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What Fun Productions
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Phoenix, Arizona, US
The New Mac Pro The all new Mac Pro is built around a unified thermal core, allowing it to share its thermal capacity more efficiently with all processors. It’s got super-fast ECC memory and 60 GB per second of bandwidth, which is twice as much as the previous model. It’s also 2.5 times faster than the previous Mac Pro, delivering 7 teraflops of computing power, and its new PCIe-based flash storage is up to 10 times faster than conventional desktop hard drives. Finally, it’s the first Mac to come standard with dual workstation GPUs, giving it a faster, more powerful graphical performance. It is under ten inches tall. http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2013/06/new-mac-pro/ Oh yeah, built in America too.
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What Fun Productions
Posts: 20868
Phoenix, Arizona, US
I know, I know... You could build a PC with parts from Tiger Direct that is twice as fast and only costs $165.
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Art Silva
Posts: 10064
Santa Barbara, California, US
Doubters were wondering if Apple would shock and surprise anyone today, it looks like they did with the Mac Pro announcement. It looks very interesting and definitely innovative in form and function, and not to mention artistic. Looks like Apple may be getting their swagger back. USA, USA, USA 
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Jay Leavitt
Posts: 6745
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
But it's not innovation... what you have described is just progression, in the shape of a trashcan.
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Skydancer Photos
Posts: 22196
Santa Cruz, California, US
Moving this to the iBox Forum... ... oh wait! 
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beta
Posts: 2097
Nashville, Tennessee, US
-JAY- wrote:
But it's not innovation... what you have described is just progression, in the shape of a trashcan. But that is what every device is right now, just progression. Nothing really new from any company. It will take quite a leap to give us innovation; beyond the defined desktop, laptop, OS, and smart phone... No, glasses do not count.
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photographybyStavros
Posts: 5402
Bainbridge Island, Washington, US
What Fun Productions wrote:
I know, I know... You could build a PC with parts from Tiger Direct that is twice as fast and only costs $165. PC stands for piece of crap. Cheaper isn't better, it's cheap.
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DougBPhoto
Posts: 39248
Portland, Oregon, US
What Fun Productions wrote:
![https://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2013/06/2013_mac_pro.jpg]() Wow, Apple has created a black circle.
A black circle....
yup, truly innovative and creative!!
Wait until people see that the next iPad is a circle also!!
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eos3_300
Posts: 1585
Brooklyn, New York, US
Any link to a non Adspeak techincal specs
Price would be nice too but I understand "if you have to ask...you can't afford it"
Marketing strategy
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eos3_300
Posts: 1585
Brooklyn, New York, US
photographybyStavros wrote:
PC stands for piece of crap. Cheaper isn't better, it's cheap. Well better is better
Like faster, more storage etc
Cheaper is just a bonus
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Let There Be Light
Posts: 7657
Los Angeles, California, US
eos3_300 wrote:
Any link to a non Adspeak techincal specs
Price would be nice too but I understand "if you have to ask...you can't afford it"
Marketing strategy Pricing hasn't been announced yet. No exact delivery date yet either, kind of like a Microsoft product.
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GK photo
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Laguna Beach, California, US
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The Dave
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Ann Arbor, Michigan, US
GK photo wrote:
![https://m2.i.pbase.com/o4/74/283874/1/64830632.s28h57zV.Yawning.gif]() This!
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StephenEastwood
Posts: 19585
Great Neck, New York, US
What Fun Productions wrote:
I know, I know... You could build a PC with parts from Tiger Direct that is twice as fast and only costs $165. 159.95 if you wait for a sale. Fathers day is soon, deals abound!!
Stephen Eastwood
Http://www.StephenEastwood.com
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Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 33355
Dearborn, Michigan, US
photographybyStavros wrote:
PC stands for piece of crap. Cheaper isn't better, it's cheap. Wrong!!
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DOUGLASFOTOS
Posts: 10604
Los Angeles, California, US
This was Steve Job's earlier version of the Massive Desktop Monolith ![https://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af133/cirtapfotos/15b1539a-e5b2-4f05-a285-9cb4e32f0c81.jpg]()
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Robb Mann
Posts: 12327
Baltimore, Maryland, US
DOUGLASFOTOS wrote:
This was Steve Job's earlier version of the Massive Desktop Monolith
![https://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af133/cirtapfotos/15b1539a-e5b2-4f05-a285-9cb4e32f0c81.jpg]() Nope. It was this:
![https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/NeXTcube.jpg]()
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Wye
Posts: 10811
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
-JAY- wrote:
But it's not innovation... what you have described is just progression, in the shape of a trashcan. weird. Every trash can in my office is rectangular. The transcan in my house is a beige rectangle with a lid.
