for other types of models?
I'm calling fashion models negative size from now on. Especially with vanity sizing, that shouldn't be offensive, right?

Except it is offensive. Because something happens doesn't mean you just accept it.

I googled some of those women... at least one is a size 6. Six! Since when is that plus size by any standard.

Sabrina Maree wrote:

Why doesn't the industry have labels for other types of models?
I'm calling fashion models negative size from now on. Especially with vanity sizing, that shouldn't be offensive, right?

Except it is offensive. Because something happens doesn't mean you just accept it.

I googled some of those women... at least one is a size 6. Six! Since when is that plus size by any standard.

Actually they do have labels for other kinds of model. There are standards and requirements for fashion, urban, fitness models etc.

What exactly is offensive about it anyway? Plus size is just a word to describe a certain kind of person or model nothing more. All it really means is larger size.

Size 6 is on the small end of plus modeling but you need to realize this is the modeling world since when did any of it's standards reflect reality?

Jakki Browne wrote:
In real life I consider myself average. In modeling I'm plus. But I've submitted for plus jobs and been told I'm too thin. The gray area seems to be people who are size 8-11.

Right, even though 6-11 is still considered plus it still harder for them to get work. It all depends on what the clients want.

Sabrina Maree wrote:
It's interesting that a lot of those women used to be much, much thinner. Fashion models in some cases, just normal in others.

From the article...
Of the men questioned, a U.S.-size 10 was picked as their ideal body for women. The women polled cited their ideal as a size 6, with the national average a size 12.

Interesting. I've had men of all races tell me I'm the perfect size (10). I want to lose 20lbs! My hips make me cry.

Jakki Browne wrote:
Interesting. I've had men of all races tell me I'm the perfect size (10). I want to lose 20lbs! My hips make me cry.

Since I've gained a little weight (from a size 0/2 to a 4, other than boobs, obviously) I get a lot more attention from guys too... it drives me up the wahzoo, but they really seem to like it.
Too bad it's about me. lol.

PS I'm shorter so I assume a size 4 is like a size 6-8 for a taller woman. Seems little when I write it down but it really is bigger! lol

Sabrina Maree wrote:
It's interesting that a lot of those women used to be much, much thinner. Fashion models in some cases, just normal in others.

From the article...
Of the men questioned, a U.S.-size 10 was picked as their ideal body for women. The women polled cited their ideal as a size 6, with the national average a size 12.

I thought the national average was a size 14 now

Plus model Ari wrote:

I thought the national average was a size 14 now

Not according to the magazine. I think a size 14 was reported a few years ago. Perhaps women are getting smaller.

Gil Lang wrote:
I think for many,+ size = this:

http://www.leonardnimoyphotography.com/7body.htm

Yes, that's plus size. The women in the Glamour photo are real size women...curves. They are gorgeous.

Jakki Browne wrote:

Interesting. I've had men of all races tell me I'm the perfect size (10). I want to lose 20lbs! My hips make me cry.

You are just fine the way you are..gorgeous. I have hips too.

Sabrina Maree wrote:

Since I've gained a little weight (from a size 0/2 to a 4, other than boobs, obviously) I get a lot more attention from guys too... it drives me up the wahzoo, but they really seem to like it.
Too bad it's about me. lol.

PS I'm shorter so I assume a size 4 is like a size 6-8 for a taller woman. Seems little when I write it down but it really is bigger! lol

I like a woman who isn’t just skin and bones. So now that I know you have curves, I've decided I'll go out with you

Jessyka Ann wrote:
I dont see 'plus sized' girls. I see skinny girls. why are they considered plus size?

Im horrified that THATS considered plus sized..

Well, they aren't what I would call "skinny". But "plus" does not mean all "plus sizes". They have their own set of requirements in terms of proportions- between 5'8'' and 6'0'', typically sizes 10-16 (I think), and toned, with no more than 10 inches in between their bust, waist, and hip measurements. Again, this does not make them "big". Sheesh...

joeyk wrote:
http://www.stylelist.com/blog/2009/10/02/glamour-naked-plus-sized-models-scarlett-johansson/?icid=main|main|dl2|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.stylelist.com%2Fblog%2F2009%2F10%2F02%2Fglamour-naked-plus-sized-models-scarlett-johansson%2F

Hell Yea!

pretty pretty

Sabrina Maree wrote:

Not according to the magazine. I think a size 14 was reported a few years ago. Perhaps women are getting smaller.

No...just more vanity sizing. Size 14 was average in the 50's too...but it was quite a few inches smaller than today's size 14.