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I know nothing about makeup. Whats the difference between concealer and foundation? Jul 18 05 09:53 am Link Concealer covers or "conceals" a blemish or dark area of skin. It is applied where needed. Foundation is the foundation. It is applied to the entire face and is the base over which all other colors are applied. Jul 18 05 09:58 am Link I dont know makeup but foundation i think you can put makeup over it. Concealer i think is for hiding blemish's. The concealer is thicker and more for cheeks, forehead, neck areas i think. Foundation is more for around the eyes, cheekbones? I dont know but its my guess anyways. Hell they both could be for fixing your driveway. Jul 18 05 09:58 am Link I love how the guys answer this one. Thats basically what I thought. I would also assume that you apply foundation first and then concealer if you need it. Any women out there want to confirm that for me? Jul 18 05 10:51 am Link first you even you your skintone with concealer. then you cover that with your foundation. to seal it, use translucent loose powder. then you apply a powder blush. (if using a cream blush apply it before the loose powder) after all this is completed, then do eyes and lips. hope this helps. xoxo -denise Jul 18 05 02:11 pm Link I do it the other way around. Foundation first, then concealer where you need it. Then powder, etc. Most makeup books I've read say this is the preferable way. Jul 18 05 02:15 pm Link I do concealer first, foundation second, if needed. Anyway, concealer has more pigment and used for more coverage; blemishes, discoloration, tattoos( if they need to be covered). Foundation is used to even out the overall skintone. I like to do the concealer first because I usually don't use too much foundation if I don't have to. Also, comcealer is used to cover up undereye circles, or at least diminish them. I typically use a different shade than the overall concealer. It depends. I think I just restated everything everyone else said... Jul 18 05 08:24 pm Link Posted by Tracey Masterson: I've seen most MUAs apply it in the order Tracey listed. Jul 18 05 09:02 pm Link This is more of a question than a comment, but it goes along with the original question. What is the difference between the way you do your everyday make up and the way you do your make up for a shoot? Many websites I've seen say to wear heavier make up when having pictures made. (This question is on the assumption you are doing your own make up, with a MUA not available) Jul 19 05 06:16 pm Link Posted by trinaconner: Simple...for photoshoots I actually wear makeup. Jul 19 05 06:24 pm Link If I need concealer, I put it on first, and then foundation if I am going to wear it. Generally for photos I do wear foundation. How heavy the make up is depends on the kind of shoot it is. Just be careful to know how your foundation looks in a photo and make sure it's well blended so you don't get that stark orange face look. :p Jul 19 05 06:59 pm Link I'm a photographer who actually took makeup classes. What's often called a concealer with professional makeup is called a neutralizer, and it goes on before the foundation. If there are red areas like zits or whatever, the red neutralizer is kind of a mustard green-yellow. For blue, such as under-eye bluishness or tattoos, The neutralizer is kind of orange-ish. Neutralizer is done first, just to correct for discolorations. Then foundation goes over it to match and even out the overall skintone. If you were to put foundation on first, then neutralizers on top of it, you'd be risking having orange or mustard colors showing up on film. Especially if your foundation flouresces at all under the flash or other UV in the light source, you'd have all kinds of strange spots showing up from that makeup method in the photos. Jul 20 05 04:30 pm Link The main thing to worry about when dealing with concealer or foundation is applying too much. You want a nice round, but small enough to get into the curves on your face brush to apply foundation. You also want to make certain that if there's lots of loose powder on the brush to dust it off. Same thing for concealer, if you're using the liquid kind and there's tons of pigment on your fingers (fingers are best for blending product), then blot until you have a light amount and then spread. If you need more, do more applications, just don't use lots of product in one sitting. Edit: The difference between day-to-day make-up for me, and shoot make-up is a) I actually wear some (I wear no make-up to work most of the time, & b) that I wear more. I normally don't spend the time to do full make-up even when I do were it outside of modeling (the hour spend doing it is just too much time), and if I'm doing something that requires special make-up (like certain colors to show up), then I have to put it on heavy otherwise it won't show on camera