Posted by Ariane G: 
Lapis,
I couldnt have said it better.

From my point of view, the shoots I've done for pure Art have been the BEST photos!  When there is no time limit, or money pressure involved, the creativity flows. Getting paid $$$ sure is nice, but it can make a newbie lazy thinking its always gonna be like this. When you are not getting paid money, I think it makes a person work harder cuz you realize the value of your time more and you put more into the photos.

Altho they dont realize doing TFP is getting paid but in a different way. You ARE receiving prints/CD in exchange for your time.  And this is essential in building a portfolio and growing as an Artist.

Spoken like a true artist, which the vast majority of these newbie wannabe's and (even many of the experienced models) definitely are not.

Many newbies willing to do glamour and nudes have been badly spoiled by horny, lecherous GWC's.  I'm not a GWC, and I don't pay models.  I shoot nudes all the time on a strictly TFCD basis.  When I reach out to a prospective model, she gets to look at my work and decide if she wants to include what I do in her book.  If we agree on terms, we work together, if not, we don't.  NEXT!!!  Thank God working with models is not the photography that pays the bills for me.  I can just walk away whenever it's not fun.   ;-)

Posted by angelavasquez: 
I couldnt agree with u more. You need experience under your belt, to demand pay. I have some experience but im no professional model to where I can demand such a rate as that. I dont demand anything. Demands wont get you nowhere in this business.

There are a lot of post bashing new models that are wanting paid work. 

I hire models to do fine art nude shoots. Not porn, but art print that can be sold to collectors and galleries.

I use to do TFP shoots, but I found that I made more money by paying the models, and spending more time in the darkroom, and getting print orders out. 

My choice model is a young woman between the ages of eighteen and twenty two, that can get into a size eight dress,
or less.  I really do not care what she looks like, but I do want her to have a burning desire to be a model.

I had rather have a starting model, that has never worked with another photographer. This way I do not have to listen to what ass holes the other photographers have been, and have to break the bad posing habits she has developed, from working with them.

Most of the time I will ask the model back several times until I  get some great images, for me to sell , and for her job getting needs.

Check me out. I sell on ebay under the seller ID ModelsModels

Over 1700 art nude print sold, since 2000,  and no bad feedbacks.  I am not trying to sell you anything, just to prove that I am not BSing  you.

Now I am not putting anyone down, model or photographer. I just think that every one should make some money for their efforts, and live on the sunny side of the street.

Excuse my grammer. I have just to been busy for the last forty nine years years, selling over 70,000 art prints and posters, to worry about grammer.

It would be a sad world with out women with dreams.