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Is Facebook killing Model Mayhem.
A few years ago, if I placed a casting call on MM I would get more responses than I could handle. Now when I post a casting I hear crickets. On the other hand, almost every model, MUA and stylist I have worked with 'friends' me on Facebook. As a consequence when I post and tag images I get a further response from many of their friends both 'liking' the images and a cascade of friend requests. Now when I post a casting call on MM, I also post it on Facebook and FB is where I am getting my models; with the exception of the times I go directly to the agency and ask for them. Aug 03 12 11:51 pm Link Same here. Plus on FB I can get llamas that I cannot find on MM (biker types, executive types). The network is more active too. I can post on FB asking people to ask their friends. Aug 04 12 12:01 am Link How do you do a geographic search for model qualities on FB? Aug 04 12 12:04 am Link Well,I would definitely say that FB is more reliable than MM as far as reliability and not crashing every day Aug 04 12 12:07 am Link GRAF wrote: Yeah, but we are still making those original contacts via MM and THEN we go to FB. Aug 04 12 12:15 am Link DougBPhoto wrote: If that is the case, why is it becoming so difficult to get a casting response on MM? Aug 04 12 12:22 am Link FB is a problem for posting certain types of images and the compression algorithms is really hacking quality images. As far as friends go, messages, FB is very quick. Although I still like MM for PM as I get an email. When I started MM was perfect for me, making my way into areas like nudes or non agency models, non agency MU. I've met many MM people wherever I go and that too is special. FB is fast and furious. I even have haters stalking me..... Yet when you post on FB you get 100 likes in a few hours whereas MM it takes weeks to get 100 comments. On FB I have many top tier people in my friends like Jaques Olivar, Miles Aldridge, many very good models, top level MU stylists etc. MM is not there and never will be. So both are fine independent and yet often we find the same people here as there. Aug 04 12 12:24 am Link HALF THE MODELS ON MM OUR GONE MM NEEDS TO DO A CLEAN UP ON ANY ONE NOT USING THERE PAGE FOR OVER 9 MO Aug 04 12 12:26 am Link Each is different, but for whatever reason, it does feel as if MM is dying! Aug 04 12 12:32 am Link As a model who shoots primarily art-nudes, FB is next to useless for me, as I'm not able to show 95% of my images there. I do know full-time travelling models who have fan pages on FB, but they must then link back to MM or to their web sites to display any work that isn't implied or fashion. And they have frequent problems with their accounts getting suspended and having to start over again. I do see how it can be very good for networking and I often friend photographers on my generic, everyday profile there to stay in touch. But for modelling purposes, I don't really see the point for me. Perhaps I'm missing something. Aug 04 12 12:44 am Link FB has a cumulative effect in that if you work with one model friends of the model (usually models) note this then they in turn contact you a bit like references but within a tighter circle. You can also set up your own forum (mini site) with like minded people and network a photographer of MM has done this to great effect. I've also noticed that some models who have not logged onto MM for some time are regularly using FB. MM's strength is in 'photographers and retouchers forum' this being the technical side of things. M rated images is also one of MM's winners which is not allowed on FB. Aug 04 12 12:49 am Link Patchouli Nyx wrote: bump Aug 04 12 12:53 am Link P-Studios wrote: That would lower the membership numbers and impact ad revenue - something IB values far more then us I am afraid. Aug 04 12 12:58 am Link I get a bit of work from FB and a bit from MM and a bit from Flickr. That has always been the same. I imagine as you expand your FB via MM that your circle of friends grows hence it is natural you are getting FB to work for you. However; FB is limited. You cannot find work as a model on there generally; it may come to you. There is no casting call facility; and the messaging system isn't very sound. There is no way of hosting a professional port on FB as such; and you can't have nude images. Well you can; but if someone reports you you will have your profile removed. In fact you can have your profile removed for no apparent reason - all someone has to do is report you for some indiscretion and bang you are gone. Happened to a few friends and comms with FB staff are unanswered. Anybody who wants to trust such a site with professional effort it is on their own back. If I am applying for a casting external in the real job market I can link my MM port and add a few images as attachments in an email rather than swamp them. This has always worked for me; and it is the way it should be. Regularly I have gone for casting and they have printed out my images on the desk from MM when I get to the interview. I have NEVER had to open my hard portfolio with my tears at an interview- my port here has always got me the job. MM is a modelling portfolio hosting site and facebook is not. It would be ludicrously amateur to link a FB portfolio in a job application. Aug 04 12 01:00 am Link Neil Snape wrote: I got my first one this last two weeks - I guess that means I'm on the right path. Aug 04 12 01:03 am Link MM is where you can search and offer work and I still get amazing results from castings here. Facebook is where I keep up with a few models but as I am 700 over the 5000 limit for friends I don't add new models that I have worked with. My work gets way more views on Facebook and I get lots of offers as a result. 