photomovement wrote:
Great concet of a story , over all cool ... some images have no sense to the story line some other can be refined better but over all great job .......

doesn't make sense, could be more refined. great job?... hmmm not sure how that makes sense.

you say great concept and some images don't fit. what do you think the concept is, and what doesn't fit?

oldguysrule wrote:

doesn't make sense, could be more refined. great job?... hmmm not sure how that makes sense.

you say great concept and some images don't fit. what do you think the concept is, and what doesn't fit?

your comments are too intelligent for me tonight.

I liked some of the photos though. I am personally enjoying the work of the photographers in my Kinky magazine edition #1 published in england. They are really doing fashion much more creatively over there right now. Anyone want to buy me a ticket to London?

photomovement wrote:
Did I raise an issue with my opinion ??

not at all. just hoping to understand what you see.

oldguysrule wrote:

not at all. just hoping to understand what you see.

R.
when I say great concept is that I like the conceptual  and art direction of this production, When I said  some don't make sense and could be more refine is that I don't feel that all have a flow with the intensity of the story line also if I say that the concept is great dosent mean that I feel that all the execution was dun to the fullest .... this is my personal opinion ...

photomovement wrote:
Did I raise an issue with my opinion ?? great concept is that I like the conceptual  of this production, some don't make sense and could be more refine is that I don't feel that all have a flow with the intensity as well as if the concept is great dosent mean that I feel that all the execution was dun to the fullest .... this is my personal opinion ...

okie dokie. i wish you would provide a deeper understandng, but that's your business.

my personal opinion is that most attempt to read WAY to much into fashion editorials, then attempt to look at the 'story' in a somewhat linear or literal manner. that was the reason for my inquiry. i'm always interested to hear how fashion editorials are viewed.

oldguysrule wrote:

okie dokie. i wish you would provide a deeper understandng, but that's your business.

my personal opinion is that most attempt to read WAY to much into fashion editorials, then attempt to look at the 'story' in a somewhat linear or literal manner. that was the reason for my inquiry. i'm always interested to hear how fashion editorials are viewed.

uh...look at the purty pictures? I won't tear apart my import magazines but give me a W and I will blast through it getting stuff for my scrapbook for ideas. Which reminds me, I am looking forward to purty pictures and prints from you oldguy.

oldguysrule wrote:

okie dokie. i wish you would provide a deeper understandng, but that's your business.

my personal opinion is that most attempt to read WAY to much into fashion editorials, then attempt to look at the 'story' in a somewhat linear or literal manner. that was the reason for my inquiry. i'm always interested to hear how fashion editorials are viewed.

well me personaly i am always looking at the deep layers of a story line and like to have that deep feel from the story , and when some images dont flow to me with the direction, it feels to me like a scratch in a record and jumps me from the initial feel i had .. but it is always an individual thing i belive

Christopher Bush wrote:

i think that is really secondary here - the main impact SHOULD be from considering who is doing the violence to those women.  if we have to show images of kittens and babies being slaughtered with nightsticks to get the point across that police states are not desirable, then do it.  stupid patriot act.

i tend to take things very politically.

I have to say that these images no matter how disturbing they may be we have the choice to look away or turn off the TV. What's REALLY disturbing to me is the reality of the situation. All of it. Terrorism is scary. The fact that our country has turned into a police state and that we are becoming a totalitarian dictatorship for the world is scary. And you can't just switch it off.

KM von Seidl wrote:
I liked the shots that were less posed.  The sniper shots ruin it for me.  Cheapens the powerful shots.

I like the boot to the throat shot, but honestly I would have preferred it more if she had her hand to her throat and was writhing for air.  A more realistic vs. pervy sexy portrayal.

Then it wouldn't have been a Meisel, for better or worse.

Marko Cecic-Karuzic wrote:

Then it wouldn't have been a Meisel, for better or worse.

These are all Meisel right?

Take out the Angelina tombraider sniper shots and you've got a more powerful set.  Certainly the shots with the blonde being squished onto the ground and her face against glass are powerful and done by Meisel.  I love the Abu Grabbass reference as well.  I just wish the whole set had the same intensity as the more powerful shots.

But in a day and age where many aren't even referencing this stuff, or only speaking in code, he deserves credit. (not that he doesn't get it normally!)

oldguysrule wrote:
my personal opinion is that most attempt to read WAY to much into fashion editorials, then attempt to look at the 'story' in a somewhat linear or literal manner. that was the reason for my inquiry. i'm always interested to hear how fashion editorials are viewed.

exactly. that's why i posted the series.

KM von Seidl wrote:
These are all Meisel right?

Take out the Angelina tombraider sniper shots and you've got a more powerful set.  Certainly the shots with the blonde being squished onto the ground and her face against glass are powerful and done by Meisel.  I love the Abu Grabbass reference as well.  I just wish the whole set had the same intensity as the more powerful shots.

But in a day and age where many aren't even referencing this stuff, or only speaking in code, he deserves credit. (not that he doesn't get it normally!)

What I meant was that the fashiony kitsch touch is both a powerful uniter of the editorial, and a major part of Meisel's voice. It's a major part of what makes his stuff read. And in my opinion it works best and strongest when he takes it outside the normal context of fashion (ie that Paparazzi editorial last spring, or esp the "kiddie porn" campaign for Calvin Klein several years ago). I'm not nearly as into fashiony kitsch as he is, and that's probably while he'll never be my favorite, but nevertheless when he's good, he's really good. He manages to hit on topics and subtexts in fashion and culture and yet they read "fashion" and belong in a fashion magazine. That's about as good as anybody can ever hope to do 9999 out of 10000 times, IMHO.

(I rather liked Christopher Bush's "Fashion Photographers Against Totalitarianism" quip... and I think that's kinda how it reads... in a glib, sarcastic sort of tone. It's something that's part of our zeitgeist and I'll say its even touched fashion very tangentially, and this is the first time I've seen anybody big say anything about that directly.)

I'll also re-iterate that this is a fashion editorial. And that's primarily how I feel it should be judged.

Ivy Bressler wrote:
I think that's why the model are "beautiful white." If this was being done to models/pretty white girls, wou't the middle clabe enrged, instead of iging it the way they do.

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I think this editorial had to be done using white women; its the only image that really  inflames people against a situation. If they were black, middle eastern, male, fat or ugly, no one would care. No one would think twice about it.

Unfortunate, but thats the world we live in.

Precisely my thoughts. If the victims in these shots had been stereotypical "terrorists" - the middle-American image of brown-skinned people in turbans - this piece would not have the shock value it does. Everything's worse when it's happening to pretty white girls...

I also think the "high fashion sniper" shots detract from the set. While I can kind of see their point - make fascism attractive and it becomes more acceptable? - they don't really fit with the rest of the images.