Shon D.- Femme wrote:
I've hated Bill Cosby for some time now. From his internalized racism to his respectability politics. And now these rape accusations just further that hatred. He's garbage.

J O H N  A L L A N wrote:
All rightee then.

Yup.

Shon D.- Femme wrote:
I've hated Bill Cosby for some time now. From his internalized racism to his respectability politics. And now these rape accusations just further that hatred. He's garbage.

I can understand not liking someone because of their attitude about certain things or the politics they promote ... but it boggles my mind as to why a person wouldn't like someone because they got accused of something. People often get accused of things. Whether they did them or not is another story.

For instance, I almost got fired from a job for stealing money. There was certainly evidence that would lead a person to think I stole it but there was one final test to the theory: do the numbers add up? They did. If I had stolen all the money they thought I did, the numbers wouldn't have even been close. They were within the range of normal so I got to keep my job.

The manager/owner could've had it in for me because they thought I stole from them but there was no proof. They didn't need a forensic accountant to count the money in the drawer at the end of the night. It wouldn't have helped anyone if they had fired me and really they'd have only been hurting themselves.

In this case, though, I've never met Bill Cosby in person, may never meet him and have no stake in whether he did it, gets convicted of it or not or anything else. To hate him just because he got accused of something is mind boggling to me.

Shon D.- Femme wrote:
From his internalized racism to his respectability politics. And now these rape accusations just further that hatred. He's garbage.

What do you mean by his internalized racism?

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Bill Cosby was a civil rights pioneer. He's been a humanitarian and generous philanthropist for as long as I can remember.

People have been trying to shake him down and attack him with innuendo for as long as I can remember too.

Click Hamilton wrote:

What do you mean by his internalized racism?

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Bill Cosby was a civil rights pioneer. He's been a humanitarian and generous philanthropist for as long as I can remember.

People have been trying to shake him down and attack him with innuendo for as long as I can remember too.

You can get on your roof and shout that you want equality while simultaneously not being all that fond of ALL the people who you want equality for. Its possible to know and say that its morally right for people to be equal while still not actually seeing them that way yourself. You can resent the very people you fight for.

Laura UnBound wrote:

You can get on your roof and shout that you want equality while simultaneously not being all that fond of ALL the people who you want equality for. Its possible to know and say that its morally right for people to be equal while still not actually seeing them that way yourself. You can resent the very people you fight for.

You mean, he might actually apply some standards to who he is willing or interested in being friends with rather than calling them "brother" because they are the same color?

I have no comment about this accusation although I doubt that it will turn into anything of any consequence.

However, I do have an opinion about Bill Cosby, having met the man a few times and spoken with him.

My opinion of Bill Cosby is that he doesn't give a damn what color anyone is. He judges people based on their merits. If you are a criminal, he sees you as a criminal. If you are a hard-working person who tries to do good things, he sees you as that. And he responds to what he sees of the person, not the color of their skin.

There are some people (of all colors) who don't like that. They want to continue the divide based on the color of skin, and Bill Cosby and others like him are an obstacle to them.

Shon D.- Femme wrote:
I've hated Bill Cosby for some time now. From his internalized racism to his respectability politics. And now these rape accusations just further that hatred. He's garbage.

Lovely Day Media wrote:
I can understand not liking someone because of their attitude about certain things or the politics they promote ... but it boggles my mind as to why a person wouldn't like someone because they got accused of something. People often get accused of things. Whether they did them or not is another story.

I advocate for rape survivors, not rapists.

Shon D.- Femme wrote:
From his internalized racism to his respectability politics. And now these rape accusations just further that hatred. He's garbage.

Click Hamilton wrote:
What do you mean by his internalized racism?

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Bill Cosby was a civil rights pioneer. He's been a humanitarian and generous philanthropist for as long as I can remember.

People have been trying to shake him down and attack him with innuendo for as long as I can remember too.

I know Bill's resume. I meant what I said.

Click Hamilton wrote:

What do you mean by his internalized racism?

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Bill Cosby was a civil rights pioneer. He's been a humanitarian and generous philanthropist for as long as I can remember.

People have been trying to shake him down and attack him with innuendo for as long as I can remember too.

Its hard to reply to this without venturing into SB territory.   A favorite writer and social commentator explains it well:   http://www.blacknewsweekly.com/news428.html   Your points about Cosby are also correct and people can be complicated.

Tony Lawrence wrote:

Its hard to reply to this without venturing into SB territory.   A favorite writer and social commentator explains it well:   http://www.blacknewsweekly.com/news428.html   Your points about Cosby are also correct and people can be complicated.

That's why I didn't answer him directly. It's against the rules for some reason.

kickfight wrote:
It's like finding out your beloved grandpa has a secret room full of Nazi memorabilia

What's wrong with collecting Nazi memorabilia? It's a vibrant and pungent part of history.

During my travels, I found a silver trimmed Iron Cross in East Germany before the wall came down, and a lacquered dress cane with a hidden sword for self-defense on the way to the opera. The silver knob is embedded with the National Socialist Party insignia. The 30's were heady times in the entertainment industry.

