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A-M-P
Posts: 18465
Orlando, Florida, US
![https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2889/11635021763_c505b5af55_c.jpg]() Old photo-shoot revisited found this among the photos decided to give it a shot. Not all perfect photos are good photos and not all good photos are perfect photos.
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sospix
Posts: 23798
Orlando, Florida, US
That's what rules iz for, ain't it . . .  Nicely done . . . SOS
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Evan Hiltunen
Posts: 4162
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US
Do you break the rules just for the sake of breaking rules or do you break them for a good and beneficial reason?
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D. Brian Nelson
Posts: 5477
Rapid City, South Dakota, US
What rules did you break?
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Sidney Kapuskar
Posts: 876
Paris, Île-de-France, France
D. Brian Nelson wrote:
What rules did you break? Same here...
Are you talking about image crop?
If yes, the crop in the forehead is a bit rough to my taste.
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A-M-P
Posts: 18465
Orlando, Florida, US
D. Brian Nelson wrote:
What rules did you break? rule of thirds, chopping limbs, composition that typically doesn't work. Things that wouldn't be technically correct and that people usually point out as wrong when they see it.
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A-M-P
Posts: 18465
Orlando, Florida, US
Evan Hiltunen wrote:
Do you break the rules just for the sake of breaking rules or do you break them for a good and beneficial reason? I break them when I like an image enough that even though it doesn't follow the rules I still use it because I like it.
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D. Brian Nelson
Posts: 5477
Rapid City, South Dakota, US
A-M-P wrote:
rule of thirds, chopping limbs, composition that typically doesn't work. Things that wouldn't be technically correct and that people usually point out as wrong when they see it. Nope. Crop is perfectly fine. Very good photograph. I see no rules broken.
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Erlinda
Posts: 7286
London, England, United Kingdom
D. Brian Nelson wrote:
Nope. Crop is perfectly fine. Very good photograph. I see no rules broken. +1 It's a nice photo, cropping of the forehead isn't a rule to break is it? I thought you could do that. 
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A-M-P
Posts: 18465
Orlando, Florida, US
Erlinda wrote:
+1 It's a nice photo, cropping of the forehead isn't a rule to break is it? I thought you could do that. I posted this same shot in a critic site and they all told me the composition was bad and wrong lol So I don't know really lol ah well I guess I didn't break any then lol hahaha
I have to be honest I never follow any compositional guidelines or rules. I just go with whatever I like in my viewfinder. Is odd that when I do try to follow it I feel constricted.
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Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 33355
Dearborn, Michigan, US
A-M-P wrote:
I posted this same shot in a critic site and they all told me the composition was bad and wrong lol So I don't know really lol ah well I guess I didn't break any then lol hahaha I like the photo! 
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T Smalls Photography
Posts: 143
Bakersfield, California, US
A-M-P wrote:
I posted this same shot in a critic site and they all told me the composition was bad and wrong lol So I don't know really lol ah well I guess I didn't break any then lol hahaha I like it. A lot. Art is subjective and dynamic. What's a broken rule today, could be industry standard tomorrow.
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Fotografica Gregor
Posts: 4126
Alexandria, Virginia, US
One learns the rules of perspective and composition as a stepping stone -
haphazard perspective and composition may yield the occasional happy accident
but until someone learns sufficient fundamentals to be able to repeat results and gain consistency, they don't usually have the foundation necessary to understand the dynamic effect of these upon the finished image (unless they are a born talent)
Once you understand the effect of composition and perspective on an image, you begin to see different possibilities that offer dynamic results....
the rules are meant to be learnt, and meant to be "broken" - really transcended - by those who have learnt them....
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ChadAlan
Posts: 4254
Los Angeles, California, US
I love it. Keep on breakin' them!
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D. Brian Nelson
Posts: 5477
Rapid City, South Dakota, US
Fotografica Gregor wrote:
One learns the rules of perspective and composition as a stepping stone -
haphazard perspective and composition may yield the occasional happy accident
but until someone learns sufficient fundamentals to be able to repeat results and gain consistency, they don't usually have the foundation necessary to understand the dynamic effect of these upon the finished image (unless they are a born talent)
Once you understand the effect of composition and perspective on an image, you begin to see different possibilities that offer dynamic results....
the rules are meant to be learnt, and meant to be "broken" - really transcended - by those who have learnt them.... Too many words, but exactly right. One can only break the rules if one knows the rules.
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Christopher Hartman
Posts: 54196
Buena Park, California, US
D. Brian Nelson wrote:
Nope. Crop is perfectly fine. Very good photograph. I see no rules broken. Forum rule? 
I remember asking Marie Dupree about a photo of hers where everything was in the frame, except for one elbow. I don't remember her exact response so hopefully she'll forgive me if she sees this and I'm misrepresenting what she told me, but it essentially was, to my recollection, "if I like the image, damn be the rules." I think she also said something about fretting about those rules and getting frustrated when she liked an image.
After our exchange, I relaxed a lot more myself and didn't worry if I cut off a pinky.
![https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/080508/02/48229b97b8431_m.jpg]()
although, to be perfectly honest...I'd rather that pinky be in the photo...however, it's still one of my favorite photos.
