Cool Artist2005 wrote:
No,
I disagree. She is making an example of the ugly side of modeling. There are many sick people out there. Think about it, a beautiful girl going to a hotel room to take off her clothes and have a photographer take pictures of her promising her the world whom she does not know from Adam!
Its common sense. If you are a woman you should bring someone with you.

Charming pro-escort "logic"
This's a modeling scam, not a "assault models" scam, how would having an escort make a difference?

Annique Delphine wrote:

Are you always this rude?

No, I just make a special effort for the willfully clueless.

Cool Artist2005 wrote:

Lets put it this way. Under 18 yes. They should bring someone.....people should use their own judgement and live with the circumstances. If you have experiences working with pros great. Godbless and I know what ever I say there will be a backlash.

Underaged models... hell yeah... I am not against someone coming along, I had a shoot with a 17 years old and the parents, sister and friends came along... I don't have a problem whatsoever. But I also know a successfull model who is also a friend and someone I am working a lot at runway shows with. Billboard in Tokyo, Vogue spread... and she's 15, her parents are in Hawaii and her manager is more or less protective of her...

Photos by Gary wrote:

It on at 9am ch 2 around here but it is rebroadcast at something like 1 am.

I saw it this morning also and was a bit confused by it also. But I think in her defense, these girls were getting naked for the test shoot with no garrenty anything coming out of it. Hell they actually paid for it, the girls in her show had already got the job and were competing for the grandprise.

Thats true as well, but lets look at ANTM, they are getting naked for photographers on that show with no clue or hope that they will make the next cut...so it is a hypocrisy to her fake talk show against her reality model show

ALTHOUGH, I will try out for ANTM when i hear about their next model call..Ive lost some weight...and ready 2 give it a try.....see hoow she really is

John Allan wrote:

If your modeling has you participating within a paradigm where an escort seems reasonable, then you're not a model, you're a .....

John

no, I'm not signed with an agency, therefore, no, I don't get regular work, because, yes, I'M FREAKING 5'3"! girls like myself do a lot of TFP to get photos to show local designers to get what little work we can. TFP often times means shooting in unprofessional situations.

Annique Delphine wrote:
Are you always this rude?

Tell him to save it for the Pitt.

Jesse Gater Photography wrote:
OK, How can you call Tyra Banks and ass!!! You all know that there are people on this website that are not suppose to be behind a camera. All they are trying to do is see women naked. She did the show to show women how to avoid situations like that. I wonder those who are criticizing her are not the very ones she is warning women about.

Yeah I fess up you got me.  The woman is a hypocrite and maybe all the "white knights" are probably the real predators.

Kayelin Walker wrote:
He seems rude doesnt he?

http://www.theage.com.au/news/World/Col … 49995.html

there is one article, it doesnt talk much about it, but its a start.

Apparently you dont watch the news, because this was a huge story a few months ago. They were circulating pictures of all the women to see if they could identify them.

Burden of proof is still on you, sweetheart. No mention of photography in that article.

Kayelin Walker wrote:
He seems rude doesnt he?

http://www.theage.com.au/news/World/Col … 49995.html

there is one article, it doesnt talk much about it, but its a start.

Apparently you dont watch the news, because this was a huge story a few months ago. They were circulating pictures of all the women to see if they could identify them.

This is SO ignorant.
Name 10 occupations and go to the library and do a text search on   girl, murder,
See how often photographer pops up...

John

Mikel Featherston wrote:

As has been asked in other places... Do you take an escort with you on dates? Statistics show you are more likely to be raped or murdered by someone you know than someone you don't.

Do you take an escort with you to the dentist or doctor? The news has plenty of stories about misdeeds by members of these professions. But they don't have to fight a stupid myth.

Do a web search on "model murdered". I do every now and then for kicks. And I see stories of models being killed by their boyfriends. Or by complete strangers who were not photographers. But for some strange reason, the net is NOT filled with ACTUAL stories of models killed by photographers.

The lie and myth you choose to blithely perpetuate is that you have a higher chance of running into a killer holding a camera than in other aspects of your life. This is pure bullshit, and if you had to eat it every day, you'd stop serving it.

you say this because you haven't had the experiences that many models have, if you had a loved one in the same situations I would hope you might change your mind.

Annique Delphine wrote:
They also give them runway training and explain to them what castings are and what go-sees are. I think there's alot to learn for aspiring models by watching this show.