I also have an SA dagger and sheath with the famous "Deutchland" jingle engraved on the blade in pretty pristine condition.

I know these things are banned on Ebay, but what should I do? Throw them away?

I also have an official medal that was given out to esteemed women for being patriotic by having lots of babies on behalf of the Fatherland.

Ditto for an original copy of Mein Kampf, and Mao's "Little Red Book"

I'm adamantly not a fan of Mao either, but that doesn't mean I want to burn his book that was so popular during the Cultural Revolution, including in our own turbulent 60's here.

On the other hand, maybe you are right. Maybe I'll open a bottle of wine some night and enjoy throwing this Little Red Book into the fireplace and watching it burn --- just because I can. Why not? It might feel good as some kind of perverse closure for what humans do to one-another.

I've been to Auschwitz and Birkenau in Poland and to the Killing Fields in Cambodia. It's mind-wobbling to say the least.

This original stuff can give us a first hand view into the sordid past of world history. Perhaps it will help us understand our sordid future.

There's an officers katana around somewhere too. BFD. I have at least a hundred pictures of the last Japanese Zero with an original engine flying around the Chino air show from several years in succession. That's a sight to behold.

I have fake after-market Zippo lighters from my visit to Vietnam engraved with soldier poetry, the likes of which you might see engraved in the grout lines of toilet stalls during that era.

I have a Koran from my stay in Iran. Some of the things it prescribes as a solution to social and religious ills are pretty rough. That may good for re-stoking the flames with a second bottle of wine after my LRB dies down to ash.

This stuff is potent first hand reminders of the crap that moves people en masse.

I have an Alf Landon coffee mug and maybe I can find a 1972 McGovern-Eagleton bumper sticker from before the public discovered that Eagleton was taking anti-psychotic medicine prescribed to his wife. That was a doozy, wasn't it? The other guy happens to be Governor of California again.


S-happens.  As members of the human race, we should know about these things.


PS - when I die, someone is going to have one hell of a garage sale. No doubt about that.

There are probably lots of juicy photos laying around too, that my family never knew about. Ha!

:shrug:

Life is real.

Al Lock Photography wrote:
You mean, he might actually apply some standards to who he is willing or interested in being friends with rather than calling them "brother" because they are the same color?

I have no comment about this accusation although I doubt that it will turn into anything of any consequence.

However, I do have an opinion about Bill Cosby, having met the man a few times and spoken with him.

My opinion of Bill Cosby is that he doesn't give a damn what color anyone is. He judges people based on their merits. If you are a criminal, he sees you as a criminal. If you are a hard-working person who tries to do good things, he sees you as that. And he responds to what he sees of the person, not the color of their skin.

There are some people (of all colors) who don't like that. They want to continue the divide based on the color of skin, and Bill Cosby and others like him are an obstacle to them.

I was thinking the same thing. Maybe he should have expressways and main roads in urban areas named after him for his "content of the character" campaign.

He always seemed pretty compassionate and magnanimous to me.

He has lifted the hearts of millions.

It was a sad and heart-wrenching day when his son was murdered on the side of the 405 freeway while changing his tire.

Shon D.- Homme wrote:
I know Bill's resume. I meant what I said.

Other than what is publicly available to me, I don't, so I appreciate your input.

I have to try to extrapolate to understand. It's not easy.

Tony Lawrence wrote:
Its hard to reply to this without venturing into SB territory.   A favorite writer and social commentator explains it well:   http://www.blacknewsweekly.com/news428.html   Your points about Cosby are also correct and people can be complicated.

Granted. Thanks.

Shon D.- Homme wrote:
I advocate for rape survivors, not rapists.

It is okay with me to advocate for rape survivors ... not that you need me to be okay with it. It's also okay to not advocate for rapists. That makes sense.

What doesn't make sense to me is the willingness to hate a person based on what someone has said without a shred of proof ... at least not yet.

If that's okay with you, we'll just have to disagree and move on but as they say ... whatever.

kickfight wrote:
It's like finding out your beloved grandpa has a secret room full of Nazi memorabilia

Click Hamilton wrote:
What's wrong with collecting Nazi memorabilia? It's a vibrant and pungent part of history.
<snipped for clarity>

Uh huh. Mmmmkay.

Click Hamilton wrote:
I have a Koran from my stay in Iran. Some of the things it prescribes as a solution to social and religious ills are pretty rough. That may good for re-stoking the flames with a second bottle of wine after my LRB dies down to ash.

Sounds vaguely familiar.

Click Hamilton wrote:
^ I like your pot shots and wit in favor of trendy political correctness, but if you consider the underlying behaviors you are contradicting yourself and fortifying my point.

This also makes total sense and is in no way incoherent at all.

Click Hamilton wrote:
Was that photo from your own private collection of absurdity mementos?

Tell us more about burning the Koran.

kickfight wrote:
This also makes total sense and is in no way incoherent at all.

Thanks. I know you're a smart guy and can easily grasp my meaning.

kickfight wrote:
Tell us more about burning the Koran.

Thanks, but no thanks. You can figure that out for yourself.