98% of the requests are not of interest to me though. Now and then I do like to shoot a pretty girl who is not a model and the response on FB is almost 100% positive. MM should do what Tumblr and Twitter do and interface with FB. That is the future. Aug 04 12 01:13 am Link GRAF wrote: There's no forums on Facebook silly(-: but as far as castings go, fb is a good resource yes. Aug 04 12 01:23 am Link Patchouli Nyx wrote: R A V E N D R I V E wrote: I don't do a geographic search as the facebook group that adds models and photographers are already "Utah based" Aug 04 12 01:31 am Link Presley ONeil wrote: There are facebook groups out there that pepole can start threads about certain topics, yes, it's not as organized as MM... but you can still post topics and people can discuss them Aug 04 12 01:36 am Link FB overtaking MM? I'm not so sure. I think it really depends on how you use it & market yourself & the kinds of stuff you're looking to shoot & ones geographic area. If anything kills MM's useful, it'll probably be how unreliable it is. You just never know when the site will be up or down or even when those dreaded 408(?) errors appear. Nor does it help that MM still has yet to develop a mobile phone app (after people literally clamoring this for years) that isn't linked to a 3rd party site. Another site will likely come along that will fill the void, leaving MM in the dust. Such is the way of these kinds of things. Here today, gone tomorrow. Aug 04 12 05:15 am Link For me, FB is far better for model networking, photo portfolios, referrals, promotion, messaging , and paid work. MM is better for model searches and forums with less spam. Aug 04 12 06:56 am Link No not at all-----the Facebook "fad" will go away just as it did for Myspace and any other trash gossip site . Facebook is for kids and those with too much time on their hands LOL Aug 04 12 07:02 am Link People drop into shout or announce 'check out my pics on FB' - seems to be the latest trend. Since FB doesn't limit the photos you end up having to wade through piles of shit (hey, there's good photos of me SOMEWHERE in the middle of me being an idiot with my drunken friends, or pics of my cat, or whatever). Adding insult to it all, you have to jump through hoops to get 'approval' to see some of these pics because you have to be a friend. WTF? I find this trend the most offensive. If you're on MM, don't ask people to check out your FB pics. That's just lameoid. And it doesn't help keep THIS site alive, either. Aug 04 12 07:04 am Link If Facebook works better for you, by all means use it, but I don't think Facebook is the reason why models here don't answer casting calls. A recent thread addressed the reasons why many models sign up here, but never do much modeling. Aug 04 12 07:08 am Link GRAF wrote: Nope. Aug 04 12 07:12 am Link Simple Solution. MM/Censoring Assholes might think about interfacing with FB like Twitter did. Aug 04 12 07:17 am Link J Welborn wrote: I agree(in part). However, MM is designed perfectly as a forum for those engaged in the professional modelling(and associated) trade. FB is very generalised, from all sorts of people who are not connected to our industry. There are all sorts of tools in my box like Meetup, Craigslist, FB, Twitter, my own website, agencies, etc. Still, MM is still my most powerful tool to connect with others in my industry. Aug 04 12 07:21 am Link Anzhelika Yakimenko wrote: FB is what you make it and how you interact and with who. Aug 04 12 07:38 am Link I can't get useable search results on FB to save my life. A number of successful MM models also have FB accounts and I don't mind adding a "like" to keep in touch but that occurs after you have already established a relationship with them. Aug 04 12 07:46 am Link I use FB way more for casting them MM. I made private groups on FB. WHich is the best way to keep track of everyone and what they do !! One private group for all the agency model friends and some of the local agencies.. and one group for all the wardbrobe,mua, and hair stylists. So when I need either, I will post a casting in my private groups and find what I need the same day or the next day. Has never taken more then 2 days to get over 20 'im interested' replies from qualified models. So much easier and quicker and no BS I use MM to mainly chat I use FB to book shoots If you know and learn how to use FB right and well....its a powerhorse of a tool !!! Aug 04 12 07:51 am Link P-Studios wrote: When searching or browsing llamas, just click the Recent Activity link. It'll bring up llamas who are actually signing in. Aug 04 12 07:57 am Link Anzhelika Yakimenko wrote: I don't think IB have a choice. But then it's up to the individual if they want to create a link between MM and FB. Aug 04 12 07:57 am Link DanaColePix wrote: I wish I didn't find FB confusing but the layout/presentation I still find annoying. Aug 04 12 08:02 am Link MM killed MM... Aug 04 12 08:04 am Link i think so too, i hardly get any hits when i post a casting here, and well since i am not that good too, i hardly get any on facebook either...i think it is easier on facebook since the communication is better there with notify, chat, and event postings, i have both because i can find far better images and models (with less drama) on MM, most people hardly check it though Aug 04 12 08:06 am Link I can't post nudes publicly on Facebook and I can't create castings specific to my area. Other than that, it's a very useful resource and I spend a lot of time and find lots of people to collaborate with there. I do wish that MM would get around to implementing a multi-user message system like they have on Facebook though. I've suggested it in the past and it should be technically fairly easy to do. The ability to message and reply to your whole team at once is very useful and one of the main reasons I now prefer to arrange shoots via Facebook even if I originally found some or all members of the team via MM. Just my $0.02 Ciao Stefano www.stefanobrunesci.com Aug 04 12 08:06 am Link DougBPhoto wrote: I think that FB is trashing the forums, for a variety of reasons. It's also taken a lot of the preshoot communications. Unless MM wants to be a place people store pictures and post profiles, rather than a place for networking, they need to make some adjustments. Aug 04 12 08:09 am Link I can't create castings as easily on FB. I can't search for models by location on FB. While I seem to get a lot more activity now from my FB account, I have found the models I want to work with usually come through MM. I think that is because on MM they have taken steps to be seen as a model and 75% of the contacts I get on FB are girls saying they want to model but then never follow through by setting up a shoot. But most models I shoot from MM seem to prefer to contact me through FB once we become "friends". Aug 04 12 08:10 am Link A R A G O N wrote: +1 Aug 04 12 08:12 am Link -B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote: MM could do a LOT of things but it doesn't seem like IB is too interested in changing it much from what it is. Aug 04 12 08:15 am Link |