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So my 12 year old neice told me...
that her dream job is to be a MUA. Given that she is so young, are there some low level resources that I could get her to encourage her in this path? Magazine subscription? Book? Anything else? Her birthday is coming up in a couple months... Thanks in advance! Jul 16 10 01:09 pm Link Internos Photography wrote: make her a small kit Jul 16 10 01:11 pm Link Depends what she already has. Books by Kevyn Aucoin are a good bet. I was lucky enough to find my copies at a yard sale (true story - this particular yard sale also featured a big couch shaped like a pair of lips!), but I would have loved to have been gifted them when I was getting into makeup. Jul 16 10 01:12 pm Link There are tons of books on makeup, especially theater makeup, if that interests her. You could also get her some various makeup and disposable applicators. Jul 16 10 01:14 pm Link Get her an 88 eye shadow palette and an inexpensive brush set (and cleaner!) What a good uncle! Jul 16 10 01:17 pm Link I'd go as far as finding a local MUA and see about some hands on internship as well. You really never know what networks and paths open up by simply making an introduction. Even being a fly on the wall is a learning experience. Jul 16 10 01:19 pm Link LizW_Makeup wrote: Good to know, I'll keep an eye out for them. make-up by lizzie wrote: Any specific recommendations on brands that have good value? Divinity Photography wrote: I know she is interested in theater, so I'll look into that and also the disposable applicators, thanks! Jul 16 10 01:31 pm Link Theatrical makeup is really good quality and super inexpensive: Ben Nye, Kryolan, Graftobian... They all have bright colors that are super pigmented and inexpensive. If you goto a theater supply company, you can order from them. Brushes are probably more important than that - get her an inexpensive set of brushes: EcoTools or Sonia Kashuk from Target are really good values. I second the Kevyn Aucoin books - goto half.com or some other discounter and you can sometimes find books for $5 + shipping in practically new shape. Also, Bobbi Brown's books are a good place to start. There's a Teenage beauty book but if you want to gear her toward Make-Up Artistry, I've heard good things about the Beauty Manual or some such title. Hope this helps!! Jul 16 10 02:02 pm Link Sheila Northcutt wrote: +1 Jul 16 10 03:32 pm Link My inclination is to get her into an artist type school for lessons - summer school, local community center, etc... individual painting lessons with an accomplished artist - to see if she enjoys ART and has a talent - to encourage her talent if so - and so on. Encourage art in all forms - that is the best advice that I have. Makeup artistry comes from the love of art in so many forms. Nourish this creativity and it will open up her world. Jul 16 10 04:39 pm Link Get her used to thinking laterally... the more Painting and Art (color theory) she gets, the broader her "vision". Although you've focusing on makeup.... I'd advise something like the Wolfe FX appetizer palette ($30-ish for 12 colors). EXCELLENT introduction to body paint and "extreme" beauty looks. Jul 16 10 05:22 pm Link i was the same way. get her any Kevyn Aucoin book. they are great gifts too because they are large books and the pictures are amazing. gives step by step instructions. this was my first one. http://www.amazon.com/Making-Faces-Kevy … 0316286850 Jul 16 10 05:24 pm Link +you can get her a bunch of E.L.F. cosmetics, they are super cheap. Jul 16 10 05:25 pm Link Get her a 120 palette and some eco tools brushes so she can have lots of freedom to experiment Jul 16 10 05:57 pm Link make-up by lizzie wrote: +1 coastal scents is having a 50% off sale today only! Jul 16 10 06:44 pm Link make-up by lizzie wrote: that would be an awsome gift @12 Jul 16 10 06:51 pm Link Well, those of you who know me, know what I am going to advise. First show her the movie, Capitalism, A Love Story, by Michael Moore. Then show her the movie, The Devil Wears Prada. Then explain to her that the fashion industry and film industries are run by by very fat, greedy pigs who dont care about her and never will. Explain to her how thousands of animals have been killed, tortured and maimed by cosmetics companies to make a profit. Explain the concept of a monopoly to her, how one percent of the US population controls 95 per cent of the wealth. Explain how even the founders of MAC cosmetics turned into greedy slimeballs and sold their company for 5 million dollars. Explain that their commitment to art was a complete lie and how they now bask in wealth and pay their employees a pittance. Describe to her how wealth corrupts the human spirit and that the sole purpose of makeup artistry is to make rich fat greedy pigs even richer. Explain