R A V E N D R I V E wrote:

the porn industry has a lower incidence of STDs (except herpes) than the general population, thanks to testing.... and CAL-OSHA

if you decide to shoot porn, then there might be sex

N/M: I guess I thought wrong.

R A V E N D R I V E wrote:

the porn industry has a lower incidence of STDs (except herpes) than the general population, thanks to testing.... and CAL-OSHA

if you decide to shoot porn, then there might be sex

Um..




I guess..

Implications Photo wrote:
Absolutely not. When I am photographing a woman she it the most beautiful woman in the world and nothing else matters. If someone feels differently they should not be in this business.

+1
I think the same.

Alec Dealty wrote:
I've worked with all types.. porn stars, escorts, dancers. The only thing that matters to me is if they get that "hard" look that some of them do after being in the business too long, or if they are in it but hate it, it just seems to affect their personality and it can be hard to get much emotional range out of them. And of course they occasionally they have to be reminded that I am NOT doing a porn shoot, and to tone down the poses they are doing. Otherwise it's all good, and I hardly would feel it is an issue (usually I figure it out in advance anyway).

One model I worked with, who is on this site, admitted to me during the shoot that she got busted for pimping! lol. I looked up her real name and found out she was a registered sex offender. Apparently some of the girls she pimped were not quite of legal age. That piece of information contributed to me not ever working with her again, just because it was a little too far for my taste. But I certainly wouldn't do anything to hurt her.

I can tell you have worked with all types-and I have also-just by that statement.

Unfortunately that hardness comes from so many circles. Now, there's even those who have had only amateur shoots and yet who talk and behave rough because of how those went when they work commercially. I've created a screening process for so much-including that "world weary" state of being, just because it's a deadness that shows only too clearly in images.

Davian J wrote:
If you find out before, after, during a photoshoot that a model has or does porn, does that change your attitude toward them?

Usually the problem don't came from the photographer (at least i'm very open mind and most others are as me) but from the client.
So for personal project from themself, this don't matter, but if was for some clients, the situation can became a lot different.
So is a type of information that should be known on advance.

Davian J wrote:
He threaten to do some very unprofessional things...

Usually, at least on modern Country, depending on what is have on its mind, certain unprofessional behaviours may even have consequences under penal law.

Fred Greissing wrote:
While your "friend" was out of line it is also irresponsible for a model that does porn to not let a photographer know.
It can be very damaging for a client if a model that represents their products does porn and her images are all over the internet.
While I do not like to make judgments regarding these kind of things unfortunately in the real world they have their repercussions.

Only if he HAS clients.. It looks to me he paid out of pocket..

It's the photographers' job to protect himself from issues like that.. Google is free every day..

H3D PHOTOGRAPHER wrote:
Never had any issue with commercial clients; in fact most commercial clients love the shots ... but with that being said, I don't want to be known for shooting Porn Stars in the commercial sector I work in.

How about a situation where you hire a model for a shoot with a client and after the fact the client discovers that the model shoots a lot of porn.

Davian J wrote:
If you find out before, after, during a photoshoot that a model has or does porn, does that change your attitude toward them?

Yes. I call them back for a different type of shoot next time.

Nedah Oyin wrote:

Only if he HAS clients.. It looks to me he paid out of pocket..

It's the photographers' job to protect himself from issues like that.. Google is free every day..

So do you think it's just fine for a model not to be upfront about shooting porn?

H3D PHOTOGRAPHER wrote:
As far as would I shoot a model that has shot porn? I've shot only one...

and i'm sure she'll love you for letting the rest of the world know...

when did this place turn into freeones? haha

K Photographic Dreams wrote:

Unfortunately that hardness comes from so many circles. Now, there's even those who have had only amateur shoots and yet who talk and behave rough because of how those went when they work commercially. I've created a screening process for so much-including that "world weary" state of being, just because it's a deadness that shows only too clearly in images.