for me. (Atleast, that's what always happens to me.) Jul 20 05 11:13 pm Link glamour aside, there should be no need for more than a little eye and lip coloring, any blemishes can just be cloned away. please stop hiding behind it and falsifying the imagery. the lighting can be adjusted accordingly. Jul 21 05 12:35 am Link Posted by PhotographerMV: Wow. You have no idea what you're talking about. Jul 21 05 12:40 am Link Posted by trinaconner: Match the foundation to your skin tone. Always. Jul 21 05 12:45 am Link Makeup is vital for many types of photography, since our eyes can perceive a much wider light sensitivity range than film or digital sensors. What that means is that we don't notice specular highlights caused by reflections in skin's natural oils when we look at people, but such highlights are obvious and ugly in photographs. Makeup diminishes these highlights. While the lighting CAN be adjusted accordingly, to do so is very limiting. Using makeup is much easier, effective, and aesthetically pleasing. Jul 21 05 12:54 am Link Besides, why would you "clone away" something in each shot rather than fixing it once with an MUA? If you need 30 shots from a session, you are going to clone the pimple 30 times. That's a waste of time. When he starts photographing models, he'll figure it out. Until then no more silly posts like that I hope. Jul 21 05 01:01 am Link Posted by PhotographerMV: Wow. That's pretty wrong in almost every way. Jul 21 05 01:01 am Link I usually just get "pancake" makeup and I can normally use it as both.Just apply it with a small brush for a concealer. Jul 21 05 01:11 am Link Is a pancake makeup like a dual coverage foundation (pressed powder that can be applied wet as well) or more like a cream to powder (turns to a matte finish as it dries) makeup? I've never tried true stage makeup, so I was very curious. Asia Rocks :-D Part of the fun of photography for me is getting to play with makeup for the shoot. And well applied makeup can totally change how a person looks (as can bad makeup). Jul 21 05 08:25 pm Link Thanks for the link XtremeArtists. Very helpful. I always enjoy reading your posts on the forums. Jul 21 05 08:42 pm Link As a makeup artist I'm laughing at some of the BIG misconceptions I am reading here. Please visit www.CurvyTrends.com. I believe I have the entire professional makeup procedure posted for the public to see. This is what your taught when getting certified. Concealer---(undereye, blemish, etc). Foundation----(the base to hold the rest of the makeup on throughout the day/event) If your confused, please visit that website and the procedure is on the page I dedicated to a very experienced makeup artist/ image consultant dear friend of mine. Hope that will clear some misconceptions up. Veronica Jul 21 05 09:10 pm Link Ok I will just post it here.........You'll realize that professional makeup application does have a procedure involved....... PROFESSIONAL MAKEUP APPLICATION TIPS · Use the best brushes you can afford. With proper care, they will last you a lifetime, and your makeup will look flawless! · Before applying any makeup, cleanse the face thoroughly and apply moisturizer · Let the moisturizer absorb into the skin. Then apply foundation with a wedge-shape sponge for smoother application. If you are âafter 40â?, use âlight-reflectingâ? or âage-defyingâ? foundation · After applying foundation, check your face for blemishes and under-eye circles to see what was not covered by foundation. Use CONCEALER WHEEL to cover blemishes. Use special under-eye concealer for dark circles. Do NOT use your fingers. Use special TAKLON concealer brush, which is washable and allows for flawless application. · Apply powder. Without setting your foundation with powder, your makeup will fade in a few hours! Use large POWDER BRUSH and TRANSLUCENT POWDER. · Apply highlighting and shading (if needed) with an ANGLED BRUSH. · Shape your eyebrows and fill them in with EYEBROW POWDER using special EYEBROW BRUSH (included in âBrush-on-Browâ? kits) · Apply LIQUID EYE SHADOW BASE to the entire eyelid. Smooth it out with TAKLON concealer brush you used for concealer. Eyeshadow base will prevent your eye shadows from creasing and will give them something to hold on to. · Apply base color, which should be a neutral, flesh-tone color, to the entire eyelid using EYESHADOW BRUSH. · Apply powder eye shadow colors according to desirable design. Shape and sculpt your eyes by putting darker shades into the crease of the upper eyelid, and applying highlights above the iris of your eye and under the brow bone. · Apply CAKE EYELINER with the wet EYELINER BRUSH on the upper lid along the eyelashes. Apply same eyeliner with dry brush on the lower lid right below the lash line. Always emphasize outer corners of the eye! · Curl your lashes using HEATED EYELASH CURLER , which doesnât pull out your lashes as opposed to old-fashioned