that how employees of Lauder, LOreal, Smashbox, Arden and other name brands are paid a mere 10 dollars an hour, even if they sell five thousand dollars worth of makeup a day. As she turns an ashen shade of white, describe how she could, instead, devote her life to helping those in need. Quote the bible to her, about how Jesus said that the meek shall inherit the earth. Explain to her that makeup is an art and if it is used for profit, how it becomes ugly. How it decimates women's self esteem, how it is used to manipulate teenagers until they become anorexic, how no woman is never beautiful enough or worth enough, how they make women feel inadequate just to make a fortune from her plummeting self esteem. And how they twist the concept of empowerment to make women believe that when they buy these products, they are becoming stronger. Instead, advise her to learn about international development and charity and how to go to places in the world ravaged by pain and misery and really make a difference. Just my thoughts. And a book by Kevin Aucoin, to show her that the art form, in itself is pure and is not evil just because so many people abuse it to make themselves rich at the expense of others. Jul 16 10 10:40 pm Link DavisWebb wrote: Extremely off topic, but I'll reply since I have gratefully already received the help I requested. Jul 17 10 01:22 am Link DavisWebb wrote: Seriously, Davis? Jul 17 10 01:51 am Link Start taking her to shoots. Best and simple.  Jul 17 10 02:12 am Link Get her Kevin Aucoin book, brush set and 120 eyeshadow palette on Ebay http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid … Categories Jul 17 10 04:24 am Link The purpose of any career is to make money. Without money, we can't eat or put a roof over our heads. The beauty of a capitalist system is that any one of us has the opportunity to be as successful and as wealthy as our abilities will let us. I can't think of one career path, medicine and religion included, that has not been corrupted by wrong doings and greed. And a socialist system is no more honest than a capitalistic one, at least with capitalism, we all have an equal chance to commit the greed and wrong doing and obtain wealth. All we can really do is follow our hearts and try to make our little corners of the world the best they can be. And if all that means I made someone's day better because my makeup artistry made them feel beautiful, well there's a lot more harm that I could do in the world. I'm sorry that you were frustrated with your makeup career, Davis. But I don't really think that capitalism or the unethical treatment of animals really has much to do with how successful or unsuccessful any of us turn out. Back on topic...OP if your neice really seems to run with the great suggestions that were made here, I would talk to her and her parents about possibly enrolling in a cosmetology tech school program. That way she can have a good foundation in the basics (knowing how to do hair and nails is not going to hurt any makeup artist) in a safe environment (after all, you have to go to high school anyway!) and she'd be able to hit the ground running that much sooner. Jul 17 10 03:03 pm Link Internos Photography wrote: Hahahahah you are amazing. Jul 17 10 03:22 pm Link DavisWebb wrote: After that, show her Gods & Monsters. I always felt that film was underrated. I mean, Brendan Frasier really has more range than his critics give him credit for. Plus, how can you go wrong with any movie featuring Sir Ian McKellen? DavisWebb wrote: Fortunately, if she fails to build a marketable portfolio, she'll never have to worry about the corrupting nature of wealth. DavisWebb wrote: I'm pretty sure he also said something about how the meek ought to haunt internet forums pontificating. DavisWebb wrote: This just in: makeup causes anorexia, somehow. I learn something new in Soapbox everyday! Jul 17 10 04:39 pm Link http://www.coastalscents.com/cfwebstore/index.cfm Coastal scents, cheap cheap cheap!! They got pretty good reviews I think on Makeupalley.com, especially good if it's used with a primer. I would tell her to look on the internet to find tutorials for looks she wants to try, at 12, she can still experiment and see if she really likes it. Also, take basic art classes. Jul 17 10 05:08 pm Link Let me say this as well - although Coastal Scents and the 188 palettes are cheap, they do not reflect the texture, pigment or quality that she will need to be able to ascertain when doing makeup on skin. It just doesnt move, hold or work the same way. If you want her to paint, my original idea of classes of art, painting, drawing etc. will help - or photography for that matter... always use the best you can afford in terms of makeup. It makes a difference in the outcome always. Jul 17 10 06:56 pm Link Plus find a willing victim er model, and