Working in the porn biz does seem to do something to people.  Although he has a job that most guys would envy, when was the last time you saw a picture of Ron Jeremy smiling?

He no longer looks like the cheery dude he used to be.

Davian J wrote:
If you find out before, after, during a photoshoot that a model has or does porn, does that change your attitude toward them?

I was assisting an associate who hired a model for lingerie photoshoot.
After the shoot, we were going through the pictures and he want to show me how much better his pictures were {ego much} than the previous ones she had on MM. Anyway I noticed one of her pictures was tagged with a familiar pornsite name.

So we went to the site. After seeing her on the site, my buddy[and i use that word loosely] became very irate stating that he overpaid for what he got, started bitching about reluctant she was to that her top off, etc.
I told him, "You hire her for a lingerie shoot, not a porn shoot. She did what you hired her for."

He threaten to do some very unprofessional things that would possible hurt her career. i talked him down, but I'm i right for thinking he was wrong in his assumptions and attitude toward the model?

sounds like he was protesting too much.

maybe he had already pleasured himself via the site and was putting on a denial show for your benefit.


in any case he sounds like a twit.

R A V E N D R I V E wrote:
the porn industry has a lower incidence of STDs (except herpes) than the general population, thanks to testing.... and CAL-OSHA

if you decide to shoot porn, then there might be sex

Nedah Oyin wrote:
Um..




I guess..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_in_th … te_of_STDs

the AIM organization is now defunct but their practices are upheld in the front facing side of that industry

anyway my ambiguous point was: porn model = statistically less likely to contract STD from = even less reason to think less of the model like the OP's friend did. I don't think the OP's friend considered that since he did want to undress her

Davian J wrote:
He threaten to do some very unprofessional things that would possible hurt her career.

ROFL... what could he possibly do?  Spread rumors he saw her at a Tijuana Donkey Show? LOLL

Nephrite_Imagines wrote:
He's an ass.

+1

...'hole'


IMHO alone, as always;

~Danny
http://dbiphotography.co.cc
https://www.modelmayhem.com/1983551

Fred Greissing wrote:

So do you think it's just fine for a model not to be upfront about shooting porn?

Yes.. Would you like a model to also give you a full list of all the non-porn shoots she has done..? Once again.. Google is free.. If a photographer asks, that's one thing.. Otherwise it's none of their fucking business..

Davian J wrote:
If you find out before, after, during a photoshoot that a model has or does porn, does that change your attitude toward them?

I was assisting an associate who hired a model for lingerie photoshoot.
After the shoot, we were going through the pictures and he want to show me how much better his pictures were {ego much} than the previous ones she had on MM. Anyway I noticed one of her pictures was tagged with a familiar pornsite name.

So we went to the site. After seeing her on the site, my buddy[and i use that word loosely] became very irate stating that he overpaid for what he got, started bitching about reluctant she was to that her top off, etc.
I told him, "You hire her for a lingerie shoot, not a porn shoot. She did what you hired her for."

He threaten to do some very unprofessional things that would possible hurt her career. i talked him down, but I'm i right for thinking he was wrong in his assumptions and attitude toward the model?

He probably over-reacted with the threats, but it does depend on what sort of work he hired her for. 

Think of it this way.  What if he had hired this model to pose for some dresses for a nice chain of dress shops that are situated in small- to mid-sized towns with a family-based clientele (prom dresses, Sunday dresses, etc.).  And he shoots a major campaign for that chain with a porn star.  And someone recognizes the porn star, and there are negative repercussions for the chain, the ad agency (if there is one) and the photographer - all because the photographer didn't know what sort of work she did.  Their careers would all be hurt. 

I've also seen some models who do nudes not get hired for catalog and promotional work because the agency or client doesn't want to have a female employee claim there is sexual harassment or a hostile work environment. 

Lingerie might be different, but it all depends on what the shots were used for.

Fred Greissing wrote:

So do you think it's just fine for a model not to be upfront about shooting porn?