curlers · Apply mascara. (If you are messy with mascara, reverse the routine: apply mascara first, clean all smudges, then apply eye shadow base eye shadows and eye liner). · Apply blush on the apples of your cheeks, then blend the color out. Use special BLUSHER BRUSH for maximum precision. · Apply pencil LIP LINER. âPencil inâ? the line, so the lipstick will hold longer. · Apply lipstick using LIP BRUSH, blot with a tissue, then re-apply lipstick for longer wear. You can reverse the procedure and apply lipstick first, finishing with lip liner. LIP LINER is essential, it will make your lipstick stay put and prevent it from âbleedingâ? into tiny vertical lines around your lips · LIP GLOSS: can be applied, if desired, but on the middle of the lip, without touching lip liner. LIP GLOSS looks great, but tends to melt the lipstick and lip liner. · For photo portrait, your makeup should be more intense, because photo tends to âflattenâ? the features. Use a lot of powder to prevent shine and freshen-up your makeup frequently during the shoot. For the rest of this article and purchasing information of any of the items listed, please visit www.curvytrends.com and click the first page of the site. Veronica Jul 21 05 09:16 pm Link Oh my. Jul 22 05 09:45 am Link That reads more like an ad than good advice. Jul 22 05 09:48 am Link Posted by trinaconner: There's one in every crowd... Jul 22 05 09:58 am Link This place sure is entertaining. Jul 22 05 11:24 am Link oh and talk about great sites with makeup advice www.camerareadycosmetics.com ....well, ok, really no advice but a great opportunity to place a gratuitous ad  Jul 22 05 11:30 am Link Posted by theda: Sweetheart do you ALWAYS have to have condescending responses everywhere I post?? Whats your problem? Do you try to be rude or is it natural? Get off your high horse. Jul 22 05 11:44 am Link Posted by Veronica121679: Posted by theda: Sweetheart do you ALWAYS have to have condescending responses everywhere I post?? Whats your problem? Do you try to be rude or is it natural? Get off your high horse. Veronica, you're my kind of lady! Some people let a little moderator status go their heads. Jul 22 05 12:00 pm Link Posted by Herb Way: Because I wasn't blunt before I was a moderator? Jul 22 05 12:51 pm Link Posted by theda: Posted by Herb Way: Because I wasn't blunt before I was a moderator? well, I prefer not to take sides but I have been saying this for years and so I will repeat it again here.... makeup schools, classes, workshops etc are rarely worth a dime and certification means ZERO. The problem is....most people teaching classes and workshops never made it in this business. Jul 22 05 01:24 pm Link I looked at the following advice and inserted my thoughts after each bullet. Ok I will just post it here.........You'll realize that professional makeup application does have a procedure involved....... PROFESSIONAL MAKEUP APPLICATION TIPS · Use the best brushes you can afford. With proper care, they will last you a lifetime, and your makeup will look flawless! Yes, good brushes are important.....they will not give you flawless application without an expert behind them · Before applying any makeup, cleanse the face thoroughly and apply moisturizer Thats good advice · Let the moisturizer absorb into the skin. Then apply foundation with a wedge-shape sponge for smoother application. If you are âafter 40â?, use âlight-reflectingâ? or âage-defyingâ? foundation No, do not use light reflecting foundation for photography or you will get the look you see here http://www.curvytrends.com/wst_page3.php light reflection makes the makeup appear pasty in photography. · After applying foundation, check your face for blemishes and under-eye circles to see what was not covered by foundation. Use CONCEALER WHEEL to cover blemishes. Use special under-eye concealer for dark circles. Do NOT use your fingers. Use special TAKLON concealer brush, which is washable and allows for flawless application. Not the way I do it. I apply foundation then neutralizers over the foundation. A real good foundation will cover well enough, you will rarely need an extra product to conceal...not if the foundation is a good one. Some good artists do use concealers and some apply it first, whatever works is fine. · Apply powder. Without setting your foundation with powder, your makeup will fade in a few hours! Use large POWDER BRUSH and TRANSLUCENT POWDER. The correct foundation will not fade for at least 8 hours, powder however is still a good idea so you wont look like a oil slick. · Apply highlighting and shading (if needed) with an ANGLED BRUSH. Ok, no issue here. · Shape your eyebrows and fill them in with EYEBROW POWDER using special EYEBROW BRUSH (included in âBrush-on-Browâ? kits) Thats ok advice · Apply LIQUID EYE SHADOW BASE to the entire eyelid. Smooth it out with TAKLON concealer brush you used for concealer. Eyeshadow