I give credit where credit is due and I wrote a MySpace blog about that last year or so and I think I posted it here too.

There are SOME details that are useable!

My biggest critizism is that they purposely chose a lot of girls that are whackjobs, and will definetly have no chance in the industry on their own, but represent the demographics of those girls that are tuning in season for season and see all those girls that they can identify with... and THAT is what urks me the most.

I am directly involved in the production of runway shows and I am a professional runway shooter in NYC (Olympus Fashionweek etc.) and during castings... we often point out a model that watches too much ANTM, because they have some sort of "specific" ANTM walk... hard to describe... but it's like: "Aww... another fan of ANTM." When we ask where she learned to walk like that... the answer is always: "I studied ANTM and how they walk."

UdoR wrote:
I had a shoot with a 17 years old and the parents, sister and friends came along... I don't have a problem whatsoever. But I also know a successfull model who is also a friend and someone I am working a lot at runway shows with. Billboard in Tokyo, Vogue spread... and she's 15, her parents are in Hawaii and her manager is more or less protective of her...

Most parents just don't have the money to accompany they're girl to wherever she's off. My mom came to visit me in Milan 1st time i went. i was 16 years old and lived in an apartment with another girl. The only advice I got from my agency when I arrived in Italy was: "never go out with a man alone"..other than that we were on our own.
Now since I was with a big established agency there was no need to worry about me getting scammed or getting abused by men posing as photographers.

But what about the countless girls everywhere who are not repped by an agency and who are absolutely clueless about what's legit and what's not?

For girls like that a show like ANTM can provide some usefull info.

Do NOT take your clothes off at a casting with a guy in a hotel room. !!

There may be the occasional casting in  a hotel room. I've had a couple of those and they were all legit..as photographers travel alot and don't have a studio everywhere they go and can't always set up castings at the agency.

However....usually they'll just take a couple polaroids of your face and maybe of your body with you wearing a bikini.

little apple blossom wrote:

what's the lie here? there are creepy guys and girls should be careful. yeah most photographer's aren't creeps but the risk is too high to assume none of them are. In my opinion bringing an escort is just common sense but if you don't like that you don't have to work with people like me that feel that way, no need to get all upset about it.

Thank you apple blossom!
There are many sick people out there.

Kayelin Walker wrote:
He seems rude doesnt he?

http://www.theage.com.au/news/World/Col … 49995.html

there is one article, it doesnt talk much about it, but its a start.

Apparently you dont watch the news, because this was a huge story a few months ago. They were circulating pictures of all the women to see if they could identify them.

Oh for gods' sakes.
I knew that was what you were talking about.  This's ONE 20 year old case where the guy lured SOME of his victims by picking them up, generally in bars or other public places, by telling them he was a photographer and convincing them to leave wherever it was with him RIGHT THEN to go have pictures taken.
Those women obviously shouldn't have been out at the club or the mall alone. *headdesk*
Go read THE THREAD.
None of us advocate no escorts for minors, and we STRONGLY advocate a woman take reasonable precautions like checking out the photographer's bonafides, looking in to references, letting people know when & where & with whom they'll be, etc etc.
Not much can be done for people who'll just wander off willingly with strangers tho.
Using your logic of bsing it on this one killer, Ted Bundy snatched most of his victims in grocery store parking lots, does this mean no woman should SHOP alone?

little apple blossom wrote:

you say this because you haven't had the experiences that many models have, if you had a loved one in the same situations I would hope you might change your mind.

I say that because you can't provide proof. I say that because I CAN show the statistics where the boyfriend/husband/acquaintance has been SHOWN to more likely be the one who commits crimes against women.

Cool Artist2005 wrote:

Thank you apple blossom!
There are many sick people out there.

But most are not photographers

little apple blossom wrote:
you say this because you haven't had the experiences that many models have, if you had a loved one in the same situations I would hope you might change your mind

How many or are you guessing?  Be sure of your fact before scaring people.

Kayelin Walker wrote:
Really, I think you people are taking the escort thing really REALLY personally.

Typical passive-aggressive crap.

Kayelin Walker wrote:
He seems rude doesnt he?

http://www.theage.com.au/news/World/Col … 49995.html

there is one article, it doesnt talk much about it, but its a start.

Apparently you dont watch the news, because this was a huge story a few months ago. They were circulating pictures of all the women to see if they could identify them.