Does cylindrical with a hole in the top (regardless of size) automatically look like a trashcan to you? If you have a coffee mug on your counter and you can't see the handle do you think "hey.. Where did that trashcan come from?!" Or maybe "man. That's stupid. Why would they put my peanut butter into something the shape of a trashcan?!"
Or maybe are you parroting what you read some snarky intent blogger say because you thought it would make you sound cool?
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Sonn
Posts: 338
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Well i see some potential for it once you incorporate cooling and the ability to hold liquid.
Just think your beer is now also a pc that can tell you how drunk you are, make phone calls, and order and pay for refills once you enter a bar...
Would be a day one purchase.
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amb300
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Murfreesboro, Tennessee, US
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j3_photo
Posts: 19885
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Apple lovers and haters out in full force- not surprising  This looks cool, hopefully it's a great tool and things just keep on getting better for all of us.
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P O T T S
Posts: 5471
Lake City, Florida, US
![https://bp3.blogger.com/_M2sl6GY8oac/RtRrl2nWH7I/AAAAAAAAAjY/kIJcHyJB2E0/s400/Spotswood_Custom_Computers_Drum_PC_Case_Cabinet.jpg]() meh. That was done in 2007.
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Sleepy Weasel
Posts: 4839
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Ah, yes, I forgot that "innovation" to Apple and their iFans means patenting shapes for their products. Well done, Apple, well done.
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salvatori.
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Amundsen-Scott - permanent station of the US, Unclaimed Sector, Antarctica
There was a thread on the site yesterday that asked (quite innocently, IMHO) about a topic of religion. It was locked soon after it started, being called a 'train wreck,' even though it was still quite civil.
In my opinion, MM was exercising their own interpretation of censure; they presumed it would get bad, and locked it. I understand it's their site, they can do what they want, blah, blah, blah.
Is this thread any different?
O_o
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Wye
Posts: 10811
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
photographybyStavros wrote:
PC stands for piece of crap. Cheaper isn't better, it's cheap. dont be silly. Cheaper can be better if saving money is important (and if you don't need whatever it is you're sacrificing for the lowered price).
I've bought hundreds of standard pcs. Made a bundle of money using them. I've also bought dozens of macs. Made a similar bundle of money using them.
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B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25319
Bath, England, United Kingdom
It's round. Looks like a wastepaper bin. Almost certainly costs at least 2x the price of an equivalent "square" PC assembled from the same components. Thanks, but no thanks. Just my $0.02 Ciao Stefano www.stefanobrunesci.com
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B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25319
Bath, England, United Kingdom
What Fun Productions wrote:
Oh yeah, built assembled in America too. Corrected you there 
I looked at the slideshow and the word was "assembled".
From parts made in China by people being paid $1 per hour or less, no doubt.
Yeah, I'm impressed by that too. That clearly justifies the no doubt outrageous price tag. Go USA! 
Ciao
Stefano
www.stefanobrunesci.com
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Wye
Posts: 10811
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
That Italian Guy wrote:
It's round.
Looks like a wastepaper bin.
Almost certainly costs at least 2x the price of an equivalent "square" PC assembled from the same components.
Thanks, but no thanks.
Just my $0.02
Ciao
Stefano
www.stefanobrunesci.com does everything that's round with a hole in the top look like a waste paper bin to you?
Do you get confused by planters and vases?
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B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25319
Bath, England, United Kingdom
Wye wrote:
Do you get confused by planters and vases? No.
But I don't try to pass them off as 'innovative' either.
Ciao
Stefano
www.stefanobrunesci.com
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Wye
Posts: 10811
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Sleepy Weasel wrote:
Ah, yes, I forgot that "innovation" to Apple and their iFans means patenting shapes for their products. Well done, Apple, well done. no. It means doing something new and interesting. Actually *trying* to do new things.
Apple does it time and again with their physical design. The iMac. The Mac mini. Charging ahead with USB and removing floppy drives. Creating a tablet device that people actually wanted to buy by the millions. Creating a line of music devices that similar numbers of people wanted to buy.
Is this device (or any apple device) for everyone? Are they perfect? Do they fit every need and satisfy every market? No. Anyone who thinks that is ridiculous. But they fill a need and they look great (to my eyes) while doing it.