base will prevent your eye shadows from creasing and will give them something to hold on to. The newer better quality shadows do not crease but I have no problem with using base · Apply base color, which should be a neutral, flesh-tone color, to the entire eyelid using EYESHADOW BRUSH. Why cover a flesh color with a flesh color? · Apply powder eye shadow colors according to desirable design. Shape and sculpt your eyes by putting darker shades into the crease of the upper eyelid, and applying highlights above the iris of your eye and under the brow bone. this is right out of the 80's. not done any longer. · Apply CAKE EYELINER with the wet EYELINER BRUSH on the upper lid along the eyelashes. Apply same eyeliner with dry brush on the lower lid right below the lash line. Always emphasize outer corners of the eye! nothing right about this. All eyes are different so it may be true for a few eye shapes but not many · Curl your lashes using HEATED EYELASH CURLER , which doesnât pull out your lashes as opposed to old-fashioned curlers good advice! · Apply mascara. (If you are messy with mascara, reverse the routine: apply mascara first, clean all smudges, then apply eye shadow base eye shadows and eye liner). this is fine. · Apply blush on the apples of your cheeks, then blend the color out. Use special BLUSHER BRUSH for maximum precision. this again is assuming all faces are alike, your application depends on face shape · Apply pencil LIP LINER. âPencil inâ? the line, so the lipstick will hold longer. 80's advice. I rarely use lip liner · Apply lipstick using LIP BRUSH, blot with a tissue, then re-apply lipstick for longer wear. You can reverse the procedure and apply lipstick first, finishing with lip liner. LIP LINER is essential, it will make your lipstick stay put and prevent it from âbleedingâ? into tiny vertical lines around your lips Again, right out of an 80'2 hand book · LIP GLOSS: can be applied, if desired, but on the middle of the lip, without touching lip liner. LIP GLOSS looks great, but tends to melt the lipstick and lip liner. Well, not if you are not using liner · For photo portrait, your makeup should be more intense, because photo tends to âflattenâ? the features. Use a lot of powder to prevent shine and freshen-up your makeup frequently during the shoot. again, right out of the 80's...with the advance of technology in photography this is no longer true. For the rest of this article and purchasing information of any of the items listed, please visit www.curvytrends.com and click the first page of the site. Veronica Jul 22 05 01:40 pm Link Thank you. Jul 22 05 01:47 pm Link I usually don't use two different makeups when I have to cover up blemishes. I use Dermablend. It's about 50 bucks an ounce and works as a concealer and foundation in one, also comes with the translucent powder. Dragqueens use it to cover their stubble on their face sometimes, which is where I learned it from. It also covers tattoos very well without caking makeup on your skin. I wear a little foundation, eyeliner, gloss, and mascara on an every day basis unless I'm going out. If I'm doing a shoot I usually do what the photographer wants, sometimes they want a natural look and sometimes they want a made up look. They usually don't mind telling you how they want your makeup. I usually just make sure I've defined my eyes for shooting, eyebrows, lip lines, etc..... Jul 22 05 01:50 pm Link Posted by Mary: A million thanks for taking the time and effort of breaking down a very general professional makeup procedure. Of course everyone is different!!! On top of these basic procedures, like the one I posted (as a guideline) we received worksheets showing all face shapes, lip shapes eye shapes and the individual procedures for how to apply makeup to each situation. It was a very extensive program and to say it means ZERO, simply is your opinion. I agree to disagree, so be it. I don't know where YOU are, but in NJ you have to be certified to practice makeup legally, as far as I have been taught, and be licensed to perform facials, do eyebrow waxing, nails and things of that nature. Maybe I'll call Irina and get the specifics, since certain people here are hanging on every word I type........ Jul 22 05 02:20 pm Link You have stuff for sale on the site, so it may not seem selfless to outsiders. Non profit organizations pay salaries to employees, by the way. Jul 22 05 02:27 pm Link Ok while on the subject of foundation... Does anyone know of a good foundation for body? ie. to use on scars, blemishes, red areas etc. Jul 22 05 02:33 pm Link Makayla, Again, Dermablend is the best for that type stuff. Mac is also a good brand if done right, but can leave a cakey look to it. both are very expensive but well worth the money. A little of dermablend goes a very long way, so although it's 50 dollars an ounce here in TN, it will last a while. Jul 22 05 02:37 pm Link |
