Davian J wrote:
Question for you models: Do you read castings descriptions or do you just scroll and reply to every one you see with a dollar sign attached. It seems to be a reoccurring theme for models who clearly don't shoot nudes reply to my nude castings. But that is not what upsets me really... it's the attitude some models get when you point out that it is a nude shoot.
"Oh I don't shoot nudes! Didn't you read my profile"
"No... no I didn't. You replied to my casting."
"Well you should have read my profile"
"No you should have read my casting!"
Like seriously, why does this continue to happen?

It's not something that has ever happened to me.  Yes, models, like photographers, make mistakes, but they've always been very apologetic when the mistakes have been pointed out.

Davian J wrote:
Like seriously, why does this continue to happen?

Because there's a heck of a lot of seriously stupid people in the world. That's the long and the short of it.

About a year or so ago I had a model email me with a travel notice, saying she was traveling to my city soon and would like to work with me when she was in town. It happened that I was looking to book a model right around that time for a project that required a nude. In the email she provided a link to her MM profile. So, I go and check it out, and she has the 'shoots nudes? Yes' indication set on her profile. So, I write her back with a description of the project I was looking to book for, and ask if she'd be interested. She writes back and says she doesn't do nudes. ?? So, I write back to her and inform her that she seems to have overlooked that she has her MM profile set to indicate that she does shoot nudes, and she might want to change it. She responds and tells me that she's aware of how it's set, but she seems to get more inquiries from photogs by having it set that way, so that's how she leaves it?!?!?

...but, aren't you just getting more inquiries regarding proposals you have no interest in? And, aren't you just wasting a bunch of people's time, including, for at least the most part, your own?

I.. uh.. don't understand... I can't even... huhwhat?

Davian J wrote:
Question for you models: Do you read castings descriptions or do you just scroll and reply to every one you see with a dollar sign attached. It seems to be a reoccurring theme for models who clearly don't shoot nudes reply to my nude castings. But that is not what upsets me really... it's the attitude some models get when you point out that it is a nude shoot.
"Oh I don't shoot nudes! Didn't you read my profile"
"No... no I didn't. You replied to my casting."
"Well you should have read my profile"
"No you should have read my casting!"
Like seriously, why does this continue to happen?

You answered your own question. Some "models" on here rarely read anything. They just carpet-bomb every new casting call in hopes of being chosen and if they get someone willing to book them, they read the casting call afterward. After all, why should they be bothered to actually read a casting call when they have busier things to do like chat about what TMZ said about the Kardashians on facebooktwitterinstagramsnapchat?

Deep Visions wrote:
Perhaps you should put something like "PLEASE READ ENTIRE CASTING BEFORE REPLYING" at the very beginning.

Like someone that doesn't read a casting call is going to read that.  Just need to accept that there are oblivions in the world.

Davian J wrote:
Like seriously, why does this continue to happen?

Because you're on MM.

Davian J wrote:
Like seriously, why does this continue to happen?

You really dont know ??
Or is this a rant and you have more windmills to take on ?

Davian J wrote:
Question for you models: Do you read castings descriptions or do you just scroll and reply to every one you see with a dollar sign attached. It seems to be a reoccurring theme for models who clearly don't shoot nudes reply to my nude castings. But that is not what upsets me really... it's the attitude some models get when you point out that it is a nude shoot.
"Oh I don't shoot nudes! Didn't you read my profile"
"No... no I didn't. You replied to my casting."
"Well you should have read my profile"
"No you should have read my casting!"
Like seriously, why does this continue to happen?

I looked at a casting you have open for a nude shoot and I noticed that it is a paid shoot.  A lot of models will reply simply because they saw that it says "paid".  They don't take the time to read the entire thing and check the requirements.  Always keep in mind that many of the people on this site are not professionals and they act accordingly.

There are also models that do nudes but have no nudes in their port and say "no nudes" in their profile.  I have had models like this respond to casting calls and when I asked them why they responded they said that they did not want it widely known that they did nudes and they preferred to pick who they would do nudes with rather than get a lot of requests from photographers they did not want to work with.

Deep Visions wrote:
Perhaps you should put something like "PLEASE READ ENTIRE CASTING BEFORE REPLYING" at the very beginning.

No way !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gerardo Martinez wrote:
Interested!

lol that's even worst... and that's about as much personality they bring to the shoot

Brooklyn Bridge Images wrote:
Observe the kind of response you get to MM casting
This links tells you all you need to know
https://www.modelmayhem.com/forums/post/52585/1

Too bad it was locked.  I'd jump in.

Rays Fine Art wrote:
FWIW, I generally use the first shoot as a "get acquainted" opportunity, one in which both the model and I are able to try out several concepts and see where we fit as a team and to determine if we want to go further in any particular direction, whether nude or clothed.  I rarely shoot just nudes on a first shoot.