Most are actually.  I shot strippers when I asked about their normal profession they told me, so naturally its only courteous to ask for a lap dance   So I'm assuming with porn stars you ask.....

Top Level Studio wrote:
Working in the porn biz does seem to do something to people.  Although he has a job that most guys would envy, when was the last time you saw a picture of Ron Jeremy smiling?

He no longer looks like the cheery dude he used to be.

I've got to tell you-Ron Jeremy is a very happy guy. What you're talking about is the misery of this business we're in. One of my professors told me while in school to make sure I have my woman before I start building a name for myself, because the world will never seem the same again-and he was right.

Once you're "working" you become apart from the rest of the world. Even those you are in the same circles with want to connect as a business resource-not as friends.

I have my fiancee, my two closest friends of 26 years-never missed a holiday greeting-and my family. That's the rock.

That said, Ron Jeremy is a very happy person.


EDIT: If you ever get a chance to speak with him, the one thing he will tell you is about how-even then-he was paid so much more than guys are today.

In an industry where men are nothing-a penis if you got a really big one, otherwise nothing but a prop-he became a celebrity. He doesn't even do anything anymore and still gets paid five figures for a twenty minute guest spot on a show.

Talk to him if you get the chance.

R A V E N D R I V E wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_in_th … te_of_STDs

the AIM organization is now defunct but their practices are upheld in the front facing side of that industry

anyway my ambiguous point was: porn model = statistically less likely to contract STD from = even less reason to think less of the model like the OP's friend did. I don't think the OP's friend considered that

I'm aware of AIM.. I doubt the OP's friend cares about her status.. That wasn't the point..

JAE Photography PA wrote:
I really wouldn't care if a model did porn.  As long as they show up for the assignment and do a good job based around what we agreed upon that's all that matters.  Whatever else they do is none of my business.

The dude sounds like an ass.

+1 who cares what she does outside of the time frame she was hired for..

It amazes me the immaturity on these forums and the mindset of both.

Does he also know he can be sued for slander if he damages her in anyway because of this...

She showed up and did her job pay her and move along..

Phen Mas  wrote:
I can see how some commercial clients would not want a "porn star" to be the face of their company. With that said I have worked with a model recently who I knew was in porn under a different name, but it doesn't bother me. I also informed the mua ahead of time since it was a trade shoot, and she had no issues with it either.

- Phen

Sure - if the model is savvy enough not to be recognized in her porn-star persona when she does non-porn work, then more power to her.  Perhaps she should not have had her porn work in her portfolio even for lingerie?

Nephrite_Imagines wrote:
He's an ass.

+1000

Fred Greissing wrote:
So do you think it's just fine for a model not to be upfront about shooting porn?

Nedah Oyin wrote:
Yes.. Would you like a model to also give you a full list of all the non-porn shoots she has done..? Once again.. Google is free.. If a photographer asks, that's one thing.. Otherwise it's none of their fucking business..

Actually, its not uncommon for a model on a casting for a major company, to be asked if she's worked for that company's competition in the last few years (even if such shots are not in her portfolio - a new ad with her could just then be coming out). I did castings for Miller Beer when I shot for them and the client was at the castings and always asked. Obviously they don't want the same model endorsing both products, but unless they pay the model extra for exclusivity, there is no way to really enforce this or keep her from working for the competition later. This is one area where a sharp agent will be careful so as not to alienate the client. On the other hand, I did a poster for Lowenbrau in '95 and they specifically wanted to use the previous year's St Pauli Girl because they liked the idea of it looking like the SP girl switched brands. Unfortunately she had gained a bunch of weight and we had to re-shoot with another girl. (The client hadn't bothered to see her in person before flying her to LA).

Nedah Oyin wrote:

Yes.. Would you like a model to also give you a full list of all the non-porn shoots she has done..? Once again.. Google is free.. If a photographer asks, that's one thing.. Otherwise it's none of their fucking business..