Shon D.- Homme wrote:

I advocate for rape survivors, not rapists.

What about the innocent ?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/2 … 48823.html
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local … 89741.html

Brooklyn Bridge Images wrote:

What about the innocent ?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/2 … 48823.html

One rape accusation? Sure. Could be made up. Maybe even 2.

13?  No. Sorry.  The likelihood that all of them are lying is spectacularly remote.

Where there's smoke there's fire.

Lovely Day Media wrote:

I can understand not liking someone because of their attitude about certain things or the politics they promote ... but it boggles my mind as to why a person wouldn't like someone because they got accused of something. People often get accused of things. Whether they did them or not is another story.

For instance, I almost got fired from a job for stealing money. There was certainly evidence that would lead a person to think I stole it but there was one final test to the theory: do the numbers add up? They did. If I had stolen all the money they thought I did, the numbers wouldn't have even been close. They were within the range of normal so I got to keep my job.

The manager/owner could've had it in for me because they thought I stole from them but there was no proof. They didn't need a forensic accountant to count the money in the drawer at the end of the night. It wouldn't have helped anyone if they had fired me and really they'd have only been hurting themselves.

In this case, though, I've never met Bill Cosby in person, may never meet him and have no stake in whether he did it, gets convicted of it or not or anything else. To hate him just because he got accused of something is mind boggling to me.

Some people are so full of hate and anger that they are just looking for an outlet.......like.......Bill Cosby

kickfight wrote:
This also makes total sense and is in no way incoherent at all.

Click Hamilton wrote:
Thanks. I know you're a smart guy and can easily grasp my meaning.

No thanks. But you can keep grasping at your own meaning if you'd like.

kickfight wrote:
Tell us more about burning the Koran.

Click Hamilton wrote:
Thanks, but no thanks. You can figure that out for yourself.

Not necessary, not my hobby.

Al Lock Photography wrote:

You mean, he might actually apply some standards to who he is willing or interested in being friends with rather than calling them "brother" because they are the same color?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internalized_racism

Start there.

No, his internalized racism isn't him just wanting to be buddies with people who aren't shitbags.

kickfight wrote:

kickfight wrote:
It's like finding out your beloved grandpa has a secret room full of Nazi memorabilia

Click Hamilton wrote:
What's wrong with collecting Nazi memorabilia? It's a vibrant and pungent part of history.
<snipped for clarity>

Uh huh. Mmmmkay.


Sounds vaguely familiar.

Kick, that post was so far beneath you it is difficult to believe you penned it.

Wye wrote:
One rape accusation? Sure. Could be made up. Maybe even 2.

13?  No. Sorry.  The likelihood that all of them are lying is spectacularly remote.

Where there's smoke there's fire.

And yet, I cannot find **one** that went to the police. They all seem to have gone to lawyers looking for the that big payday. You're right, where this is smoke, there is generally fire. Can you enlighten me please, because I can't find anything.

Lohkee wrote:
Kick, that post was so far beneath you it is difficult to believe you penned it.

That high horse you're riding there... it just took a dump.

Seriously, though... on a thread about Bill Cosby's rape allegations, someone somehow managed to bring up burning a Koran, which is weird on so many levels.

Shot By Adam wrote:
Having met Bill Cosby many times, I can say quite factually that the Bill Cosby you see on stage nowhere even comes close to resembling the Bill Cosby you see back stage. He puts on a very good act, that's for sure. When I heard of all these rape allegations it didn't surprise me one iota.

Still though, the evidence does need to be presented and he should be put on trial if a grand jury thinks the evidence is strong enough. If he is innocent of the charges, then he's innocent of the charges, and I have no problem with that. My gut tells me otherwise though.

This a civil case so no grand jury.   The level of proof is also lower.   Sometimes very rich and powerful people do take advantage of those less so.   What is confusing is several of his accusers returned to work with him and the alleged incidents happened again.   Not sure what that means.   Its difficult to discuss how this relates to his comments about the Black community without this turning into SB and they are two different things but some people seem to feel that the way he spoke about them was demeaning.   People can be complicated.   MLK was alleged to have had numerous affairs yet their is no denying he was a great leader.    His possible moral failings aside.

Wye wrote:

One rape accusation? Sure. Could be made up. Maybe even 2.

13?  No. Sorry.  The likelihood that all of them are lying is spectacularly remote.

Where there's smoke there's fire.

When this much $$$ is invoked (BC was richest guy in TV at one point no?)
I think a lot more than 13 people will try to blackmail/extort money from somebody
Not say thats whats going on, we dont know one way or the other but its certainly possible

Wye wrote:
The likelihood that all of them are lying is spectacularly remote.

Yup. The idea that all 13 of them (and possibly more) are lying implies either a conspiracy against Cosby (conspiracies being the exception rather than the rule) or amounts to a truly eyebrow-raising coincidence (that they would all independently decide to lie about Cosby).

So, yeah. It's a lot more likely that these allegations are neither conspiracy nor coincidence but an actual common experience.

John Photography wrote:
I'm sad..... So many people I loved growing up are total dicks in real life.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/postevery … -my-story/

12 women. #sadness