From that article:

"In 2003, former truck painter Gary Leon Ridgway pleaded guilty in Seattle to killing 48 women, a series of murders attributed to the "Green River Killer." He was sentenced to life in prison."

The moral of the story is that we must be VERY carefull when we meet "photographers who used to be truck painters"... those dudes are dangerous! Serial Killers! Woah!

UdoR wrote:
. we often point out a model that watches too much ANTM, because they have some sort of "specific" ANTM walk... hard to describe... but it's like: "Aww... another fan of ANTM." When we ask where she learned to walk like that... the answer is always: "I studied ANTM and how they walk."

I agree with you on that one UdoR. I remember a couple seasons back they were telling the girls that they needed to develop a signature walk. I thought that was total Bull. I've done countless runway shows for big designers and you know how every designer has their own requests on how he/she wants the girls to walk the show. And they want ALL the girls to walk the SAME in their show.
Other than Naomi Campbell or Giselle Buendchen I couldn't really point out signature walks. And I couldn't believe they told the girls on ANTM that they needed they're own style of walking.

gdsandy wrote:

How many or are you guessing?  Be sure of your fact before scaring people.

I don't have to guess I have three other friends that model. And have myself had four very creepy incidents where I counted myself lucky to not come out raped and none were in a hotel room, two in public places, all with other people present, all with it pre-established that I would not do nudity. Please don't assume I'm making up statistics just for the sake of argument, that's just insulting.

Annique Delphine wrote:

I agree with you on that one UdoR. I remember a couple seasons back they were telling the girls that they needed to develop a signature walk. I thought that was total Bull. I've done countless runway shows for big designers and you know how every designer has their own requests on how he/she wants the girls to walk the show. And they want ALL the girls to walk the SAME in their show.
Other than Naomi Campbell or Giselle Buendchen I couldn't really point out signature walks. And I couldn't believe they told the girls on ANTM that they needed they're own style of walking.

I remember watching (I think it was like Miss World) a couple of years ago. When Australia came out, she had this amazing runway walk, that totally shutdown everyone else. The competition was obviously over. She did win.

John

little apple blossom wrote:

I don't have to guess I have three other friends that model. And have myself had four very creepy incidents where I counted myself lucky to not come out raped and none were in a hotel room, two in public places, all with other people present, all with it pre-established that I would not do nudity. Please don't assume I'm making up statistics just for the sake of argument, that's just insulting.

So you were nearly raped 4 times in front of witnesses. I hope the police were called.  that is serious and I wasn't aware how close you had got to that kind of danger.  Were they convicted?  Are they photographing Bubba now?

little apple blossom wrote:
I don't have to guess I have three other friends that model. And have myself had four very creepy incidents where I counted myself lucky to not come out raped and none were in a hotel room, two in public places, all with other people present, all with it pre-established that I would not do nudity. Please don't assume I'm making up statistics just for the sake of argument, that's just insulting.

You need to stop 'modeling'.

John

little apple blossom wrote:
that's disgusting that you have that little empathy for others, I'm done. Live in your box.

Another wonderful display of passive-aggressive retreat.

Kayelin Walker wrote:
... I give up, we're all of the Tyra topic any ways because we had to defend escorts. Tyra is a hypocrite, and I'm going to work now.

Oh, that's easy
She's a hypocrite & escorts are indefensible 

Roshar wrote:
Gee, Im in LA.
I have to do tons of shoots with naked girls in hotel rooms.

Watch out. Tyra Banks is on to your little scheme.

John Allan wrote:
I don't quite get shooting in hotel rooms anyway. I can see gosees in a hotelroom, just like conventions setup hotel rooms for meet and greets. But, shooting? I can also see using different areas in a hotel for location, but in the room???? Don't think so - will never happen - for me at least? yech..

John

http://hotelroomnudes.blogspot.com/

The work of one D. Brian Nelson.

John Allan wrote:
I don't quite get shooting in hotel rooms anyway. I can see gosees in a hotelroom, just like conventions setup hotel rooms for meet and greets. But, shooting? I can also see using different areas in a hotel for location, but in the room???? Don't think so - will never happen - for me at least? yech..

John

Depending on the style that you are shooting it can look quite interesting.
Take images by Ellen Von Unwerth (sp), Newton,and
Micheal Thompson, just to name a few that have used this setting.
The dirty hotel rooms lend an interesting texture.

Oops- Im highjacking....
Tyra Banks
carry on.....