Even so, I always make it clear in the casting or preliminary message whether or not I intend to shoot nudes and whenever possible, I engage the model in discussion about the shoot (In person if possible, but if not at least in PMs) before getting to the actual booking.  It takes a little time, but I find that it avoids a lot of misunderstandings later on.  Similarly, I never rely on what a model says in her profile. (It's an advertisement, after all) and as a result I've had "Paid Only" models shoot TF, "No Nudes" models shoot nudes, and models whose portfolios are mainly nudes turn down concepts because they were too risque or not sexy enough.

It's always best to rely on the assumption that "It's a lady's prerogative to change her mind."

All IMHO as always, of course.

This is the gospel.  It is all their choice and it is all about communication & comfort level in advance.  Better to know someone's limits and respect them, but you can't know unless you ask.  Not asking is always a "no."

As for them replying or counter-offering you something completely opposite of your casting... that's their prerogative.  It's you choice whether or not to entertain it.  If not, just move on.  It's not only MM... this happens professionally all the time as well.  Nothing personal... just move on until you find the right person to work with who is fine with your concept and also benefits from it.

Layla_B wrote:
It is a bit annoying and embarrassing XD.
Not only with nude-castings does it happen, but other concepts as well.
Recently, a casting call was added for my country with a title that said they were looking for dark skinned models (this wasn't repeated in the casting message itself though). Obviously, I didn't reply, because I am not dark-skinned, but I do read every casting call just out of interest.
Guess what color skin the models have who had replied? ...

Maybe you could respond to such castings with something like "I understand that I may not be what you are looking for for this project as I am light skinned, but please consider me for any other projects that you may have."

That would put you on his radar without coming off as an idiot who doesn't read.

Hunter  GWPB wrote:

Too bad it was locked.  I'd jump in.

It was from 2006.  If it wasn't a tongue in cheek posting in the first place, the film has long since either taken place or derailed due to lack of suckers, er, I mean actors.

All Yours Photography wrote:
It was from 2006.  If it wasn't a tongue in cheek posting in the first place, the film has long since either taken place or derailed due to lack of suckers, er, I mean actors.

I am aware.  It would be hundreds of pages long by now.  It would have remained a good instructional thread to this day.

Mike Alanine wrote:
Similarly, I don't understand a model posting a casting call saying "I don't shoot nudes or T&A" and then have a portfolio half-filled with nude images. SMH.

yes, I love that phrase "I don't do nudes" when obviously they have.................W

Davian J wrote:
Question for you models: Do you read castings descriptions or do you just scroll and reply to every one you see with a dollar sign attached. It seems to be a reoccurring theme for models who clearly don't shoot nudes reply to my nude castings. But that is not what upsets me really... it's the attitude some models get when you point out that it is a nude shoot.
"Oh I don't shoot nudes! Didn't you read my profile"
"No... no I didn't. You replied to my casting."
"Well you should have read my profile"
"No you should have read my casting!"
Like seriously, why does this continue to happen?

You'll be better off messaging models that have put up travel/availability notices

Many of their profiles state they don't shoot nude, but their availability notice says they do shoot nude, during the specific dates of the availability notice.

There are a couple reasons for this, one relevant one being that models can get a lot of stupid messages if they put that they shoot nude in their profile.

Deep Visions wrote:
Perhaps you should put something like "PLEASE READ ENTIRE CASTING BEFORE REPLYING" at the very beginning.

Perhaps you should not start a conversation by yelling at your counterpart...

TomFRohwer wrote:
Models with dozens of explicit nude pictures in their portfolio check "Nudes - NO". Models with "Nudes - NO" in their profile check "Nudes - YES" in travel notices. Ore vice versa. Models who check "NUDES - YES" in their profiles tell "I do not shoot nudes - don't even ask!!!" in their profile texts...

Our world is crowded with functional or complete illiterates and with people who cannot think straight ahead... So you better discuss and negotiate things explicitely case-by-case.

(And nevertheless probably one day a model will come up and tell you "My Grandma died last week - so I cannot shoot nudes now!"...)

Sorry but...

This is funny.

Figuremodel001 wrote:

Maybe they intend to be nude under the clothing involved. They think that's implied!

RockaShot wrote:
What is apparent with nude photography with models is that "Do you shoot nudes" is not a yes or no question. I contacted a model about doing a nudes shoot. She marked in her profile that she does shoot nudes. However she replied to my request by saying that she does not do nudes during her first shoot with a photographer.

I have contacted models with nude pics in their ports who say they are not presently doing nudes. I just say thanks anyway and move on.

I try to put myself in their shoes and imagine what it must be like to be a female meeting a strange guy for the first time and being naked in front of him while he takes photos. Most of us out here walk the fine line between pro and amateur, and we all need to be cut some slack now and then.

All in all there are many great models on MM, and I've never had a bad shoot with a MM model.

I find that if we can all excuse each other's occasional mistakes and inconsistencies, we'll all wind up with some great shots and lasting working relationships at the end of the day.

Well stated!

RockaShot wrote:
All in all there are many great models on MM, and I've never had a bad shoot with a MM model.

How many MM models have you worked with ?

barepixels wrote:
interested

LOL!