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Wye
Posts: 10811
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
That Italian Guy wrote:
No.
But I don't try to pass them off as 'innovative' either. I don't get it. Because someone called this thing innovative it short circuited your brain and now it resembles nothing but a (rather small) waste paper bin?
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Llobet Photography
Posts: 4915
Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US
Looks like a suppository to me.
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Wye
Posts: 10811
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
BlueMoonPics wrote:
Looks like a suppository to me. man. You guys are in fine form today. Super clever.
If this thing resembles any sort of suppository you've ever had to use then you must have had trouble sitting for a while afterwards.
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B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25319
Bath, England, United Kingdom
Wye wrote:
I don't get it. Because someone called this thing innovative it short circuited your brain and now it resembles nothing but a (rather small) waste paper bin? Or maybe an oversized Coke can, painted black....
I think Coke and Pepsi et al. will be having something to say about this 'innovative' shape before long!
Ciao
Stefano
www.stefanobrunesci.com
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Wye
Posts: 10811
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
That Italian Guy wrote:
Or maybe an oversized Coke can, painted black....
I think Coke and Pepsi et al. will be having something to say about this 'innovative' shape before long! im not sure what the problem is.
This is a form factor of personal computer I've never seen before. Have you? Has anyone ever built a personal computer like this? Has this much power ever been in a machine as compact as this?
It looks nice. It (seems to have) all the functionality that I and many users want in a ridiculously compact package.
Whether people care about the size and design is another matter. As is whether the lack of internal expansion will be too much of a compromise for too many people.
Personally (and in my business) this is exactly the sort of computer we want. Powerful CPU and gpu (I would prefer nvidia but whatever), small internal disk, lots of ram. We have 300tb of network attached storage and don't need any pci slots.
We compromise by getting smaller "desktop" boxes and mount them under the desks to keep that dust and dirt at bay. But something like this would mean we can just keep them on the desk. It takes up less desk space than a piece of paper.
We will almost certainly be replacing our existing Mac machines with these. If someone made a just as capable windows/Linux machine in a similar form factor then we would buy those too. Quite a lot of them.
The traditional desktop box is a waste in every way for us.
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Sleepy Weasel
Posts: 4839
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
The "problem" is the typical folks messing themselves over a computer shaped like a trash can because it has an apple on it.
Hand gestures on a cell phone screen (without touching it) is innovative, for example. A "new" shape for a computer is not innovative. A design improvement? Perhaps. Innovative? No.
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P O T T S
Posts: 5471
Lake City, Florida, US
Wye wrote:
im not sure what the problem is.
This is a form factor of personal computer I've never seen before. Have you? Has anyone ever built a personal computer like this? Has this much power ever been in a machine as compact as this?
It looks nice. It (seems to have) all the functionality that I and many users want in a ridiculously compact package.
Whether people care about the size and design is another matter. As is whether the lack of internal expansion will be too much of a compromise for too many people.
Personally (and in my business) this is exactly the sort of computer we want. Powerful CPU and gpu (I would prefer nvidia but whatever), small internal disk, lots of ram. We have 300tb of network attached storage and don't need any pci slots.
We compromise by getting smaller "desktop" boxes and mount them under the desks to keep that dust and dirt at bay. But something like this would mean we can just keep them on the desk. It takes up less desk space than a piece of paper.
We will almost certainly be replacing our existing Mac machines with these. If someone made a just as capable windows/Linux machine in a similar form factor then we would buy those too. Quite a lot of them.
The traditional desktop box is a waste in every way for us. Yes. Got any PC mags fro mthe early 2000's - an old "Computer Shopper"? You used to be able to buy cylinder style cases to make your own. Then in 2008, the "tvbe" computer was mass produced:
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/CLVE-TVBE-N … -2860.html
But I guess they were not original or innovative like apple?
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NYB
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Albany, New York, US
What worries me is there was no set date on when this would be released. They only said "later this year." Sounds like it won't ship until 2014.
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Wye
Posts: 10811
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
P O T T S wrote:
Yes. Got any PC mags fro mthe early 2000's - an old "Computer Shopper"? You used to be able to buy cylinder style cases to make your own. Then in 2008, the "tvbe" computer was mass produced:
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/CLVE-TVBE-N … -2860.html
But I guess they were not original or innovative like apple? ah. Good to know. I'd never see any mainstream computer maker advertise such a thing.
So this will (assuming it sells well) be more like what they did to the tablet market with the iPad -- make one that people actually want to buy.
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