do mini-shoots with her so she can see the results. Jul 17 10 07:12 pm Link My sister (also interested in makeup artistry) bought the book 'Makeup Manual' by Bobbi Brown the other day and said that the first half teaches makeup techniques and the second half talks about the getting into the industry, putting together a portfolio, etc. Jul 18 10 01:01 pm Link This may sound daft but some decent face paints could be an option as well-sillyfarm.com- coupled with a book that explains good hygiene (yes, you can face paint hygienically in the field, you just really have to think about it) and make-up techniques and when she's in high school she could be making some extra cash doing parties and markets and learning the bolder side of make-up as she goes- think Cirque Du Soliel rather than sloppy butterfly faces. I've found that a lot of transformative face painting give you a good idea of how to reshape the face, and contouring seems much less complex afterward  the book recommendations are good and I second the art classes- the best mua's in my book have a good grasp of techniques that are based in good art theory. Jul 18 10 06:51 pm Link On topic: great uncle! Books I've loved and would recommend for 12/13: Bobbi Brown Beauty (I got this at 13, great resource for a young one!) Kevin Aucoin - any! Alex Box - for beautiful images but not technique and if you want to splurge Make up Designory - Beauty Text Book - for technique And I (second, third) the drawing courses or painting, life drawing especially to get those shading skills and connection between makeup and art going. Off topic: I kind of love you Davis. I completely understand the dichotomy between beauty/women's self esteem vs. the industry it has turned into. And yes, I do think Fashion, art, beauty and media all all inter-related and can lead to eating disorders. That's not to say it's not a worth while industry or passion to have, of course. Jul 18 10 11:53 pm Link My wife's mom and step dad live on a nice farm and do well for themselves spending winters in Arizona and golfing carefree most of their days. They mentioned retiring and just moving to Arizona so we asked if they would then be passing the farm and house down to his sons? His reply was, " I might as well give them a rope to hang themselves with if I did that." I found it kind of funny coming from such a stuffy guy but the point is, why encourage such a thing when you could do the typical encourage going to be a doctor ,lawyer crap with MUA work to fall back on or do while going to college or something. If a little boy says he would love to be a garbage man because he likes to rummage and likes the blue uniform you don't send him down that path, you try to get him to aim higher,even though garbage men do make damn good money,LOL. Every 12-13 yr old girl likes make up because they finally get to start screwing with it as a coming of age. Not necessarily a career path. Jul 19 10 12:05 am Link LizW_Makeup wrote: Yes! The Kevin Aucoin make-up book is inspirational, with big photos, Jul 19 10 12:11 am Link Angelfactory wrote: Hmm- I think I detect some snobbery here, and the whisper of an insult- not everyone can be a doctor or lawyer, or wants to be one. My father is a lawyer and never had a problem with my career path, not everyone wants to spend their days in an office- I certainly didn't after seeing what it's really like. Besides, doing some art classes, reading some books and playing with some make-up aren't going to ruin her- she'll get to do all the preliminary work towards university (or college for people in countries that don't have universities) at school, why not let her explore something she's interested in? Jul 19 10 03:36 am Link Making Faces by Kevyn Aucoin (1997). I like this particular book the best out of the several Mr. Aucoin has authored. Nice photos, excellent text, very thorough. Bobbi Brown Makeup Manual by Bobbi Brown. Well organized and up-to-date (December 2008) with clear instructions. Well illustrated with color photos. This book also gives a bit of information about becoming a professional makeup artist with tips for makeup for photography, magazines, film and fashion shows. A Complete Guide to Special Effects Makeup: Conceptual Artwork by Japanese Makeup Artists by Tokyo SFX Makeup Workshop (2008). An excellent book with a wide variety of special makeup effects shown (prosthetics made from latex, gelatin, silicone, and cabo), creating accessories from metal, plastic, feathers and other materials. Lots of color photos. Primarily goth, cosplay and vampire themes. The book does have shortcomings. Many of the techniques shown are not explained in enough detail to recreate the look from the instructions provided (you'll have to consult other references). Some of the translations in the book are a bit odd. Jul 19 10 08:13 am Link |