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Erlinda
Posts: 7286
London, England, United Kingdom
A-M-P wrote:
I posted this same shot in a critic site and they all told me the composition was bad and wrong lol So I don't know really lol ah well I guess I didn't break any then lol hahaha
I have to be honest I never follow any compositional guidelines or rules. I just go with whatever I like in my viewfinder. Is odd that when I do try to follow it I feel constricted. Hmmmmmm, to each their own I guess.... But I like it either way
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Christopher Hartman
Posts: 54196
Buena Park, California, US
Erlinda wrote:
+1 It's a nice photo, cropping of the forehead isn't a rule to break is it? I thought you could do that. The tighter you are on the face, the more of it you can crop. In her photo, the crop is...let's just say, not common.
it's a great photo. I like it. For me, if that is the image, I wouldn't sweat it. If the original is looser and shows more of her head, then I would redo the image. But as I said, I still think it's great photo as presented to us.
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MMR Creative Services
Posts: 1902
Doylestown, Pennsylvania, US
That's pretty much a "Wow!" in my thinking. I'd know what to do with that in my arena. Really nice.
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Mike Kelcher
Posts: 13322
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US
A-M-P wrote:
rule of thirds, chopping limbs, composition that typically doesn't work. Things that wouldn't be technically correct and that people usually point out as wrong when they see it. Which is all fine if you did it to create "initial impact" which this image has PLENTY of. Initial impact is what advertisers look for. It stops people from turning pages and/or looking away. If an image doesn't reach out and grab a person's attention, advertisers aren't happy.
OK...so maybe there's no product and no advertiser, it still has initial impact and I stopped to look at it. So, to me, it's successful.
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JAMES ROSS PHOTOGRAPHIX
Posts: 9779
Tifton, Georgia, US
Mike Kelcher wrote:
Which is all fine if you did it to create "initial impact" which this image has PLENTY of. Initial impact is what advertisers look for. It stops people from turning pages and/or looking away. If an image doesn't reach out and grab a person's attention, advertisers aren't happy.
OK...so maybe there's no product and no advertiser, it still has initial impact and I stopped to look at it. So, to me, it's successful. THE WORDS SPOKEN BY ONE OF MODEL MAYHEM'S TRUE MASTERS!
HAPPY NEW YEAR MIKE!
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Quay Lude
Posts: 6386
Madison, Wisconsin, US
A-M-P wrote:
![https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2889/11635021763_c505b5af55_c.jpg]()
Old photo-shoot revisited found this among the photos decided to give it a shot. Not all perfect photos are good photos and not all good photos are perfect photos. Post this in critique (again) if you want to know.
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Lee Neutron
Posts: 7
Santa Rosa, California, US
as they say, rules were made to be broken. you don't want your art to look like every one else's anyway. trust yourself. this photograph works-- damn the "rules."
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Managing Light
Posts: 2678
Salem, Virginia, US
A-M-P wrote:
I have to be honest I never follow any compositional guidelines or rules. I just go with whatever I like in my viewfinder. Is odd that when I do try to follow it I feel constricted. Amen!
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Jorge Kreimer
Posts: 3716
San Cristóbal de las Casas, Chiapas, Mexico
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Longwatcher
Posts: 3664
Newport News, Virginia, US
I like the shot.
I treat rules in photography, like I treated doctrine in the Air Force (and I actually wrote a very tiny part of some USAF doctrine).
It is something to be followed when you have nothing better to go on.
The full Air Force Mantra is
Doctrine is to be followed when you can think of nothing else better than sitting on your rear looking like you don't know what you are doing. At least by following doctrine you may look like an ass, but you won't look like a fool.
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Andrew Thomas Evans
Posts: 24079
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US
A-M-P wrote:
rule of thirds, chopping limbs, composition that typically doesn't work. Things that wouldn't be technically correct and that people usually point out as wrong when they see it. But you did frame the shot for the dress... And the composition works. Sometimes all the rules don't always apply all at once.
The only one that really sticks out, rules that were broken, is you didn't retouch her armpit.
IMO
Andrew Thomas Evans
www.andrewthomasevans.com
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Solas
Posts: 10390
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
There are no rules. Just some guidelines, take them as you will.
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tony
Posts: 82
San Diego, California, US
Yes, her hands aren't in the frame and of course the top of her head. I still like the shot : P
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IMAGINERIES
Posts: 2048
New York, New York, US
![https://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/cusco4/pablocasal_zps699267e7.png]() I would consider this portrait rule breaking!
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1472
Posts: 1120
Pembroke Pines, Florida, US
A-M-P wrote:
I posted this same shot in a critic site and they all told me the composition was bad and wrong lol So I don't know really lol ah well I guess I didn't break any then lol hahaha
I have to be honest I never follow any compositional guidelines or rules. I just go with whatever I like in my viewfinder. Is odd that when I do try to follow it I feel constricted. Typically yes some rules have been broken but it is a nice photo.
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g2-new photographics
Posts: 2048
Boston, Massachusetts, US
Breaking rules is OK as long as you do know the rules!
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Nicely done . . . 
